Elizondo's Orbs

eek i just stared at my lightbulb for like 30 seconds and for like 3 mins i had a rather bright "light" in the shape of the filiments floating around my room! started off bright pink and after rubbing my eyes and keeping them closed for like a minute..because started to get scared i hurt myself.. when i opened them again what was flaoting around was now a bit less bright and a blue green color.

trippy. i wonder if i watch the beginning of The Ring in a dark room and stare at the Ring if the same would happen. (not gonna try it till at least tomorrow as i dont want to scare my retinas.
 
@Fin, I find your posts interesting but very hard to read. For some reason they're coming out with really pale text that I have a lot of trouble with, unlike the usual text. Do you know why that is?
 
eek i just stared at my lightbulb for like 30 seconds and for like 3 mins i had a rather bright "light" in the shape of the filiments floating around my room! started off bright pink and after rubbing my eyes and keeping them closed for like a minute..because started to get scared i hurt myself.. when i opened them again what was flaoting around was now a bit less bright and a blue green color.

trippy. i wonder if i watch the beginning of The Ring in a dark room and stare at the Ring if the same would happen. (not gonna try it till at least tomorrow as i dont want to scare my retinas.
In the days of my mother taking all the family photos with a flash bulb (and insisting that we all keep our eyes open, of course), I was very familiar with that lingering light image. As I age, the effect lasts longer, such that if I go back in a relatively dark house after being out in bright sunshine it takes a good couple of minutes for my eyes to readjust. Perhaps some people simply see an "orb" lingering longer than others because of their particular retinal sensitivities.
 
I've had such an encounter, twice actually, over back to back days. The second time some friends and I were sitting around playing PlayStation, in a weird coincidence I think it was Tony Hawk, when it floated over the TV set and blinked out like a light turning off. One of them actually took off and refused to visit again for a while

I don't think it's controversial to say people have experiences they themselves cannot explain. We all know how limited human perception and memory are. My issue with this new breed of UFO influencers are them providing nonsensical explanation for these rare occurrences.

A subset of these people having these experiences might actually need medical intervention. It my eyes it's awful to your large audience having these experiences is not a cause for concern in any way.
would you be willing to get into contact with the other people there and ask them to describe what they remember about this? that's really interesting. Also do you remember if the weather at that time was stormy?
 
@Fin, I find your posts interesting but very hard to read. For some reason they're coming out with really pale text that I have a lot of trouble with, unlike the usual text. Do you know why that is?
Hi Ann. Thanks for pointing that out. I think it had something to do with the fact I'm using a "dark mode" extension in my browser. I've gone back and fixed the formatting in my recent posts
 
... there are reports coming from non-UFO people of orbs indoors that sound very much like they could be ball lightning.

No. Because there's no such thing as "ball lightning". And I say that as someone who's actually seen ball lightning. However, what I saw in no way violated any laws of physics, it was a mere freakish curiosity in a very violent storm (and, holy jesus, it was at a rock festival - I was probably suffering from a dangerous spike of blood in my alcohol stream). It's a shortcut, a description of appearances, rather than the actualisation of any known distinct physical principle.
 
No. Because there's no such thing as "ball lightning". And I say that as someone who's actually seen ball lightning. However, what I saw in no way violated any laws of physics, it was a mere freakish curiosity in a very violent storm (and, holy jesus, it was at a rock festival - I was probably suffering from a dangerous spike of blood in my alcohol stream). It's a shortcut, a description of appearances, rather than the actualisation of any known distinct physical principle.
Hmm, are you sure? I am pretty convinced ball lightning (ionised gas in ball shapes) is not impossible and surely green colour points to the Nitrogen content of our atmosphere. There are papers out there explaining the creation of spherical ionised gas in a non vacuum environment, and no magnets to contain them.
 
Hmm, are you sure? I am pretty convinced ball lightning (ionised gas in ball shapes) is not impossible ...

Which bit of what I said do you think implies that I think that it is impossible. The way I read my post, which is the way that I wrote my post, implies that I think it is possible.
 
Which bit of what I said do you think implies that I think that it is impossible. The way I read my post, which is the way that I wrote my post, implies that I think it is possible.
Well, your line in #86 says " Because there's no such thing as "ball lightning" ".
 
Well, your line in #86 says " Because there's no such thing as "ball lightning" ".
The quote marks matter. It's a label that is applied to many things. Therefore it doesn't mean any single thing. My ball lightning is definitely not what other people's ball lightning is.
 
