JD Vance Says UFOs Are Actually Demons

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The vice president of the richest and most powerful country in the world:

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JD Vance Says UFOs Are Actually Demons


"I think that one of the Devil's great tricks is to convince people he never existed."
(Title of my thread is a direct copy/paste of the article's title. I am not editorializing.) This is a fair way to summarize his beliefs. I thought it was going to be a clickbait title. From the article:

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But the discussion got weird, as Vance volunteered unprompted that he doesn't think they're aliens, insisting that he "thinks their demons, anyway."

"I think that celestial beings who fly around to do weird things to people… I think that the desire to describe everything celestial, everything is otherworldly to described as aliens…" Vance said winding up.
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"I mean, every great world religion including Christianity, the one that I believe in, has understood that there are weird things out there and there are things that are very difficult to explain," said Vance. "And I naturally go, when I hear about sort of extra-natural phenomenon, that's where I go to is the Christian understanding that, you know, there's a lot of good out there, but there's also some evil out there."
Literally the man who is second in charge of the USA.
 
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I actually remember Elizondo making the claim several years ago but in regards to very high level members of the US armed forces.

The concept goes back to 2010 according to Wikipedia. Maybe that's where Elizondo got it from as well.

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Final Events: Demonic UFOs, Alien Abductions, the Government, and the Afterlife is a 2010 pseudohistory book by Nick Redfern.[1] The book originated tales of the "Collins Elite", an alleged group of US high-level policymakers who believe UFOs are demonic rather than extraterrestrial.[2]: x ​ In the text, the author is explicit that the contents are not demonstrably factual.[2]: x​
 
In case this sounds far-fetched:
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Fact Check: True, Vance did make the statement

The online claim that JD Vance said aliens are demons during his interview with Benny Johnson is true. Clips from the interview show Vance making the alleged statement.

The VP said during the interview, "I don't think they're aliens, I think they're demons anyway, but that's a long discussion", as Johnson told Vance
https://news.meaww.com/fact-check-did-jd-vance-say-aliens-are-demons-while-talking-about-uf-os
 
I also just saw in the comments that the person interviewing him has previously been "duped" to do covert work for Russia. He should get a bonus for this one - that's a very creative way for the US to embarrass ourselves.

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How Russian operatives covertly hired U.S. influencers to create viral videos


Tenet publicly launched in November 2023 with six contributors well-known in right-wing media, including Benny Johnson, Tim Pool, David Rubin and Lauren Southern. The videos they create for Tenet regularly cover conservative staples including "migrant gangs," transgender people, online censorship and attacks on Vice President Harris and President Biden.
 
This is the original source:


Source: https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/2037611400223179189


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If UFOs are demons then what is disclosure?
Closure of the sixth to ninth circles of hell, if you believe Dante. Presumably someone's made a private booking for a party there.

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Punished within Dis are those whose lives were marked by active-willed and obdurate, rather than venial sins:[15] heretics, murderers, suicides, blasphemers, usurers, sodomites, panderers, seducers, flatterers, simoniacs, false prophets, barrators, hypocrites, thieves, fraudulent advisors, sowers of discord, falsifiers, and traitors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dis_(Divine_Comedy)

I think we can work out the party.
 
DIS-closure is obviously the opposite of closure...
Hmmm, written that way, it calls to mind:
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In Dante Alighieri's The Divine Comedy, the City of Dis (Italian: Dite Italian pronunciation: [ˈdiːte]) encompasses the sixth through the ninth circles of Hell.

Moated by the river Styx, the fortified city encloses the whole of Lower or Nether Hell.
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Punished within Dis are those whose lives were marked by active-willed and obdurate, rather than venial sins: heretics, murderers, suicides, blasphemers, usurers, sodomites, panderers, seducers, flatterers, simoniacs, false prophets, barrators, hypocrites, thieves, fraudulent advisors, sowers of discord, falsifiers, and traitors.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dis_(Divine_Comedy)

How many of our friends over in Big UFO might be among the fraudulent advisors and false prophets I'll let pass without further comment.
 
The odds of Vance's demons being demonstrated to be supernatural beings from a particular religious tradition must be low.

