Four Corners - Large Disk Seen From Private Plane at FL210 [Irrigation Circles]

I think a key factor in finding this will be the isolation. Most of these irrigation circles are quite clustered, I think someone previously mentioned infrastructure/facility requirements which makes sense for tight groupings. The two in the photo really look quite isolated in respect to the environment around them, which implies quite a large area is being covered by the image compared to the scale of the circles I'm seeing in the four corners area.

I've looked pretty extensively and haven't been able to find a direct match in the 4 corners vicinity anywhere. I agree with NorCal Dave this is probably not in the nearby vicinity. Also, my eyes are tired so there is a good chance I missed it.

Tapping out for today.
 
I must admit I hadn't heard of irrigation circles (or center-pivot irrigation, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center-pivot_irrigation), but I don't live somewhere where it is widely used.

Is it possible that Mr Elizondo would be equally unaware?
The Four Corners photo does look very much like the examples of irrigation circles supplied by posters here; it seems odd that no-one pointed this out to Lue.

Then again, it seems odd no-one pointed out, before one of his recent "disclosures", that the UFO in question was a ceiling light reflected in a windowpane.
 
John J. said:
Is it possible that Mr Elizondo would be equally unaware?
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He's traveled extensively in addition to his deployments. He has lived in Wyoming for quite a while now, and while not as common as in other areas, there are circle crops, even right off I80:

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Maybe he never noticed them. Or maybe he figured a chunk of his audience had never seen them.

Side note: Am I only one who sees the irony in us trying to debunk a UFO photo using crop circles;).
 
John J. said:
I must admit I hadn't heard of irrigation circles (or center-pivot irrigation, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center-pivot_irrigation), but I don't live somewhere where it is widely used.

Is it possible that Mr Elizondo would be equally unaware?
The Four Corners photo does look very much like the examples of irrigation circles supplied by posters here; it seems odd that no-one pointed this out to Lue.

Then again, it seems odd no-one pointed out, before one of his recent "disclosures", that the UFO in question was a ceiling light reflected in a windowpane.
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My dad used to sell them in the Oklahoma Panhandle where I grew up.

My intial reaction to the photo was exactly that. Mature wheat field next to a summer cover crop like beans etc.

If it really is Farmington, NM, could be fields on the fringes of NAPI. The Navajo have about 700 center pivot systems.
 
Elizondo says it's "...an average person with an average camera."

Well, the average person doesn't take pictures in black & white, so why is this
"evidence" presented in B&W? Folks familiar with Elizondo's track record might
cynically point out that--in this case--B&W helps the image look like something
far more interesting, than if the irrigation circles & the surrounding area were
presented in their true colors...
 
@MonkeeSage clapping emoji

While the claimed location is a few hundred miles away as others have said, 1. this wouldn't be the first time believers have accidentally or purposely misled the public regarding time and location, and 2. everything matches up so perfectly, especially the oddly shaped fields in the bottom right, that I, in my completely worthless opinion, find this extremely convincing that you have found the correct location.

I ctrl+F'ed for "date" and didn't see one. Did Lue give a date for these pics @Mick West ?
 
Mick West said:
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This seems to be a photo of the handout photo from the panel.

The exact alignment with the roads is very clear here. And there's probably enough info to find it, with a bit of work.
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I would suggest perhaps looking for the irregular rectangular very light color field in the lower right corner, with the darker area surrounding it on three sides, with the darker patch on its upper left corner. That is a more distinctive shape than the circles themselves. Looking for the circles themselves may be difficult, as they will probably be of different brightnesses than as in this particular photo. The shape of that very light colored field is more distinct and should still be visible even if it is dark and surrounded by light in more recent pictures.
 
I was in the final stages of making a simple google maps tile scraper script to make it easier to systematically visually search an area without repeating locations, but I definitely was not looking this far away so wouldn't have caught it anyways. Might still finish this and upload it to github in case its useful later.
 
yoshy said:
Does google earth let you cycle through satellite images from different times? Just curious if you can get the time when the colors match exactly (of course assuming Lue's version hasn't altered the white/black balance already)
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it doesnt matter really..this shape (green) clinches it. dead on match. and everything else matches up too.
(sorry mine is so pale, for some reason google pro is fading me out when at an angle and close. so i saturated it a bit)

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Fun question for Mr. Elizondo:

"Is there any bare minimum (at all), re. credibility, for things you'll call 'important'
and include in your presentations? Can things be 'evidence' with zero serious vetting?"

It would be fun to have some guy with a little card table, outside his gigs, with "Mothership" lamp pics, irrigation circle pics, etc. Kinda like a traveling Deadhead! "Debunkhead"?
 
This Nov 2, 2014 image from the Digital Globe WorldView-2 (WV 2) satellite (via ESRI's World Imagery map really shows the potential contrast between the two circles. I've rotated it 180 degrees, but otherwise not adjusted it; I don't know if this is how the region looks in winter or if the image is outside the visual spectrum. The second version is tilted on a 3D plane in an old version of Photoshop.
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Lots of redditors calling Lue a disinfo agent now, but you would think a disinfo agent would have access to much better fakes. Seems more to me like a true believer who ran out of mysterious (though eventually explainable) photos/videos, and now is desperately trying to remain relevant.

Again, I've mentioned this before, it reminds me of the psychological field's work on reactions to religious prophecies. It's happened often with religious movements where a prophecy is made, it fails, some people move on, but others become even more fanatical believers. There is, of course, the possibility that Lue really is a grifter who knows it's BS at this point. We'll have to wait and see how he reacts to another picture being debunked quite quickly and easily.
 