The quote marks matter. It's a label that is applied to many things. Therefore it doesn't mean any single thing. My ball lightning is definitely not what other people's ball lightning is.
Okay, then I misunderstood your entry.
 
The quote marks matter. It's a label that is applied to many things. Therefore it doesn't mean any single thing. My ball lightning is definitely not what other people's ball lightning is.
I did see something like ball lightning when I was in high school decades ago. A friend and I were in the Yucaipa Badlands in California on a stormy evening when we saw these roundish lights moving along the low clouds behind some hills and we drove east to get a better view. After several miles we realized we weren't getting any closer, so we gave it up as a fool's errand. (Pretty sure the lights weren't from skylights, since the whole area was undeveloped and we'd seen plenty of skylights from car dealerships before. But I could be wrong.)
 
Thread discussing ball lightning here, https://www.metabunk.org/threads/when-ball-lightning-isnt-ball-lightning.13205/#post-303442.

Must admit, I thought ball lightning was an accepted phenomenon (though poorly understood) until reading that thread, but I didn't realise that non-anecdotal evidence was so sketchy.
However, conventional lightning is complex, incompletely understood and can be extraordinarily energetic; e.g. it is only in the past 10 years that it has been realised that lightning produces positrons
("Positron clouds within thunderstorms", Journal of Plasma Physics 81, 2015); "superbolts" were discovered by Vega satellites in 1978 and sprites were first reliably documented in 1989.
 
Yeah, so really its "Yeah, maybe. Or maybe not". But "yeah, no" is a bit premature. You weren't there. You don't definitively know what happened.

"Yeah, no" as in this is not evidence of anything, other than people report seeing orbs. They're 30-year-old claim is no different than Elizondo's. In both cases we have nothing more than unevidenced anecdotes.

No, I don't know what happened and therein lies the problem with claims like this. It could be anything from a static discharge on the old cathode ray TV (something these folks still had in 2010) to a completely made-up story and everything in between. We don't know. It's just an anecdote that is similar but different from other floating orb anecdotes, such that no real conclusions can be drawn.

Piling anecdotes on top of more anecdotes, MAY suggest something that needs further investigation, but usually it just results in a pile of anecdotes.

"Yeah, maybe" as in I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they probably aren't making this story up out of whole cloth. Rather something happened 30 years ago. The reporter says the orb "imploded with a defining bang that shook the whole house" when it came into contact with the TV. The description of the video on YouTube says:

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The Vachons from Gwinn experienced a rare phenomenon known as ball lightning when it entered their home and destroyed their television.
So, maybe their TV blew up and the orb is how they remember it. Or maybe they really had ball lightning in their house given the wide latitude used to describe it (bold by me):

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A review of the available literature published in 1972[15] identified the properties of a "typical" ball lightning, whilst cautioning against over-reliance on eye-witness accounts:

  • They frequently appear almost simultaneously with cloud-to-ground lightning discharge
  • They are generally spherical or pear-shaped with fuzzy edges
  • Their diameters range from 1–100 cm (0.4–40 inches), most commonly 10–20 cm (4–8 inches)
  • Their brightness corresponds to roughly that of a domestic lamp, so they can be seen clearly in daylight
  • A wide range of colors has been observed, with red, orange, and yellow being the most common
  • The lifetime of each event is from one second to over a minute with the brightness remaining fairly constant during that time
  • They tend to move at a few meters per second, most often in a horizontal direction, but may also move vertically, remain stationary, or wander erratically
  • Many are described as having rotational motion
  • It is rare that observers report the sensation of heat, although in some cases the disappearance of the ball is accompanied by the liberation of heat
  • Some display an affinity for metal objects and may move along conductors such as wires, metal fences, or railroad tracks
  • Some appear within buildings passing through closed doors and windows
  • Some have appeared within metal aircraft and have entered and left without causing damage
  • The disappearance of a ball is generally rapid and may be either silent or explosive
  • Odors resembling ozone, burning sulphur, or nitrogen oxides are often reported
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning

Like Elizondo, the Vachon's descriptions tick a few boxes but are contrary to others like size and color. Again, they're anecdotes.

