Erin Brokovich does not believe in chemtrails.

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She has recently stood-up for cleaner air in Utah, but has never mentioned "chemtrails" as the cause.
https://www.facebook.com/7596080549...60805493/10153733806175494/?type=1&permPage=1
Another instance of her recent Utah air pollution criticism.... http://www.brockovich.com/projects/stericycle-utah/

Despite several Facebook pages dedicated to her activism...a new FB page seems to have arisen, implying she somehow is, or "should" believe in chemtrails. The page is called a "Plea for her action", but the followers seem to see her critisizm as truth.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Plea...gal-Action-against-Chemtrails/373781936107888
what do you think about this site?
http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/content/geoengineering-current-actions
 
Yes, they are either lying or just misinformed and mistaken.
Look at the size of the whole engine on an older turbojet engine like a Boeing 707 and then look at the size of the engine on a newer plane like a Boeing 777.
The newer plane has a MUCH LARGER FAN.
So although a large percentage of the air is not passing through the combustion chamber, the same amount of air IS going in as in the older design, because the intake to the combustion chamber is about the same.

Plus, what makes the water is burning the hydrocarbon. As the newer engine is more efficient a slightly smaller amount of hydrocarbon will be burnt to create the Carbon Dioxode and the Water which comes out the back of the engine. The extra air that doesn't pass through the combustion chamber is neither her nor there.


It's also impossible to prove a negative. Plus this website is meant to be about debunking individual claims, rather than discussing wider conspiracy theories.
But if every piece of "evidence" that comes along is bunk, then there is no reason to believe such a thing is happening.

People are talking about Geo-engineering. If people like Bill Gates, or the US Military, wanted to secretly do some of this stuff, why the hell would they openly talk about it,and say that BEFORE this stuff is done, we need to OPENLY discuss this to make sure we think it is the right thing to TRY OUT rather than just do it and say nothing?

So those lines in the sky sure are water vapour. I'll tell you why as well, a lot of people here, including me, have done the maths. Try it yourself. Pick a plane that makes a trail, (decent enough shot so you can read the registration number), find out exactly what plane it has, and all its specifications. Work out how big you think the trail is and crunch some numbers.
In this thread: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/chemtrail-additives-in-jet-fuel-a-mathematical-analysis.4426/ I worked out that the plane G-VBIG ( a boeing 747 with GE CF6-80C2B1F engines), even if it was a magic plane that did not require fuel to fly, if the entire weight of fuel was used to make a "chemtrail" then its concentration just as it left the back of the plane and before it spread out was only 0.16g/m3.

If you look at a plane's specs, you will also see that the fuel makes up a lot of the weight of the plane, so once you subtract the weight of fuel AND the weight of the empty plane from the Maximum takeoff weight, the amount of PAYLOAD (i.e people or chemtrail material) is less than the weight of fuel, so if the chemtrail stuff is NOT in the fuel, there is even less of it in the plane.

Using these specs for a 747-400 Freighter: http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/747family/pf/pf_400f_prod.page?
and this conversion chart: http://www.streamline-ops.com/en/info/fuel_weight_conversion_tables/

gives you a fuel weight of 173,472 kg but a payload of only 112,630kg.

So basically these 200 mile long trails seem to have far too much material in them to fit in the plane.
Is it not a possibility then, that MOST OF THE MATERIAL is already in the air (i.e water at nearly supersaturated levels)


Being a paid shill is a HELL OF A LOT less lucrative than being a major chemtrail promoter, selling your vids, T shirts, chembusters, posters, and having big donation buttons all over your page.
And once you go down the route of accusing people of being paid shills with no evidence except that they don't agree with you, just shows you have no real argument and cannot refute any of the evidence or debunking that they show you.
 
So the only argument that anyone here really has that this isn't happening is that is hasn't been fully disclosed...and well, most things aren't that our government does, aren't. The evidence is there.





Engines in large military aircraft and commercial aircraft are designed specifically to have zero contrail.

[....] PG


No.
 

The Agricultural Defence Coalition website is owned by Rosalind Peterson. She has stated that she does not know of any evidence supporting "chemtrails".

"In 10 years of research, other than aluminum coated fibreglass, chaff releases by the US military, I have no proof whatsoever that the jets are releasing anything but jet fuel emissions"
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But since this thread is about Erin Brokovich, you can read more about Rosalind in this thread or searching Metabunk, her name would come up often in the past.
 
Exactly. The first thing to remember is that the Chemtrail idea didn't latch on to Geo -engineering until fairly recently.
SO Firstly, the chemtrail promoters( who I think MAY have been sincere, even if incorrect) stated that contrails can't persist.
This fundamental flaw in the argument is what started the whole thing off. So if you have believed in chemtrails for a long time, there are many concepts you need to lose before you can seriously look at geo-engineering as a possibility.