Many reported UFOs have been misidentifications. Whether it is sensible for a senior government figure to suggest that UFOs might be malevolent spiritual entities (a class of being not demonstrated to exist outside of some religious teachings, some folklore and superstition), such that people who see a UFO think they might have witnessed such a being, is an interesting question.
Belief in literal demons and demonic possession has sometimes had unpleasant consequences for those believed to be afflicted by or in league with a demon. I'm broadly sceptical of claims of any good done by deliverance ministries (while accepting that sometimes some people might be reassured by the sympathetic actions of a cleric, although I doubt direct divine intervention plays a part).

We can probably agree that demons as described in the Bible are a Bad Thing.
The Vice President of the United States of America believes that they might be witnessed in the skies over his nation.
It seems that UFO sightings might be more common in the USA than elsewhere (although this isn't at all certain, discussed elsewhere on MB).

Vance's apparent claim that demons have an independent, objective existence and might be witnessed by numbers of people (as opposed to perhaps being subjective, personally experienced phenomena) raises more questions:

(1) Does denial of the demonic nature of UFOs by many believers and sceptics make it easier for the demons to go about their wickedness?
It must be unlikely that Vance, suspecting the presence of demons, wants them to do their diabolical work unopposed. Is more public education about the demonic menace needed? Should the federal government fund this?

(2) If demons are more common over the USA, what is to be made of this? Perhaps America's goodness means it requires more attention from demons than other states. The Iranian government had a strong line in identifying manifestations of evil, but unfortunately its advice might be difficult to acquire at present.

(3) Some well-known UFO reports involve witnesses who are adamant that they have seen mechanical flying craft. Are these craft flown by demons, or are the demons themselves (e.g.) saucer-shaped? If the former, do the craft have a discrete physical existence, or are they built of some sort of supernatural material?

(4) Should HHS be recommending a visit by an exorcist if someone claims to have been abducted by aliens? -Other than deliverance ministries, we have precious few tools in our armoury against demons and in these cases the faith of the abductee might need reinforcement, as it has not prevented their abduction in the first place.

(5) Has the number of demons over the US increased or decreased over time? This is clearly an important metric. Has the Trump-Vance administration made any serious effort to establish these numbers? Has the number of demons increased during this administration?

(6) The FAA and AARO do not appear to have published any advice about the prevalence of demons or the risks they might incur to aircraft.
Perhaps this is an issue where Vance can hold complacent federal employees to account and make a difference where it matters.
I have limited confidence in Americans for Safe Aerospace in this regard; Demons do bad things, they might do bad things to aircraft*, but AfSA have published little about how aircrew and passengers might protect themselves. AfSA's inaction in this realm- about a problem identified by the Vice President himself- might be troubling.


*Perhaps gremlins, a particular problem for RAF/ Commonwealth airmen in WW2, were perhaps a different phenomena and not demons per se
(Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremlin). A possible connection between their name and a then-popular beer (Fremlins) has been noted.
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There was also the case of "The Nightmare at 20,000 Feet" reconstructed by The Twilight Zone, 1963. ;)
 
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Vance is not the only one who has said things like this. There was a retired US military office who in the last few years said something very similar but I'm having trouble locating the quote now.

But Matt Lohmeier, current undersecretary of the US Air Force (2nd in command of the USAF), has talked previously about his experience with UFOs he believed were sentient spiritual entities and which could be something like angels or resurrected spirits.

He cites a book he found influential, 'A New Science of Heaven' by Robert Temple, which was published in November 2023, which goes into speculative plasma theories that Lohmeier is a fan of and speculates could be a manner for non-corporeal entities to make themselves appear to us mortals.

From the synopsis from amazon[dot]com:
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Other revelations not previously known outside narrow academic disciplines include the evidence that in certain circumstances plasma exhibits features that suggest they may be in some sense alive: clouds of plasma have evolved double helixes, banks of cells and crystals, filaments and junctions which could control the flow of electric currents, thus generating an intelligence similar to machine intelligence. We may, in fact, have been looking for signs of extra-terrestrial life in the wrong place.
Worth noting that he appeared on this podcast on January 3, 2025 while he was not an active member of the US military. He was formerly a US Space Force commander but was fired in 2021 after publishing an inflammatory culture-war book in 2020 about an alleged Marxist takeover of the US military and going on an inflammatory podcast tour to promote it. He was appointed by Trump to be USAF undersecretary in July 2025, after all this took place and was widely known publicly. Lohmeier is also a member of a Mormon offshoot group that is seen as heretical by the LDS church, as it follows the teachings of a latter self-proclaimed prophet that the LDS rejects.

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Source: https://youtu.be/f9D1Xg3-wpk?t=3690
 
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