MH17: Pinpointing the precise location of the missile impact point

Ray Von Geezer

Senior Member
There's something else worth pointing out here, in their press conference the Russians posed two questions about MH17 apparently being diverted, with the seeming inference that it was deliberately diverted into an area of known risk (or perhaps even carrying out some sort of evasive manoeuvre):-

The ATC transcript shows that Ukrainian and Russian ATC were both aware of, and cooperating in managing, MH17's position and flight path, and the report says that there were no restrictions at the altitude MH17 was flying at.

The route diagram in the report shows MH17 hadn't changed direction in around 200Km. Russian ATC requests it to change course just prior to the event, but towards the south east, there's no mention of ATC or the flight recorder indicating another change of path. So was what Russian Radar saw diverting north actually the plane breaking up?

Ray Von
 

Ray Von Geezer

Senior Member
Is there some point of significance that being from the right or the left would prove?
I'm making no claims on that point. JustMe seems to think there is, I'm just pointing out that if he/she is saying the report indicates the impact was on the right, then I don't believe it does.

Ray Von
 

MikeC

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There is no "precise location of the impact point" - because the missile exploded BEFORE it hit the airliner - and every hole in the skin is A "precise location" of AN impact point of the subsequent shrapnel!
 

WeeBee

New Member
I think the title of this post is somewhat deluding. I was originally referring to the exact GPS coordinates of impact, not the impact locations on the airplane itself.
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
The ATC transcript shows that Ukrainian and Russian ATC were both aware of, and cooperating in managing, MH17's position and flight path, and the report says that there were no restrictions at the altitude MH17 was flying at.
From everything I've seen, this was just extremely routine. No-one knew there were (what do we call them? "Separatists"? "Militants"?) on the ground with a working missile launcher.

Also as has been discussed a great deal previously, there were a number of other regularly scheduled airliners that transited that basic area, on the various "Jet Airways"...a term used in the USA...or just "Upper Levels" in other regions... (or, "off-route" as it's called, when diverting for weather, or for the benefit of ATC to maintain adequate and safe traffic separation standards).
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
I was originally referring to the exact GPS coordinates of impact
What you seem to be asking is, the precise location of the airplane, relative to the ground, when the attacking missile exploded and thus "shot it down"?

This data will likely be forthcoming, in future. (From DFDR information....presuming it is intact, and not corrupted).
 

WeeBee

New Member
Yes. And of course this data can be used to extrapolate the possible location of the missile launcher or whatever it was.
 

UkrToday

New Member
The Initial JIT report said that the fragments had penetrated the top MH17 cockpit from above and there is also penetration below the cockpit window. Fragments trajectories or not travel at right angles unless there is two points of ignition. Has anyone done a laser trajectory analysis x/y/z (Front side and above) coordinates to pin point the direction and location of the explosion in relation to the plane? In theory they should all point to a single point, the point of explosion. I have tried finding such on the internet but there is none.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member
Depends what is meant by 'from above' and 'below the cockpit window', but it's easy to picture a spreading cone of impact hitting both.
 

UkrToday

New Member
Draw a circle that represents the nose of the cockpit and then draw us the angle and trajectory of penetration based on what we already know. 1st JIT report stated that the plane was penetrated from above the cockpit. Then there is penetration to the lower side of the cockpit and along the wing and fuselage. A cone or even a ball explosion would have a single point of detonation. Framents do not travel in right angles, unless it was a multiple star burst, which it is not.

Again a single laser trajectory analysis should determine the point of detonation(s). Why is it that no one has presented a sectional diagram showing the angle of attack from an x,y and z axises?
 
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MikeC

Closed Account
Why is it that no one has presented a sectional diagram showing the angle of attack from an x,y and z axises?
The accident investigators will not do so until they release their report - if they have done it.

The missile manufacturer looks to have done so as part of last week's announcement -



And animated it in the accompanying video, which doesn't appear to be on YT in its entirety - perhaps someone can find it.

However RT.com has uploaded their presentation of the announcement that has bits and pieces of it - starting from about 1 minute:

 

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