That was very interesting. He seems like such a sensible chap now that it's hard to imagine he used to be so hard-core. But there's videos of that too.
The meeting with WAC Manchester reminded me of Scientology. Cult-like behavior.
IMO, he's in it for the money. Got made redundant, set out to be popular on yt... rehearsed and finessed it like the salesman he already was... now he's switched to the bigger money.So suddenly I find myself being made redundant and getting a four grand pay-out and basically being told to piss off – which was great. It was over. That’s when I bought a camera and a megaphone and started doing the Love Police stuff.
If I hadn’t lost my job, I don’t know if I would have been able to make that leap. I’d like to think I would have jumped ship at some stage but it’s hard to say.
Who is paying him now? And what are they paying him to do?
I'll research it for you Mick.
In the meantime, he has a history of 'popping up in front of cameras'. Coincidence... of all the witnesses... he is the one to tell it. It also appears he tells it very much in the police's favour which it was proven to complete BS later on.
Here is Veitch's complete fabrication, 'as an upright city trader'.
This is really what happened.
Sounds like he was describing Tomlinson's second collapse, not when the police pushed him.
Veitch has obviously changed a lot over the years. But people often do.
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[SIZE=+1]"The Israelis maintain this was simply a case of mistaken identity, but this clearly does not hold water," said Moorer, who was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack. "In clear visibility, this unique ship was very easy to identify.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"The Israeli forces circled the ship and then proceeded to attack over an extended period of time. There is Simply no way the fighter pilots and torpedo boat crews could have come to such a conclusion," he said.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Moorer, a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, joined a dozen surviving crew members of the USS Liberty at a seminar during the annual convention of the AmericanArab AntiDiscrimination Committee in Washington.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The U.S. 6th Fleet, positioned nearby, received a distress call from the Liberty, and one carrier dispatched a squadron to search for the disabled ship. Before the ship was found, the fleet received orders from Washington ordering the planes back. Moorer called on Congress to, once and for all clear up the uncertainties, speculation and unanswered questions surrounding this tragedy, which is still thought by many to be a deliberate coverup on the part of the government of Israel as well as the government of the United States.[/SIZE]
He changes by the day.
1.15... (With extreme incredulity) "These people actually believe that the American Government wiped out it's own people ..."
Erm,that's not Veich talking, and nor is most of that video. So what's your point.
Yes, he changed his mind about 9/11 being a controlled demolition. He did this after examining the evidence and talking to experts.
No I thought you would appreciate AJ debunking the USS Liberty crap. Very calm, very rational... good job eh? I would suggest starting a thread but that's not really still in dispute is it?
This is on topic as it pertains to Veitch's bona fide.
I couldn't help but notice the nearly verbatim account of this policeman and Veitch's account. Both of which appear to be entirely false. This video shows how protesters came to Tomlinson's aid (1.40), after his collapse and there was no trouble there at all.
But that just shows a few seconds after the collapse, before the police arrived. So it does not really contradict either account. Again, I think Veitch is describing what he saw in the second collapse - and at the time he was a young banker with somewhat different views about the world, and hence different perceptions of the events.
And there was some indication of trouble later - police standing around his body surrounded by large crowd.
Ok Tomlinson was an alcoholic but anyone can see he was posing no threat to anyone and went out of his way to avoid conflict.PC Simon Harwood, the police officer cleared of killing newspaper vendor Ian Tomlinson during the G20 riots, has been sacked after being found guilty of gross misconduct by a disciplinary panel.
PC Harwood struck Mr Tomlinson as the newspaper vendor was making his way home from work.
The father of nine, who was an alcoholic and had slept rough for a number of years, managed to walk 75 yards before he collapsed and later died from internal bleeding.
You can't really tell from the overhead video either way. However it does not seems entirely unreasonable that if a crowd had just seen the police be violent towards a guy, who then collapsed, maybe dead, then there might be little anger? One or two people throwing something?The allegations about the protesters, where is the evidence.... you seriously expect people to believe that in this surveillance culture where they have pictures of what is up your nose... they cannot back up the claims about protesters with footage. Facepalm
Veitch evidence, (Tomlinson)... 'He was heavily tattooed, in his 50's smelled heavily of drink as if he had been drinking all day, eyes wide like he was on drugs...
(police)... 'I came along at 6.30 last night... the police seemed to be acting very professionally, there was no overkill, no beatings and the only reason this gentleman collapsed, is because the police ran forward, maybe 20 mtrs at a time and then he ran off as well and I saw him collapse and smash his head'.
You can't really tell from the overhead video either way. However it does not seems entirely unreasonable that if a crowd had just seen the police be violent towards a guy, who then collapsed, maybe dead, then there might be little anger? One or two people throwing something?
Anyway that's from the police account, not really relevant to Veitch.
All of which was more or less accurate (he was a 47 year old alcoholic with lots of tattoos who had been drinking heavily), it just seems rather mean, elitist, like a rich banker looking down on the dirty peasants.
I'm not defending the actions of the police at all. It seems very apparent it was an unreasonable use of force, and that the police tried to wiggle out of responsibility.
Veigh's account does come across as someone who is on the side of the police. But it also seems broadly accurate, assuming he's taking about Tomlinson's final collapse, not the initial push.
He talks about it here, but is mostly ranting rambling about his own situation and all the haters, and not so much about Tomlinson for the first 12 minutes. Skip to 12:50 for his account.
Seems like the guy just talks from the top of his head. Anything to get behind a camera and microphone. The poor guy sounds mentally ill and others allege he's a sex pervert. But, even with videos like this, he's getting the attention he craves.
So you think there and for the initial truther stuff he was just doing it for the limelight, then later he got paid to switch to the other side? Or you think he's just flighty?
And why quote the stuff about "mentally ill ... sex pervert"?
Seems like the guy just talks from the top of his head. Anything to get behind a camera and microphone. The poor guy sounds mentally ill . But, even with videos like this, he's getting the attention he craves