Not to get completely off topic here but:
Just because a news piece is a puff piece doesn't mean the story the people tell is automatically null & void.
Agreed. However, as was seen in the Bob Lazar case, when a local newspaper did a puff piece on his jet powered Honda Civic which was full of wild exaggerations by Lazar, the reporter just took Lazar's word for it that he worked as an actual physicist at Los Alamos labs, when in fact he was an un-degreed contract technician. Something Jeremy Corbel uses today to "prove" Lazar was a physicist at the lab and therefore his wild tales about Area 51 are all true. Because of an uncritical puff piece.

Lastly, this was a terrible puff piece from this TV station! It was supposed to be about National Lightning Safety Awareness Week, instead they offered a mysterious 30-year-old recollection about an incredibly rare phenomenon, that even if the story was completely true, had nothing to do with lightning safety. They never once mentioned anything about safety in a lightning storm! Nothing about making sure your house is properly grounded, what to do if caught outside. NOTHING. Totally lame.

Lazar's puff piece in the Los Alamos Monitor discussed here in post #28:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ro...vity-b-wave-frequency-claim-of-7-46-hz.13325/
 
And neither Elizondo, or his family members, or his neighbors tried to take pictures of them? or make videos of them? Or invite other neighbors to see at them. Nobody called Oprah? Its not just the lack of pictures, its the apparent lack of any effort, by anybody, to record these events in any way that suggests this is all just a tall tale.
I can see Elizondo fearing for his reputation in the Department if he went full ghost hunter in his home. We know he invented the AATIP moniker to distance himself from the Skinwalker Ranch project.
I get Mendel's point, but for a guy (Elizondo) who wants so much for others to believe
that he is routinely joined by these remarkable "orbs," to not make even the tiniest effort
to document them
(nor anyone else, like neighbors, who presumably have no concerns about their "reputation in the Department")
strikes me as beyond lazy, but virtually malpractice...
 
I get Mendel's point, but for a guy (Elizondo) who wants so much for others to believe
that he is routinely joined by these remarkable "orbs," to not make even the tiniest effort
to document them
(nor anyone else, like neighbors, who presumably have no concerns about their "reputation in the Department")
strikes me as beyond lazy,
he might have written the sightings down in a diary. and maybe his wife didnt want him filming her 24/7 ( i wouldnt .for an alleged orb that might show up once a month or every few months in the hallway. what if the orb appeared as i was walking out of the bedroom in the morning with bedhead and makeup smeared all over my face? am i now gonna be on youtube?).


Besides, he doesnt want you to believe him. His entire income depends on people "just believing him" when he says 'this happened' or 'this is proof of this' etc. so either you believe him, or you dont. enough people believe him to pay his bills apparently.
 
I get Mendel's point, but for a guy (Elizondo) who wants so much for others to believe
that he is routinely joined by these remarkable "orbs," to not make even the tiniest effort
to document them
(nor anyone else, like neighbors, who presumably have no concerns about their "reputation in the Department")
strikes me as beyond lazy, but virtually malpractice...
"The orbs return. Their gleam takes away not only the darkness, but my motivation. I thought to keep a diary of their visitations, but at some contractually undefined moment an orb floated over, watching me listlessly, and later I realized I had closed the cover and the pen had fallen from my fingers to the floor, or perhaps another dimension. Days, perhaps months later I looked in the diary and saw only page after page of scribbled circles (some with smiley faces) except for perhaps one page where there was a stretch of gray correction tape, and I couldn't bring myself to pull it up to see what lay underneath.
"One day I found myself near the ranch's wormhole with the diary in my hands, flipping it over and over. Angry at my inability to record even the feeblest details, I flung the book away, past a boulder and a stand of mustard plants and one of the dogs chased after it. A moment later the dog emerged from behind the brush, diary clutched in its teeth. Following it came a crimson orb... and in a moment the book and dog were gone.
"I pondered what might have been written under that tape, and I shuddered and went to lunch."
 
So, maybe their TV blew up and the orb is how they remember it. Or maybe they really had ball lightning in their house given the wide latitude used to describe it.
A friend's house got a direct lightning strike (as far as I know, a perfectly ordinary obeys-the-laws-of-physics lightning strike) which caused the hanging light in the dining room to explode and crash to the table. Another neighbor once was on the phone (house phone, not cell phone) when lightning struck a nearby pole, blew out the transformer, and knocked her across the kitchen. These are dramatic events which might (1) produce an explosion or visible electrical discharge, and/or (2) make a witness "see stars". If the phrase "ball lightning" is known to the witnesses, it could be applied to any electrical event, such as the time my sister and I (aged probably about six and four at the time) simultaneously tried to plug in the toaster with the frayed cord. . .
 
