Low flying plane leaving trails that don't come from the engines [Fuel dump, Continental flight 009]

Dylmar

New Member
I just randomly came across this video on Facebook and was wondering what you guys made of it? The plane looks quite low and the trails being left behind it are not coming from the engines.

 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
Thanks Trigger Hippie, I just came to the same conclusion.

Yes, I'm quite familiar with this instance. It has been mis-used repeatedly on YT and FB as so-called "proof" of "chem"trails.

That was Continental flight 009, KEWR - RJAA (Newark-Tokyo) May 9, 2010.

The original YT video:

The audio link of the ATC communications (edited for brevity, to remove normal gaps between transmissions):
https://app.box.com/shared/3ccex1l5ki
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
The thread referenced just above is debunking a specific image that was put out by a particularly prolific "chem"trail hoax and myth
promoter called "TankerEnemy".

This is a bloke from Italy (it appears) who is attempting to flood the "chem"trail market in order to profit from the credulous and gullible.
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
I suppose it might be worth pointing out, here, that when it comes to fuel "dumping" (or jettison) capability, not every commercial airliner
has that ability.

You will find it usually only on the larger airplanes, generally if it's a wide-body (more than one aisle in the passenger cabin is a guide), then it is an airplane designed with a wider range of maximum takeoff weights compared to maximum landing weights (since these airplanes are designed for more long-haul flight segments, hence more fuel capacity).

Example, although the B757 and B767 share a common type rating for pilots, due to certain systems commonality, the B757 (single aisle, "narrow body") does not usually have a fuel jettison system installed. Although, it was an option for those purchasing it, when it was in active production.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
I suppose it might be worth pointing out, here, that when it comes to fuel "dumping" (or jettison) capability, not every commercial airliner
has that ability.

Yes, I remember a Jet Blue A320 that had the front gear stuck sideways here at LAX, they have to circle for hours burning fuel before they could land. The passengers watched the whole thing live on Direct-TV.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JetBlue_Airways_Flight_292
Video of passengers watching themselves (skip about 2 minutes in)
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
Yes, I remember a Jet Blue A320 that had the front gear stuck sideways here at LAX, they have to circle for hours burning fuel before they could land.

Yes. The A319/320/321 series cannot jettison fuel. They are all "narrow bodies". Same with the B737. My personal experience in a B757 once was an "OverHeat" caution in the bleed air system associated with the left engine. (This was not a "Fire Warning", which has a different procedure).

This required reducing the engine's thrust to idle, to see if the light went out. If the light did not extinguish (indicating that the temperature had been reduced to acceptable level), then the engine had to be shut-down. This occurred to us climbing through about 18,000 after departing KEWR, en-route to Bogata, Colombia. Since the weather at KEWR was low ceilings, and snow, I elected to divert to Washington Dulles (KIAD), which was clear.

Since we had a lot of fuel, and could not jettison, we made an "over-weight" landing, which was appropriate for the situation (with one of two engines shut-down). Didn't have the 'luxury' of holding in the air to burn off the weight.
 
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