Italian chemtrail champion, Mr Marcianò aka TankerEnemy

cmnit

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A very active Italian chemtrail "theorist" and activist is Rosario Marcianò, know online as TankerEnemy.
He has a Facebook page, a YouTube channel and a Twitter account with this name.
His site tankerenemy.com hosts a forum with comments from registered guests only (due to heavy flame wars with debunkers in the past) and has an English mirror (tankerenemy.blogspot.it).

Some of the raw material comes from external sources, US or otherwise, with translations of "classics" such as Clifford Carnicom for example, but lots of photos, videos, flight altitude "measurements", flight traffic "investigations" are locally produced in Italy by chemtrail enthusiasts linked to TankerEnemy.

I hope to have the time to report here some of the original stuff.
 

Rico

Senior Member.
Ah yes, TankerEnemy is quite well known here as some of his stuff has been explored before.

In any case, welcome!
 

cmnit

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The guy lives in the nice town of Sanremo, Liguria (close to Genoa to the East, French Riviera to the West). Home of an (in)famous TV song contest.

His last mumble jumble involves the "measurement" of contrail temperature using an IR thermocamera device, FLIR E8 series. One of his followers, "Ferro809", took the original video. Then he produced a blog post (in Italian) last Aug 8th.

Needless to say, he was debunked twice (here and here, sorry for the Italian), but he keeps going ...

In essence, IR thermocameras measure the temperature by means of IR emissivity which must be converted appropriately under several assumptions and calibrations. This specific model is designed to be used for solid bodies distant a few meters. The "measurements" are a weighted integral of the temperature of an air column impinging on the device, mostly coming from the air nearby since emission is way larger for it.

BTW, the FLIR manual is a concise but very informative intro on the history and principles of thermography.
 

cmnit

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Of course not! "Ferro809" simply pointed the camera from the ground to the sky above :)
Furthermore, they confuse the in-device laser ranging with the ranging capability of the Temp reading ...
 

cmnit

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Breaking news: Tanker Enemy "Committee" announced the availability of "the first Italian professional video on chemtrails and covert geoengineering".
It is delivered either as a full HD DVD or as a YouTube video.
Titled "Chemtrails: The Secret War", YT link here:

http://www.donotlink.com/baer


It is approx 1 hour long, I still have to watch it so that I can summarize the content here.
 
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WeedWhacker

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I still have to watch it so that I can summarize the content here.

Looking forward to it.

I'm predicting more of the "same-ole, same-ole" from "TankerEnemy" though. Already de-bunked pablum.

Perhaps Mr. Marciano's "donations" at his website have dwindled, and he is trying to "pump up" business?
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
Remember we should try to just look at his claims with facts and analysis and keep our personal impressions out of it. Ridicule creeps in easily and shifts focus off the facts.
 

cmnit

Member
I'm so sorry for my previous message. I should have substantiated my assertions with factual proofs.
In this specific case, I could produce some hints regarding this using evidence accumulated by other Italian people, but it would take a while and it would not be appropriate or useful anyway, since this forum is focused on specific claims not name-calling - which is great in my opinion.
 

cmnit

Member
I came across a post (both in Italian and in English) by TankerEnemy allegedly describing a fraud regarding the old meteorology book "Clouds of the world" put together by Mick West on contrailscience.com:
http://tankerenemy.blogspot.com/2009/01/contrailsciencecom-fake-books.html

Since it is an old post (2009) maybe it has been already discussed here, maybe not.
Honestly I guess this is a weird move from TankerEnemy group, but I would love to hear your comments here.
 
J

Joe

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I came across a post (both in Italian and in English) by TankerEnemy allegedly describing a fraud regarding the old meteorology book "Clouds of the world" put together by Mick West on contrailscience.com:
http://tankerenemy.blogspot.com/2009/01/contrailsciencecom-fake-books.html

Since it is an old post (2009) maybe it has been already discussed here, maybe not.
Honestly I guess this is a weird move from TankerEnemy group, but I would love to hear your comments here.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/de...dy-of-70-years-of-books-on-clouds.3201/page-2 covered already .POST #57
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
by TankerEnemy allegedly describing a fraud regarding the old meteorology book

Yes, a typical modus operandi of all the "chem"trail frauds and hoax pushers whenever actual evidence is presented to them that disputes and disproves their claims.
 

cmnit

Member
His last mumble jumble involves the "measurement" of contrail temperature using an IR thermocamera device, FLIR E8 series. One of his followers, "Ferro809", took the original video. Then he produced a blog post (in Italian) last Aug 8th.

Needless to say, he was debunked twice (here and here, sorry for the Italian), but he keeps going ...

In essence, IR thermocameras measure the temperature by means of IR emissivity which must be converted appropriately under several assumptions and calibrations. This specific model is designed to be used for solid bodies distant a few meters. The "measurements" are a weighted integral of the temperature of an air column impinging on the device, mostly coming from the air nearby since emission is way larger for it.

BTW, the FLIR manual is a concise but very informative intro on the history and principles of thermography.

Of course not! "Ferro809" simply pointed the camera from the ground to the sky above :)
Furthermore, they confuse the in-device laser ranging with the ranging capability of the Temp reading ...

wrt cloud temperature estimate from IR measurements, I am preparing a blogpost in Italian, but I think it would be worthwhile to mention here that there are excellent sources to explain how it can be done properly even using the standard commercial IR thermographic cameras like the Flir E8, which works in the 8-14 μm IR band.

First of all, a great high school students activity about this task is included in the NASA outreach site:
http://mynasadata.larc.nasa.gov/804-2/1035-2/

Then, some published papers describe in detail how to map the temperature reads to actual temperatures:

Stephen Smith and Ralf Toumi, 2008:
Measuring Cloud Cover and Brightness Temperature with a Ground-Based Thermal Infrared Camera.
J. Appl. Meteor. Climatol., 47, 683–693.
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/2007JAMC1615.1

and also this one (even though the sensor looks at 10 μm only in this case):

Riordan, D., R. Clay, A. Maghrabi, B. Dawson, R. Pace, and N. Wild (2005),
Cloud base temperature measurements using a simple longwave infrared cloud detection system,
J. Geophys. Res., 110, D03207
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2004JD005390/full

BTW, if you watched the chemtrailists video, you will notice that the temperature readings from the contrail are sensibly cooler than the (quick) reading from a cumulus. Of course, both are quite warmer readings compared to open sky.
I guess that with the proper corrections one could get a perfectly normal temperature for the contrail (honestly I did not embarked on the calculation myself).
 
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