Or maybe they really had ball lightning in their house given the wide latitude used to describe it
Even if there was something unique about the Elizondo home or its location, monthly ball lightning might stretch credibility.
No wonder the neighbours commented on it. :)

(If any of the claimed orbs really were ball lightning, if it exists, it's arguably an example of Lue failing to take advantage of an extraordinary opportunity to advance human knowledge).
 
Lue, on occasion, is known to tell the odd porky pie.
Even if he wasn't involved in a program which was associated with "unexplained phenomena" - a senior co-intel agent would be required to report anything that could be interpreted as potential adversary surveillance to whoever manages their operational security.

Ignoring and/or not reporting would not be an option.

In terms of ball lightning -the evidence is anecdotal - so I wonder if one explanation for peoples sightings could be buoyant plasmas?

Project Condign makes mention of such - invoking "dusty" plasmas- which may arise in areas with Radon deposit seepage.

Condign sort of trails off the buoyant plasma subject at that point whilst referencing an (obfuscated) classified US technology with similar characteristics.

For a long time I thought it might be some sort of plasma related stealth set up - but of late (mainly due to the Navy yapping about NEMESIS and contextualising Palladium's historical significance in the process)- I started suspecting it might be something to do with propagating LIPF's (laser induced plasma filaments) which make up one component of NEMESIS' (formerly Palladium) capabilities.
 
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On the whole, I thought Imminent was a good read.
A question that popped into my mind immediately when reading the chapter about the orbs was that if these things were floating around in his house, and also outside in the garden, in front of his neighbour, why didn't anyone ever get the chance to whip their phone out and take a photo?
It makes no sense!
 
Whilst trying to find something on the Stratton/Elizondu AATIP beef in the "New AARO Chief Dr. Jon T. Kosloski" thread here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/new-aaro-chief-dr-jon-t-kosloski.13620/post-325381 , I came across this vid, which seemed to have a relevant title:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QalALLHGFZ4

I skipped through the thing just to see what was being discussed, and what kinds of primary sources were being referred to - names and references, and nothing jumped out as clearly providing what I was looking for, but at the 2:03:05 mark it I did notice it gets onto Lue's Fantabulous Orbs. I got a girlfriend, and things to get done, so I'll leave you temporarily with an extremely brief paraphrase, and come back and edit into this post a transcript from that segment after lunch: "I asked him, have you seen orbs? He said "no". And now he's saying he has seen them." - a very clear implication of "Lue's bullshitting".

EDIT: Here's the segment from the embedded podcast (it's something being described as a "space" with a name like "Chupacabra") the host is commentating on -
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I know Stratton claimed orbs were in his house. I know other AAWSAP folks claimed orbs were in their house. Have we ever heard Lue Elizondo claim he has orbs in his house? No. Have [we] heard others? Yes. Is he suddenly claiming that? Yes. And I don't understand, man, I mean the guy who's all over the media all over the world, I mean "UFOs are in my kitchen" is a hell of a story, and he never mentions it once? I mean, when people asked him, I asked him, I interviewed, I said "Hey, with your own eyes, Lue," I asked him this to his face "with your own physical eyes, have you ever seen this phenomenon?", and he said "no". And now he's writing a book where he's [crosstalk: "oh shit!"] now he's saying he, he, he wrote a book, now he's writing a book where he's saying that the phenomena's flying around his kitchen and has been for years. It's like come one man! What's your story?
As I let the thing play, the podcast ends with an embedded clip of one of the guy's prior podcasts where he interviews Jeremy McGowan, and where Jeremy recounts talking to Stratton - and this sounds like it's some of the beef that I was looking for for the other thread:
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Jeremy: Stratton replied to me about Lue. He told me exactly what Lue did with AATIP. And he said it wasn't Lue's program.

Host: it's what Lue's job was

Jeremy: He told me that Lue never ran AATIP. Now, I will say that Stratton did speak as if AATIP was an actual program, but he never confirmed nor denied that it was. But he said that it was not Lue's program. He said it was his program. He told me that he selected Lue because of Lue's knowledge of people in other programs. And I'm paraphrasing this, I'm not saying it exact quote because I didn't take notes, but I'm paraphrasing this from memory. Stratton said that he chose Lue to bring access to AATIP of other programs, and I said "what do you mean?", and this is where I'm paraphrasing, not a direct quote, don't hold me to this, this was the gist of what Stratton was talking about. For example, if AATIP was looking at an incursion of Chinese drones over, let's say, the USS Roosevelt or something like that, and there is another department within the DoD that has that information, and AATIP did not have access to that information, and then they couldn't put two and two together, they couldn't do a full analysis on the case because they didn't have access to that information, Stratton would pick up the phone, he would call Lue, Lue would make an introduction to the person that ran that operation, and then Stratton would have access to the information that he needed. Lue did not research, according to Stratton, Lue did not research UFOs, or aliens, or anything, on behest of AATIP. Lue was a facilitator of introductions.

