Fukushima Radiation hitting the US/West Coast

jimothy

New Member
“Very high concentrations” of hot particles in Pacific NW during April, May — Includes plutonium and americium


Hot particles have made their way across the Pacific, and at least the data for the Pacific NW indicates very high concentrations, the average person in Tokyo breathed about 10 hot particles a day, and the average person in Seattle breathed in 6.

http://environmentalarmageddon.word...er-causing-hot-particles-detected-in-seattle/

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4503


This is probably the wrong forum to be posting this on, and probably even the wrong section of the forum, but I want to see what you guys think about it. I apologize if I'm posting in the wrong place; I'm just too tired to give a shit, and for that I am deeply sorry. There are a few conspiracies (maybe dozens?) being formed around this event, and I'm not sure what to believe. I'm not one to usually buy into conspiracies... unless I'm stoned off my ass (which I'm not!)... but the silence surrounding this event and its aftermath is a bit unsettling.

To be honest, I've really been freaking out about this lately... I live in Seattle, and so does a lot of my family! My older cat, who was like a brother to me (unnecessary statement, I know), died recently of a saddle thrombus and heart/kidney failure, shortly after developing hyperthyroidism. He seemed pretty damn healthy in March/April...! I honestly believe the radiation could've killed him, or at least sped up his death. Is there a real threat to be worried about?
connectingdots on YouTube is very convincing... http://www.youtube.com/user/connectingdots1

I'm going to start taking certain vitamins/supplements just in case, but I'm wishing I'd paid more attention to it earlier on if there really is a significant amount of radiation landing here. One article I read said that most radiation will fall into the ocean, but people on certain sites say otherwise and believe it's the beginning of the end of the world!

I'll link to some of the conspiracies later... too tired to look for them now. Luckily I had those links above all lined up in an e-mail I was sending, so my laziness didn't prevent me from doing something "productive".
The most 'plausible' theory is that it's some kind of depopulation scheme or something... fuck I don't know... I'm allergic to insanity and have adverse reactions after reading about that stuff for too long. There does seem to be a lot of evidence regarding radiation on the west coast, though... and why would the government stay silent about it if it really is as bad as people say? Unless the government is telling the truth, and everything is OK... ?! :confused::(

I did a search here and someone said they felt safe drinking the milk, because the radiation levels were miniscule. Are you (that person) still comfortable with the current radiation levels?

I was actually just heading to bed when I found this site (after reading about chemtrails on contrailscience.com) I just wanted to post this real quick, and then get my sanity-sleep. I'm hoping I can see some replies when I wake up later! :)I like that all of you aren't crazy conspiracy theorists, and figured this was probably one of the better places to ask.

Thanks!


p.s. I'll post this on another site if this is the wrong place.
 

Mick West

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Staff member
Seems a bit vague at the moment. Compare with Chernobyl. Was there a worldwide increase in cancer deaths from Chernobyl hot particles?
Also consider all the above-ground nuclear bombs. Also with no effect.

I would recommend reading the entire thread at Berkely::

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4503
 

solrey

Senior Member.
First time posting here after lurking for a while. I live on the west coast in Corvallis, OR, happened to be visiting Seattle when the quake hit Japan, and have been keeping a close watch on the situation, especially radiation concerns on the west coast. We have a big garden and we're sure the food from it is totally safe if that tells you anything.

To be honest, I've really been freaking out about this lately... I live in Seattle, and so does a lot of my family! My older cat, who was like a brother to me (unnecessary statement, I know), died recently of a saddle thrombus and heart/kidney failure, shortly after developing hyperthyroidism. He seemed pretty damn healthy in March/April...! I honestly believe the radiation could've killed him, or at least sped up his death. Is there a real threat to be worried about?
connectingdots on YouTube is very convincing... http://www.youtube.com/user/connectingdots1

That connectingdots fellow is the last person I'd listen to regarding anything Fukushima. Him, and all the rest of the geiger counter wielding youtubers, don't know how to properly collect or test their samples resulting in their measuring no more than radon and it's decay products that have mixed with rainwater on roadways, then they sop up that water off the surfaces of their vehicles with a paper towel. They get high initial readings, of course, but what they fail to do is retest over the course of at least 4 hours to allow radon daughter products to decay. If they took proper samples of rainwater only before it hits the ground like from a rain gauge, they would likely find nothing above background.

This article from Berkeley debunks connectingdots little canadian radiation tour:

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/UCBAirSampling/measurement-of-radioactivity

I have no idea where Arnie Gunderson gets the 5 hot particles per day in Seattle thing. I've looked for a while and have yet to find any verification or corroborating data whatsoever. I think his evidence is nothing more than his own "calculations" but I'm not sure what those calculations are based on. AFAIK there is no data to back that claim up. However there seems to be plenty of evidence that indicates radionuclides from Fukushima deposited on the west coast of the US were few and far between.

