Look-Up favours NLP in Chemtrail Awareness Campaign

[Balance]

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Guys I think we need to use more NLP for OUR cause. Can we please start using the following terms as often as possible, or please share this post.

Climate change HOAX

Chemtrail Deniers

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Is it just me or does anyone else find this concerning?

 

[George B]

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Guys I think we need to use more NLP for OUR cause. Can we please start using the following terms as often as possible, or please share this post.

Climate change HOAX

Chemtrail Deniers

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Is it just me or does anyone else find this concerning?

Interesting . . . Words are important . . . how they are used in and out of context . . . traditional definitions as well as evolving definitions . . . nothing is static, not even our language.

If debunkers are labeled . . . Chemtrail Deniers . . . how does it affect the debate? Is it an unfair term? I don't think we know?

Balance . . . what are your specific concerns?

 

[deirdre]

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Is it just me or does anyone else find this concerning?

it's just you

 

[Strawman]

It's amusing, because it puts their dishonesty right out in the open.

 

[Mick West]

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Guys I think we need to use more NLP for OUR cause. Can we please start using the following terms as often as possible, or please share this post.

Climate change HOAX

Chemtrail Deniers

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Is it just me or does anyone else find this concerning?

Well, it's nothing new. There are frequent calls not to use the term "chemtrail". However the original coining of the term "chemtrail" was itself a deliberate spin. The very early versions of the theory used the term "mystery contrail", but they felt it was too innocuous, so eventually came up with "chemtrail".

http://web.archive.org/web/20000815234743/http://www.trufax.org/research3/contrails.html

"Contrails" vs. Chemtrails From: Val Valerian, Leading Edge Research Group
Subject: Contrail vs Chemtrail
Date: 17 April 1999
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5. It is also a point that all everyone sees is a series of single chemical trails, not multiple trails as would be produced by the multi-engine aircraft observed, so it would seem that many of these "chem trails" might be coming from the rear of aircraft, not from engines, which again means they could never be "contrails". It is this kind of fact that became evident in the aircraft sightings in New Jersey. Photos of any kind, after the fact, would not make this fact immediately apparent, but the spacing of the trails is too wide to have come from engines, only from a singular source, probably the rear of aircraft. However, there have been sightings of material being sprayed from the wingtips, not the engines, as well, but the spacing of the trails we are seeing is greater than the wing length of most aircraft.

All things considered, it is my personal opinion that we ought to relabel things, get rid of the phrase "contrails", and replace it with something more accurate, like "biochem trails", "biochemical fog", etc. Now, if there start to be more websites out there that label this phenomena properly, for what it really is, people will probably begin to see this whole issue in a more accurate way. Those who try to deliberately confuse the issue with "contrails" are either doing so out of ignorance, it would seem, or because they are part of an agenda which seeks to continue the coverup about this activity. I intend to implement changes on our page relative to this issue. If we don't collectively work together on this aspect of the problem, the whole issue will become more analogous to unidentified aerial craft versus swamp gas, which means that the activity will continue and more people will be compromised. So, a semantic issue can destroy all investigative activities.

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[Mark Barrington]

OK, NLP is Neuro-Linguistic Programming. I don't think I've ever put much thought into the idea. I know that advocates like to control the language of the debate to use terms that are favorable to them, but I don't think it's always successful, and they can't control the terms anyone else uses. I guess it's such a familiar concept to the regular crew at Metabunk that if you use the TLA (three letter acronym) everyone knows what you mean.

 

[deirdre]

It's amusing, because it puts their dishonesty right out in the open.

ssshhh!

 

[Mark Barrington]

I also think the effort to use non-standard terminology isn't necessarily going to help their cause. It just will tend to marginalize them and make them look more 'out there' than they already are.

 

[Balance]

Balance . . . what are your specific concerns?

Fear of the unknown probably kicking in as I don't fully understand the implications of NLP but The Programming part mostly concerns me, I think. From the wiki, it does seem to be controversial.

 

[deirdre]

Fear of the unknown probably kicking in as I don't fully understand the implications of NLP but The Programming part mostly concerns me, I think. From the wiki, it does seem to be controversial.

it's just normal marketing. what the op is talking about.PR.

people like to use fancy sounding terms for things now a days.

 

[Balance]

it's just normal marketing. what the op is talking about.PR.

people like to use fancy sounding terms for things now a days.

Hmm. Having witnessed the resultant zombies consuming rabidly, making (dis)informed decisions, etc that's what worries me.

I have seen Idiocrsy, the documentary

It's got electrulites

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[Jaysummer]

Hey I know, everyone refer to it as geoengineering. Plain and simple, no fancy terms.

 

[deirdre]

Hey I know, everyone refer to it as geoengineering. Plain and simple, no fancy terms.

nlp is the fancy term

 

[WeedWhacker]

Oh no!!! "NLP"

For "Look Up" as an organization, the acronym might more aptly be "No Logical Prognosis". (2nd alternative, "No Logical Premise").

 

[JRBids]

I also think the effort to use non-standard terminology isn't necessarily going to help their cause. It just will tend to marginalize them and make them look more 'out there' than they already are.

IT's apparent the reason they do not want to use the term chemtrail is because it's obvious no one has proved there are any chemicals being sprayed. That's why they use geoengineering. It can be found in many documents and many discussions.

 

[Balance]

I know it's speculation, but I think it's more to do with the popularity/acceptance of the term 'Climate Change Deniers' which has naturally gathered traction.

Using NLP, in the words of look-up

is very powerful as a manipulation tool.

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and by association, is hoping to increase support without doing the work - polarisation? It will also likely create an immediately hostile mind-set against any opposition, regardless how that opposition is presented.