Host: We've heard him say that himself. We've heard him say he wasn't, he's not, into UFOs, never has been, never will be. He's a counterintelligence cointerinsurgency guy.

Jeremy: But that came from Stratton. Stratton told me that Lue did not run AATIP. Furthermore, Stratton also said, and this is a quote, this is not paraphrasing, he goes "I've gotten tired up of cleaning up Lue's shit".
 
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On the whole, I thought Imminent was a good read.
A question that popped into my mind immediately when reading the chapter about the orbs was that if these things were floating around in his house, and also outside in the garden, in front of his neighbour, why didn't anyone ever get the chance to whip their phone out and take a photo?
It makes no sense!

Put simply (*as Lue likes to say)- common sense suggests it didn't happen.
Just like how the astral projection and associated bed shaking probably did not happen.

Remember Lue spent time under the tutelage of a master of unfalsifiable claims - Puthoff.
Hal apparently picked this MO up from Russian IC types in the 60's who used to use claims of psychic spies/ remote viewing/the paranormal as covers to protect real sources and methods.
 
Hal apparently picked this MO up from Russian IC types in the 60's who used to use claims of psychic spies/ remote viewing/the paranormal as covers to protect real sources and methods.
Do you have more information on that? Where did you learn this?
 
Not only does he make these claims about repeating and repeatable phenomena and not produce any evidence he doesn't even address the lack of evidence which was we have all addressed is the were elephant in the room.
 
This sounds much too far-fetched to be believable, and I suspect both the neighbors witnessing something weird AND them joking about it is all a figment of Elizondo's fertile imagination. If even a small fraction of the strange events he mentions have actually happened, and he (supposedly involved in scientific investigations) paid only a casual attention to them - enough to mention them in a book but not enough to try to understand the phenomena - it leaves me undecided as to whether he was a really poor investigator, or a really poor author.

I simply cannot believe that a former Intelligence Officer who had access to every gizmo imaginable would have struggled to put up $30 worth of motion activated cameras at his home. You can get such devices that are quite small....even smaller than a Go-Pro...I have some that are maybe one inch by one inch...yet give a good picture. As for not wanting to scare the kids...you can place them so they are barely seen. They're not big clunky obstructive devices like you see with some CCTV cameras....modern house monitoring devices are tiny...and cheap !

Elizondo had 6 years in which to do this, as he claims the orbs occurred between 2009 and 2015, roughly every few weeks. He's quite happy to rattle on about radar allegedly detecting UAPs descending from 80,000 feet to sea level in 1 second, yet can't be bothered to record allegedly strange phenomenon in his own home. That tells me all I need to know.
 
As for not wanting to scare the kids...you can place them so they are barely seen. They're not big clunky obstructive devices like you see with some CCTV cameras....modern house monitoring devices are tiny...and cheap !

Even if his supernatural/alien orbs could cloak themselves or something, he could have captured the "orbs" usually seen on cheap security cameras. ;) Bob Bigelow did at least that much.


Source: https://twitter.com/BigelowSpace/status/1175164725815959552
 
I've had such an encounter, twice actually, over back to back days. The second time some friends and I were sitting around playing PlayStation, in a weird coincidence I think it was Tony Hawk, when it floated over the TV set and blinked out like a light turning off. One of them actually took off and refused to visit again for a while

I don't think it's controversial to say people have experiences they themselves cannot explain. We all know how limited human perception and memory are. My issue with this new breed of UFO influencers are them providing nonsensical explanation for these rare occurrences.

I had the experience, during a thunderstorm back in the 1980s, where a close flash of lightning was immediately followed by an greenish-orange ball, about an inch across, that shot round the edges of the room at skirting board height. It moved about 20 feet in 2 seconds.

The house itself had not been hit and the actual flash of lightning must have been over 1000 feet away !