Here's a video of Marco Kaltofen's presentation to the American Public Health Association:

http://vimeo.com/33353060

The slideshow used in the presentation:

http://www.fairewinds.com/content/marco-kaltofen-presentation-apha

And an interview with Kaltofen about Fukushima, and even Hanford which should be of interest to you jimothy of Seattle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJe7rCHXgYs

Another good forum thread from Berkeley:

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4459

Here's a thread on anther forum about the above Kaltofen videos where I also debunk the claim of a spike in infant mortality, including my own research and chart on Philadelphia.

http://www.realistnews.net/Thread-fairewinds-airs-video-of-original-marco-kaltofen-presentation

I'm going to start taking certain vitamins/supplements just in case, but I'm wishing I'd paid more attention to it earlier on if there really is a significant amount of radiation landing here. One article I read said that most radiation will fall into the ocean, but people on certain sites say otherwise and believe it's the beginning of the end of the world!

I think radionuclides in the ocean are going to be the worst radiaiton threat for both the near and long term for us here on the US west coast. There's a lot more naturally occuring background radionuclides than most people realize so staying in good health and taking radiation mediating supplements is always a good idea, imho.

Some info about background radiation:

http://web.princeton.edu/sites/ehs/osradtraining/backgroundradiation/background.htm

http://www.tenorm.com/bkgrnd.htm

http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/natural.htm

Here's a thread where a handful of us take on and debunk connectingdots:

http://www.realistnews.net/Thread-radiation-at-349-5-cpm-in-st-louis

Hope this helps alleviate your fears a little.

cheers
 

MikeC

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Yep - even here in the South Pacific, as an Air Training Corps cadet in my early teens (12-15yrs) I recall seeing films about how many feet of various types of cover would protect me from various sized bombs (usually measured in megatons) at "x" miles range.......it's all a bit surreal now!

At least we never had the nuclear drills in school I still ocaasionally see on TV - kids getting under desks, etc. - and backyard shelters were never an issue here that I know of.


We still have those drills tho.....but for earthquakes!
 

Oxymoron

Banned
Banned
I would not call it nothing to worry about. Radiation levels are high in that area anyway due to the uranium bomb tests conducted at site 300.

As you can see, in 2011, iodine-131 exceeded MCLs by 18,100%


http://www.businessinsider.com/san-...times-above-us-drinking-water-standard-2011-4

Radiation from Japan rained on Berkeley, California, during recent storms at levels that exceeded drinking water standards by 181 times. A rooftop water monitoring program managed by the University of California at Berkeley’s Department of Nuclear Engineering detected substantial spikes in rain-borne iodine-131 during those torrential downpours. The levels exceeded federal drinking water thresholds, known as Maximum Contaminant Levels -- or MCLs -- by as much as 181 times or 18,100%. Iodine-131 is one of the most cancer-causing toxic radioactive isotopes spewed when nuclear power plants are in meltdown. It is being ingested by cows, which have begun passing it through into their milk and radioactivity has been detected. [Multiple Sources]
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Also appears to be an attempt at a cover up here:

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_new...f-radiation-on-sf-bay-island-emails-show?lite

On May 15, Navy cleanup manager David Clark exchanged emails with a state toxics official saying it would be better if health officials only expressed their concerns verbally during meetings.

“It would be nice to avoid another letter if we can answer the questions now,” Clark wrote.
On May 17, James Sullivan, the Navy’s environmental coordinator also expressed a wish not to see public health regulators’ written memos.
“If you receive the memo, don’t send it to us,” Sullivan wrote to a state toxics official. “If after your review, DTSC (Department of Toxic Substances Control) is not satisfied with the content, and/or if it is not clearly written and to the point, I would recommend sending it back to CDPH for revision. That way, the Navy does not receive any memo from CDPH that DTSC has not endorsed.” He followed up to say his Navy superiors agreed.

Nonetheless, four hours later senior health department physicist Larry Morgan produced a memo criticizing the Navy’s handling of the cleanup.
“There have been several (high-radiation) shipments and about a thousand intermodal (containers) of radium waste shipped from Treasure Island,” he wrote, adding that previous Navy explanations for the radioactive waste on the island were insufficient.
The Navy took 1,500 soil samples throughout Treasure Island testing for chemical waste, yet failed to examine them for radioactivity, despite the possibility they were contaminated, Morgan wrote.
“This is not an acceptable” radioactive cleanup, he wrote.

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and these guys certainly seem concerned about radiation levels.

http://rense.com/general75/hyd.htm
A large daily newspaper and Livermore apologist, The San Francisco Chronicle, really distinguished themselves by blaming the high rate of breast cancer in nearby Marin County in the 1990s on hot tubs and smoking cigarettes. At the time Marin County had the highest breast cancer rate in the world.
The Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab, now called Livermore National Laboratory, apparently regards the Seven Million human beings in the San Francisco Bay Area as just so many expendable lab rats. The picture of a uranium bomb explosion at the Livermore Site 300 caption reads "Hydrodynamic (bomb core) test on a firing table at Site 300, 1961. The bright "streaking" effect in the photo is likely from shards of pyrophoric metal, such as Uranium 238, hurtling through the air. U-238 is one of the contaminants of concern in the Site 300 Superfund cleanup. Photo: LLNL." LLNL is the commonly used shorthand name for Lawrence Livermore National Lab.
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