 

[deirdre]

I know it's speculation, but I think it's more to do with the popularity/acceptance of the term 'Climate Change Deniers' which has naturally gathered traction.

Using NLP, in the words of look-up

is very powerful as a manipulation tool.

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and by association, is hoping to increase support without doing the work - polarisation? It will also likely create an immediately hostile mind-set against any opposition, regardless how that opposition is presented.

yup. only draw back is they need the word Chemtrail to pull it off!

 

[Ross Marsden]

The verb "deny", defined as it is to "state that one refuses to admit the truth or existence of", brings with it the conscious intent to hide something known by the actor to be true.

This move (described in the OP) is a skillful use of language, and I'm not sure how to counter it.

 

[deirdre]

The verb "deny", defined as it is to "state that one refuses to admit the truth or existence of", brings with it the conscious intent to hide something known by the actor to be true.

This move (described in the OP) is a skillful use of language, and I'm not sure how to counter it.

I wouldn't counter it. I would promote it. they are desperately trying to move away from the chemtrail tag. let's stick them with it.

 

[Balance]

I guess the saving grace could be that he/she/they has openly admitting to trying to....

manipulate
məˈnɪpjʊleɪt/

1. 1.
   handle or control (a tool, mechanism, information, etc.) in a skilful manner.
   "he manipulated the dials of the set"
   
2. 2.
   1. control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly or unscrupulously."the masses were deceived and manipulated by a tiny group"

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And as this is intended through the use of NLP, one might say it's Psychological manipulation

Psychological manipulation is a type of social influence that aims to change the perception or behavior of others through underhanded, deceptive, or even abusive tactics.[1]

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[David Fraser]

Fear of the unknown probably kicking in as I don't fully understand the implications of NLP but The Programming part mostly concerns me, I think. From the wiki, it does seem to be controversial.

Look up appears to have no understanding of NLP. While the use of language is important so it is important to have something internally to associate it with. If used in a clinical setting it is used as an aspect of hypnotherapy.

There is very little, if not no, empirical evidence on it working https://www.kcl.ac.uk/nursing/newsevents/news/2012/Little-evidence-for-NLP-in-Healthcare.aspx but its proponents defend it to the hilt. When training as a counsellor I stayed well clear and most academic institutions don't teach it anyway.

 

[mrfintoil]

Look up appears to have no understanding of NLP. While the use of language is important so it is important to have something internally to associate it with. If used in a clinical setting it is used as an aspect of hypnotherapy.

There is very little, if not no, empirical evidence on it working https://www.kcl.ac.uk/nursing/newsevents/news/2012/Little-evidence-for-NLP-in-Healthcare.aspx but its proponents defend it to the hilt. When training as a counsellor I stayed well clear and most academic institutions don't teach it anyway.

I think it's more about them wanting to manifest their opinion in simple words more than actual mental manipulation.
It's like when 911 debunkers call followers of the truth movement "truthers", the truthers call the debunkers "falsers" in return.
Some use the derogatory term "chem-tards" to emphasize the perceived stupidity involved in "chemtrail" belief.

So I think it's less about actual NLP and more about putting emotions and attitudes into simple words to easier present your disposition in the community. No matter what subject we tend to like creating portmanteau words, macro expressions and idioms all the time because it is convenient and fun. I would not worry too much about this

 

[JRBids]

I think it's more about them wanting to manifest their opinion in simple words more than actual mental manipulation.
It's like when 911 debunkers call followers of the truth movement "truthers", the truthers call the debunkers "falsers" in return.
Some use the derogatory term "chem-tards" to emphasize the perceived stupidity involved in "chemtrail" belief.

So I think it's less about actual NLP and more about putting emotions and attitudes into simple words to easier present your disposition in the community. No matter what subject we tend to like creating portmanteau words, macro expressions and idioms all the time because it is convenient and fun. I would not worry too much about this

I agree, it's just a spin .. To you're examples I'll add "pro-life". The movement to re-criminalize abortion used to be call "anti" abortion till they realized "prolife" sounded much better and made it sound positive..

 

[David Fraser]

I notice the Government petition Look Up has online is not exactly snowballing. http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/58686 575 have signed it so far but he does need 100,000. He has achieved in 6 weeks what he should be getting per day. Given that he paid to promote his posts on FB he must be disappointed. I would be interested to see what it achieves. I think this does show that the movement is not as extensive as we are lead to believe and certainly is not approaching critical mass.

 

[Pete Tar]

There is very little, if not no, empirical evidence on it working

It seems to me plausible it has an effect as there is a conscious intent to use it in a certain way, as an act of will it would work to change behaviour. Isn't it just a form of cognitive behavioural therapy?

 

[David Fraser]

It seems to me plausible it has an effect as there is a conscious intent to use it in a certain way, as an act of will it would work to change behaviour. Isn't it just a form of cognitive behavioural therapy?

In therapeutic terms it is similar to CBT in that it is a solution based therapy, however I would say NLP is more like Gestalt. CBT looks at a behaviour but without the need to address the causative factors unlike NLP. Unfortunately a therapy like NLP is very subjective and like many others hard to gather empirical evidence.

 

[Balance]

I guess if you want to learn to manipulate other people's thoughts, you need to start slow and easy but, really?
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And guess what children. Did you know that the Cloud Appreciation Society is run by MI5 as well.. Yes it's true.

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[deirdre]

I guess if you want to learn to manipulate other people's thoughts, you need to start slow and easy but, really?
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/...3741841.1410029482561123&type=1&stream_ref=10

And guess what children. Did you know that the Cloud Appreciation Society is run by MI5 as well.. Yes it's true.

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I noticed he didnt name the clouds. talk about giving up a fun opportunity!