With the ball being at the same height as the electric wall plugs...which in the UK are about 6 inches above the floor...well, there's the first obvious clue. This is a known phenomenon...in fact you are not even 100% safe inside your own home during a thunderstorm. It goes to show that orbs flying about the house can occur and don't require aliens or the supernatural.

I have even on another occasion captured a lightning 'streamer' ( which heads upwards from the ground ) that occurred just before a nearby flash.....this streamer is just a few feet away !....

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I had the experience, during a thunderstorm back in the 1980s, where a close flash of lightning was immediately followed by an greenish-orange ball,
That's also exactly what one would see after the photographer snaps a photo with a flash bulb right in your eyes. If you happened to be looking at the spot that was then brilliantly lit by lightning, might that not be an artifact of your own retinal overload, known as "flash blindness"?

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Flash blindness is caused by bleaching (oversaturation) of the retinal pigment.[2] As the pigment returns to normal, so too does sight. In daylight the eye's pupil constricts, thus reducing the amount of light entering after a flash. At night, the dark-adapted pupil is wide open, so flash blindness has a greater effect and lasts longer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_blindness
 
That's also exactly what one would see after the photographer snaps a photo with a flash bulb right in your eyes. If you happened to be looking at the spot that was then brilliantly lit by lightning, might that not be an artifact of your own retinal overload, known as "flash blindness"?

No, it actually wasn't all that bright, and I was not looking at the main lightning flash. I was sitting in the kitchen looking into the dining room. This was during the daytime. The orb was only about the brightness of a 40w bulb...it moved very quickly around the edges of the room and stopped about 3 feet from where I was sitting.

The 'streamer' photographed above was a different event...in 2017...and is a frame from video. In fact there was a bright flash of lightning a second or so later, about 500 feet away. I only noticed the streamer when looking through the video frame by frame later. That streamer was only a few feet from where I was sitting. Fortunately the main lightning chose to follow the route of a different streamer and not that one !

There can't be many photographs taken that close to an upward streamer.
 
close flash of lightning was immediately followed by an greenish-orange ball, about an inch across, that shot round the edges of the room at skirting board height.

With the ball being at the same height as the electric wall plugs...well, there's the first obvious clue.

That's interesting. I still think ball lightning-type stuff "might be a thing", although I didn't know how scanty the documented evidence is until I read the MB thread When Ball Lightning Isn't Ball Lightning.

Did you (@Scaramanga) see the glow first appear? If so, was it near a plug socket? Were any fuses tripped / blown? What happened to it?

Ball lightning, as a phenomenon (or phenomena?) which might be studied if it's objectively real, suffers from the same contemporary "hobbling" as UFOs, i.e. all the fake footage and misidentifications that end up on YouTube etc.
Possibly accurate accounts of a real phenomenon, from which we might learn something about the real world, get diluted and lost amongst all the noise and nonsense.

If ball lightning is objectively real, in the sense that some physical process causes transient, glowing balls with a definite physical (not just perceived) location to occur, I still think it's unlikely that it can account for (1) the claimed frequency reported by Mr Elizondo in his home, (2) the unfortunate dogs, (3) Lue's strangely relaxed attitude about its presence and his failure to properly document it or involve outside investigators.
 
Ball lightning, as a phenomenon (or phenomena?) which might be studied if it's objectively real, suffers from the same contemporary "hobbling" as UFOs, i.e. all the fake footage and misidentifications that end up on YouTube etc.
Possibly accurate accounts of a real phenomenon, from which we might learn something about the real world, get diluted and lost amongst all the noise and nonsense.

If ball lightning is objectively real, in the sense that some physical process causes transient, glowing balls with a definite physical (not just perceived) location to occur,
The main problem with ball lightning (as with UAPs) is that it's likely caused by a number of different phenomena. Some of these have been demonstrated in the laboratory, but it's much harder catching it in the wild and attributing a mechanism to that sighting.
 
That's also exactly what one would see after the photographer snaps a photo with a flash bulb right in your eyes. If you happened to be looking at the spot that was then brilliantly lit by lightning, might that not be an artifact of your own retinal overload, known as "flash blindness"?
That was the first thing that went through my mind too. If it's moving then it happened slightly off-centre, such that as you direct your gaze towards it it simultaniously moves away...
 
That's interesting. I still think ball lightning-type stuff "might be a thing", although I didn't know how scanty the documented evidence is until I read the MB thread When Ball Lightning Isn't Ball Lightning.