Mick West said:
Yeah, 5:49:29 PM PDT for u/SwordThenSnow's post, and 6:52 for yours.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/1kcgygk/comment/mq497fk/
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/fo...from-private-plane-at-fl210.14173/post-343512

Still, an impressive feat. I knew the image was distinctive enough that someone would find it, but it also seemed like a big task. Well done to both of you.
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Thanks! I was scanning in ArcGIS, basically going out further and further from the NE arc of circle you posted earlier, looking for clusters of one or two, scanning for ones in a corner between two roads. I saw the two in the bottom right in the snip below first, and then looked up left and saw one in a corner at a T junction, with one offset from it across the road below and thought "no way" but turned out to be "yes way" :)

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Interestingly there is a Google Maps named location called "Four Corners Crossing" in SE Colorado out on the plains that is nowhere near the more commonly recognized place called "Four Corners" (also the location of the "Four Corners Monument") at the SW corner of the state. It appears to be the location of maybe one house and a couple farm buildings, surrounded by miles of farmland in all directions, which suggests to me that it's an error in Google Maps' labels, or a case of Google improperly labelling a place no one really refers to by that name or is aware of being named that, which is also a thing that happens. That "Four Corners Crossing" is 82 miles from the identified circular farm plots.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/MHu6CuGjuo512dkA6

OSM also has that place labeled, which may be how it got into Google Maps. But Apple Maps has no knowledge of it.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?lat=38.02659&lon=-102.77779&zoom=15#map=15/38.02658/-102.77779

This is all probably irrelevant unless someone who lives in that part of Colorado searched 'four corners' and google maps happened to decide to show them that closer named place rather than the more well-known one on the other side of the state.
 
Kyle Ferriter said:
Interestingly there is a Google Maps named location called "Four Corners Crossing" in SE Colorado out on the plains that is nowhere near the more commonly recognized place called "Four Corners" (also the location of the "Four Corners Monument") at the SW corner of the state. It appears to be the location of maybe one house and a couple farm buildings, surrounded by miles of farmland in all directions, which suggests to me that it's an error in Google Maps' labels, or a case of Google improperly labelling a place no one really refers to by that name or is aware of being named that, which is also a thing that happens. That "Four Corners Crossing" is 82 miles from the identified circular farm plots.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/MHu6CuGjuo512dkA6

OSM also has that place labeled, which may be how it got into Google Maps. But Apple Maps has no knowledge of it.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?lat=38.02659&lon=-102.77779&zoom=15#map=15/38.02658/-102.77779

This is all probably irrelevant unless someone who lives in that part of Colorado searched 'four corners' and google maps happened to decide to show them that closer named place rather than the more well-known one on the other side of the state.
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We had one of those, too. I reckon it's one of many out in the Great Nothingness between the Rockies and Mississippi River.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners,_Texas_County,_Oklahoma

You Dark Sky telescope nerds know the area.

https://www.okie-tex.com/
 
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Lue Elizondo 01:22
This is taken from a civilian pilot, right? Not a FLIR system, not an infrared system, but an average person with an average camera at 21,000 feet. And the object, potentially is anywhere between 600 to 1000 feet in diameter. There's a particular object, and it is silver.
It's 2,500 feet wide.
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What on earth did Elizondo mean by this (after making the point that as well as military pilots, we have sightings by commercial and civilian pilots):

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I've just received permission today to share this with you.
Source: Elizondo's presentation in this Twitter post

He didn't reveal coordinates or names, so who exactly would have objected to him showing this photo without "permission"? Was someone denying permission until today? It wasn't classified. It's just a snapshot someone took out the window of a plane.

Even setting aside Elizondo's daring move to present Congress with a "UFO" photo without first attempting to rule out mundane explanations, it really feels like he said this only to hype up the mysteriousness of the image, to perhaps indicate the pilot felt themselves in danger for having seen something they weren't supposed to see.
 
Charlie Wiser said:
What on earth did Elizondo mean by this (after making the point that as well as military pilots, we have sightings by commercial and civilian pilots):

External Quote:
I've just received permission today to share this with you.
Source: Elizondo's presentation in this Twitter post
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He has to have some excuse why he keeps presenting what are essentially cold cases.

(If this wasn't a cold case, we'd have asked for date/time/location or date/time/aircraft callsign, and have had this debunked in minutes rather than hours.)
 
Charlie Wiser said:
He didn't reveal coordinates or names, so who exactly would have objected to him showing this photo without "permission"? Was someone denying permission until today? It wasn't classified. It's just a snapshot someone took out the window of a plane.
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The photographer would own the photo and have control over it's use is the most charitable reason.

I tried to approximate FOV at 6400 metres (21k feet) in Earth Studio

It seems like quite a narrow FOV, so if that's a full frame image a longish lens, I got like 10 degrees, so 200mm on 35mm
 
The 'topmost' circle would move at exactly the same rate as the ground surrounding it, so there would have been no illusion of parallax. Perhaps the photographer just took a random picture out of the window, and only noticed the 'object' later, when looking at the prints.

An old story, repeated over and over in UFO lore.
 
MyMatesBrainwashed said:
I have a hard time believing a pilot thought they were seeing a flying alien spacecraft when they took this photograph.

It's difficult to imagine the optical illusion when actually flying over it.
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Not to mention the error of thinking they were *hundreds of miles away from where they thought they were.

*I'm going by the Four Corners Monument which is 305 mi as the crow flies from @MonkeeSage 's coordinates.
 
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