You can't look at a persistent trail from a plane and say "That looks like Geo-engineering to me" because you have no idea what it looks like, any more than I or anyone else does.
This kind of thinking stems from already believing them to be chemtrails before you start.
If the ONLY way to tell a "chemtrail" from a contrail is its persistence, and that idea is TOTALLY WRONG, then you basically come down to the fact that there is NO Evidence for chemtrails.

once you get that straight, it then turns out that if these planes ARE actually geo-engineering, then "It sure looks like a persistent contrail to me" would be more accurate.

The geo-engineering proposals are for heights between 40,000ft and 100,000ft which is higher than airliners actually fly. This is also glossed over by the chemtrail promoters. This report: http://r3zn8d.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/aurorageoreport1.pdf shows a cost analysis of varying methods, including rockets and modified naval guns. they conclude planes and airships seem to be the most cost effective but basically for higher altitudes we are talking about designing a NEW geo engineering plane from scratch or a newer modified airship design.
 
So basically .... if it is happening, no one can prove it.
Sounds like the norm.

Yes, correct. In a nutshell, there are simply no such things as "chem"trails. It has developed into a sort of "Urban Myth" over the last decade, or so. And simply "snowballed", primarily due to some ignorance of what a contrail is, how and why it can develop...spurred by either:

A) people who just don't understand the science, or;
B) those who DO know that they are merely 'cranking up' category "A", above.

There is (in terms of category "B") a potential for profit, by the 'preying' on the under-informed.
 
If it were occurring (stratospheric spraying) I think it would be provable as there would be measurable changes in sunlight energy reaching the ground and atmospheric content.
 
If it were occurring (stratospheric spraying) I think it would be provable as there would be measurable changes in sunlight energy reaching the ground and atmospheric content.

Which, of course, they wrongly claim is happening- ie: "global dimming".
 
If it were occurring (stratospheric spraying) I think it would be provable as there would be measurable changes in sunlight energy reaching the ground and atmospheric content.
Right, in other words: If it's happening, it's somehow happening in a way that leaves none of the evidence that one would expect to find.
 
Which, of course, they wrongly claim is happening- ie: "global dimming".
Are you sure ?
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The largest solar power plant of its type in the world - once promoted as a turning point in green energy - isn't producing as much energy as planned. One of the reasons is as basic as it gets: The sun isn't shining as much as expected. "Factors such as clouds, jet contrails and weather have had a greater impact on the plant than the owners anticipated," the agency said in a statement.
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Jet Contrails ? Say it aint so ?http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-11-17-14-33-47
 
OK.

Is there anything new RE: Erin Brokovich? I haven't heard anything of late.

Thanks in advance.
On her official facebook page, these 2 posts were made, today.
https://www.facebook.com/7596080549....873676.75960805493/10154809459045494/?type=1
gmo.jpg
I like to know the source of any crops being modified to not need any water?

https://www.facebook.com/7596080549....873676.75960805493/10154809291515494/?type=1
unlinedpit.jpg
I'd be very interested if anyone can find the DOGGR report that mentions the 432 wells. I've only been able to find that line quoted on a couple of anti-fracking sites and have not found it from DOGGR. I do know of several instances, here in the Central Valley, where oil companies have been caught using unlined pits for disposal, they have been fined. http://www.bakersfieldcalifornian.c...Oxy-settles-charges-it-illegally-dumped-waste
 
This is fairly ridiculous. There are no GMO tomatoes available.
So why the pic?....or topic on her page ?
 
I haven't seen the movie. Is Erin a trained lawyer or investigative journalist or just a concerned citizen that got famous over a case?
There's legitimate environmental activism/advocation, and then there's the more reactive emotional stuff; it'd be interesting to know if she actually endorses what is posted under her name in a legal sense, or if she's allowing it to be used as a platform for activism of the less rigorous sort.
 
I haven't seen the movie. Is Erin a trained lawyer or investigative journalist or just a concerned citizen that got famous over a case?
There's legitimate environmental activism/advocation, and then there's the more reactive emotional stuff; it'd be interesting to know if she actually endorses what is posted under her name in a legal sense, or if she's allowing it to be used as a platform for activism of the less rigorous sort.

She doesn't have formal legal training. At least, she didn't when she rose to prominence; I can't say for certain that she hasn't trained since then, but the only qualifications she seems to claim are honorary ones.

She became famous when, while working as a legal clerk, she helped put together a case against Pacific Gas & Electric over groundwater contamination.

It appears that the posts made in her name on that site may not be made by her personally. I would hope that her "science team" would know that posting a photo of tomatoes with syringes sticking out of them to illustrate "GMO crops" is pretty stupid.
 
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