Did you (@Scaramanga) see the glow first appear? If so, was it near a plug socket? Were any fuses tripped / blown? What happened to it?

It was all quite rapid, but it looked a bit like a fuse had been lit and the ball was travelling along it...so it was a ball travelling along a faint electric streak. It travelled about 20 feet in all....doing a right angle in the process, as it went along the skirting board of one wall, crossed a door, and then went along the skirting board of a wall at 90 degrees to that. And ended up just a few feet from where I was sitting in the kitchen.

Yes, it started near a wall socket, but did not end near one. It ended basically in the middle of the kitchen doorway ( which was just an arch with no door ). There

No fuses were tripped, and nothing was damaged.
 
The description of seeing coloured orbs of light has parallels in occult & early UFO literature. In fact early reports of UFO literature are simply technologised occultism based on a Theosophical worldview.

The question to ask about this is whether these parallels increase the likelihood of what Elizondo describes being real, because it's phenomena supported by other historical witness reports, or whether this new stuff he's reporting -at this late stage in his public statements- is simply carefully calibrated unfalsifiable embellishment to conform more fully with experiencer literature for the purpose of selling a book and promoting a dubious UFO threat narrative which is provided with full knowledge that these claims can't be tested. They're not measurable by cameras or science. (Even Uri Geller gave us some bent cutlery to ponder over).

UFO Percipients / Contactees

Some examples include:
  • Orfeo Angelucci - one of the earliest UFO contactees wrote in his book The Secret of the Saucers (1955) about green orbs descending to create a screen before communication with a UFO. (Carl Jung dedicates more than a dozen pages to Angelucci's story in this book Flying Saucers (1959)
Green orbs feature in his UFO encounter [bold added]:


Elsewhere the colour Green seems significant:

It appears to signify some kind of transmission / communication device:


A more closely matching description can be found in Jenny Randles research.

In The Pennine UFO Mystery (1983) we hear reports of:


Randles coins the term Psychic Toys to describe these orbs of light seen by UFO percipients.

Another witness says:


Alan Godfrey, police officer and UFO witness - under hypnosis describes a childhood 'dream' of a ball of light in his bedroom.

In John Mack's Abduction (1994) we see a similar description from an abductee:


Elsewhere, abductees refer to Tinkerbell-like dancing balls of light they'd seen in their youth.

In folklore

  • Green light emitted from Faery Knolls. Grassy hillocks which appear to emit light from open doorways, signifies some kind of window to another world.

Supposed medium Eileen Garret (1893-1970), wrote about a similar perception in her memoir Adventures in the Supernormal. [ISBN: 1-931747-01-6]
  • NB: Is this book what Elizondo is referring to in his attempt to distinguish "paranormal" from "supernormal"? (People living in earlier times couldn't understand today's tech e.g. a cell phone, but they'd still be able to measure it's dimensionality, colour weight etc - "paranormal" things defy all measurement (image capture), so I think he's simply wrong about that).
Here the 'Psychic Toys' are referred to as 'The Children'. In addition to seeing them she describes being able to see auras around people and plants (IIRC a concept later popularised by The Celestine Prophecy - James Redfield (1993)).

She also saw orbs or "Globules of light" in her home:



Additional suggested explanations:
  • Synesthesia (the crossover of senses i.e hearing colours, seeing sounds) although how this might be temporarily triggered in multiple witnesses in one location makes this seem unlikely.
  • Tectonic strain in rocks (earthlights).
    • John Keel referred to geographical areas that saw more psychic activity as "window areas" where people witnessed floating light balls.
  • Ball Lightning: For example see this survey of ~300 observations: Hungarian Ball Lightning Observations [See illustrations of the path some balls took, however Green is not part of the description] https://egely.hu/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/HungarianBallLightningObservationsKFKI-1987_LQ.pdf
To quote from it:
This is most consistent with temporal lobe epilepsy - specifically simple partial seizures. But edging toward complex partial seizure.

As I explained in another thread... I have first hand experience because I have idiopathic mesial temporal lobe epilepsy. (Although I seem to have outgrown it. Mostly.)

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/pattern-of-beeps-on-a-white-orb-video.13296/page-2#post-308055

Formed visual content (a distinct, glowing object) suggests involvement of association visual areas, likely in the temporal-occipital junction or posterior temporal lobe.

Vague blobs and so forth may be simple hallucinations... like flashing lights, static, or vague visual noise.

The feeling that the object is conscious or responsive is characteristic of temporal lobe phenomena, where limbic system activation (especially the amygdala and hippocampus) can blend memory, perception, and emotion.

"Zooming off" or sudden movement is common in hallucinations related to seizure activity.

The emotional or mystical quality - the sense of a presence or agency - is a known feature of temporal lobe epilepsy, especially of the right temporal lobe.

Formed hallucinations (like a colored orb) typically arise from ventral visual stream involvement.

The perceived intentionality or agency (e.g., "it reacts to my thoughts") implies paralimbic or limbic system activation — common in temporal lobe seizures.

No loss of consciousness suggests it could begin as a simple partial seizure (aura), or remain isolated in focal aware status.


I've been fascinated by my own experiences so I've put a good deal of effort into understanding this. So here goes...

The right temporal lobe plays a critical role in nonverbal, emotional, spatial, and holistic processing. Compared to the left hemisphere, the right is more specialized in integrating emotional and sensory information in a way that shapes intuitive and affective understanding of the world. Seizures originating in the right temporal lobe are more likely to produce affective or mystical experiences, including feelings of profound fear, awe, or spiritual insight. This region is closely tied to autobiographical memory, spatial awareness, and the brain's ability to distinguish between the self and others.

In my mid-teens and 20's I'd often get multiple sessions of this kind of mystical experience per day, which I labeled déjà vu, but was more in line with déjà vécu and Presque vu. With some jamai vu thrown in. Sometimes it was almost constant. Lasting about 20-30 seconds per session.

I often also saw sparkly blobs. Always green. And sometimes hovering around the heads of people. In ordinary situations during the day.

The amygdala and hippocampus are essential structures responsible for emotional salience and the binding of memories to emotional context. During a simple partial seizure (located in specific areas) these areas are hyperactivated. You can get a flood of intense emotional states such as fear, euphoria, or awe. Good luck for me, it was almost always awe. Or Sense of Wonder as we old-timey Science Fiction Fans called it. But I could get brief flashes of panic. Worse, I'd get feelings of sadness associated with feeling sorry for people or a kind of intense nostalgia.

You can also get vivid experiential hallucinations—perceptions that feel like real memories or emotionally charged visions. Mystical experiences. What you're thinking about at the moment is charged with Meaning. I can't explain it better than that. You just have to live it to understand it.

Hyperactivation can disrupt the normal boundary between the self and the external world, leading to the deeply felt impression that there is another presence in the room or that your thoughts are being observed or influenced by an external agent. I only got that during the boundary between sleep and wakefulness.


Another important structure is the temporo-parietal junction (TPJ). It integrates sensory and proprioceptive information, allowing the brain to maintain a stable sense of the body in space. When the TPJ is disturbed it can produce out-of-body experiences or the compelling illusion that another entity is nearby. I've had lots of out-of-body experiences, but only when about 3/4 to 9/10 asleep.

The sense of an external presence can arise because the brain misinterprets its own internal signals as coming from outside the self. The resulting perception can be so powerful and convincing that individuals describe it in spiritual, supernatural, or extraterrestrial terms.

In combination, the right temporal lobe, medial limbic structures (such as the amygdala and hippocampus), and the temporo-parietal junction form a network that, when dysregulated, can produce complex and emotionally charged hallucinations, mystical visions, and powerful sensations of being watched or accompanied by an unseen presence. These neurological events underscore how the brain constructs not only perception and memory but also the boundaries of selfhood and the social world.


Visual hallucinations
The ventral visual stream extends from the primary visual cortex (V1) in the occipital lobe forward through the inferior temporal lobe. The primary role is to recognize and assign meaning to visual stimuli: identifying objects, faces, shapes, colors, and complex patterns. While the dorsal stream processes spatial and motion-related aspects of vision ("where" and "how"), the ventral stream processes the content and identity of what is seen.

When this pathway is disrupted, spontaneous visual imagery can arise that is vivid and structured. For instance, a seizure discharging in the inferior temporal cortex (particularly in areas involved in object and face recognition, such as the fusiform gyrus) may result in the perception of glowing orbs, human-like figures, or even symbolic visions; called formed hallucinations because they are organized and resemble recognizable objects, as opposed to simple hallucinations (like flashing lights, static, or vague visual noise), which are usually produced by discharges in primary visual cortex (V1) or the dorsal stream.



It seems pretty solid to me that there's a strong connection between TPE and all sorts of Woo.
 
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