Debunked: Vimeo Video Proves Sandy Hook Was Preplanned

Mick West

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So the theory is that since the video is dated Nov 10th 2012, and the attack was on Dec 14th 2012, then this "proves" the attack was preplanned:

 
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Mick West

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Ah, it looks like in Vimeo you can replace an older video with a different file, and then edit the name, and it keeps the date of the original video as the upload date. So the explanations are:

A) It was deliberately back-dated as a hoax,
B) It was inadvertently back-dated as Ametrano did something like overwrite an old video to save space
C) Some bug

 
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Mick West

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Looks like the original was Dec 17th, according to his comment on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCokgkHOhGk


 

Mick West

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He's just updated the video with an explanation, which is B.

https://vimeo.com/53220123



 
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Mick West

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The original upload was done on Nov 10th, auto-tweeted:



https://twitter.com/bacmaster/status/267326143923904512

So it must have been some unimportant video that he overwrite later so as not to pay for bandwidth. Vimeo is limited to 500MB per week, so if you create a lot of movies in one week, then the only way to upload them all without paying extra is to overwrite old movies.
 
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Mick West

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He's made his Vimeo account and Twitter feed private now. He seemed quite upset by the attention.
 

FreiZeitGeist

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Great Debunking by Mick but a real bad story if this will end in a closing of the originated Channels.

What do you think our friends with the tinfoil-caps would think about this?

"The Video isn´t visible anymore! There is a Conspirancy running!!!!"
 
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adac

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The problem is still the twitter post https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/737508_488942644491498_215912594_o.jpg .
Because you can post a vimeo link on twitter and then on saving immediately the title and the description of the video is fetched and saved on twitter.

When you now exchange the video on vimeo that doesn't seem to affect the old previously fetched twitter title and description from the old video. See: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...7073092.106418.296574443728320&type=1&theater

Can you try to explain and debunk that?
 

Mick West

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The problem is still the twitter post https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/737508_488942644491498_215912594_o.jpg .
Because you can post a vimeo link on twitter and then on saving immediately the title and the description of the video is fetched and saved on twitter.

When you now exchange the video on vimeo that doesn't seem to affect the old previously fetched twitter title and description from the old video. See: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...7073092.106418.296574443728320&type=1&theater

Can you try to explain and debunk that?
yes:


In the image above, the black rectangle with the Vimeo video is linked directly to Vimeo, so it's always current (technically it's an "iframe" element). But the text below it is stored and fetched in twitter, so it's not as current as the direct Vimeo video. It will only get updated when (and if) Twitter re-reads the description.

So, it looks like the change is not immediate. The old description seems to stay there for a while. I suspect this is because Twitter is caching the old description to avoid having to re-read it from Vimeo every time the tweet is displayed. This saves bandwidth, and is a cost and performance optimization.

https://twitter.com/dutchsinse/status/288902138724245504


So the question would be how the cache gets updated. There seem to be three possible things going on:

A) The cache is updated only when someone views the media attached to the tweet, then it's "stuck" on that version
B) The cache is updated periodically, say every 24 or 48 hours, after it expires.
C) The cache is updated only when it's viewed after the cache has been flushed

If A is the case, then the description is not going to change, and the reason the Ametrano video has the new description is that nobody viewed that original "My Video" tweet's Vimeo media until after the title had been changed, so it got stuck on the second version. Another experiment would confim if this is the case (you'd need a twitter account that had no followers, to ensure nobody looked at the tweet's media).

I suspect B is most likely, as caches usually work with an expiration time. So we just have to wait a day or two, and the dutchsinse tweet will eventually refresh with the new description (assuming dutch does not realize this, and takes it down to hide this). It might take longer though, as media titles are things that are unlikely to change, so the cache time-out might be set for a week or more.
 
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Mick West

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Okay, I created a test account, tweeted a link to the video, and it got the new description:

https://twitter.com/MickWest6/status/289498860135518208


More importantly, when I looked at dutch's twitter feed, it was now updated to the new description, proving twitter vimeo descriptions can be updated after the initial tweet:

as of 2:20PM Jan 10 2012
https://twitter.com/dutchsinse/status/288902138724245504


Hence, it was just being cached on Twitter, and either my new tweeting of the video flushed the cache, or it just expired naturally.

Either way, it's debunked.
 
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adac

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Thank you.

my first thought also was about a cache that is periodically updated with title and description. In the meanwhile dutch'es vimeo tweet has been (automagically) refetched and new title is there. So this looks like as if it is debunked.

However what we not know for sure: Did twitter always do update the cached that before today ;-)
 

Mick West

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Dutch has deleted his posts about this, seeming to claim that the Twitter post had been retroactively changed.



In reality NOTHING changed in the tweet. The tweet is exactly as it was. All that changed was the description of the video that the tweet linked to, and that was simply not updated immediately, as it was cached.
 
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Anonymous012

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Did anyone do this debunking as well? The reason I posted in here because you guys were talking about the dates, so this is like one of them even though it's different subject!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn848Pd_xMQ&list=FLSYEEnTsfvmSRHY-F0NxRAg&index=3
Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED! PART 2/2

It has other stuff in the video, but this guy shows that Union Way of Western Connecticut was scamming people for donations because their link was posted on December 11, 2012. I think Google fixed it by now, but the nay-sayers still believe it's a "cover up."
United Way of Western Youtube Clip.jpg


Here's the donation page: https://newtown.uwwesternct.org/ When I was investigating, I had to click on Facebook, and found this reply, a few days ago. 01.08.2013

Here's their Facebook response:
UntitledWay of Western Connecticut Facebook Response.jpg
Source: https://www.facebook.com/pages/United-Way-of-Western-Connecticut/44789157732?ref=hl
It looked like an issue was from Google's problem, and not the United Way of Western Connecticut.

And here's another one that can be debatable, it's from the same guy who upload the video one I've posted up top.
Youtube Video Screen Shot.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JgnpKR1-jg
Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED! PART 1/2

On video 0:44, he's talkin about a lady name Desaree Juarez who had a GoFundMe site, and she put down asking for donation for the victims of Sandy Hook; however, it was created on 12.13.2012.

Here's the Google Search I did:

Desaree Juarez Google Search.jpg

Edit on picture: *The day I view the video....

The page is no longer available; however, there's always Google cache:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...y-hook-victims-fund+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

In her defense: http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Bay-Area-Responds-to-26Acts-of-Kindness-183989591.html
She left a comment about why her GoFundMe page was made on 12.13.2012
Desaree Juarez Response.jpg

However, I don't know how legit she is, but just saying that because GoFundMe can have legit people or have scammers. Her GoFundMe page was down, but it's either due to harassment, or it was due to something else. And if GoFundMe allows you to replace pages and keep the same date, this could be debunked as well. :confused: However, the first one is more understandable as it was Google's fault, and I'm pretty sure both sides keep their e-mail as proof of evidence.
 

jvnk08

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Did anyone do this debunking as well? The reason I posted in here because you guys were talking about the dates, so this is like one of them even though it's different subject!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn848Pd_xMQ&list=FLSYEEnTsfvmSRHY-F0NxRAg&index=3
Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED! PART 2/2

It has other stuff in the video, but this guy shows that Union Way of Western Connecticut was scamming people for donations because their link was posted on December 11, 2012. I think Google fixed it by now, but the nay-sayers still believe it's a "cover up."
View attachment 1402


Here's the donation page: https://newtown.uwwesternct.org/ When I was investigating, I had to click on Facebook, and found this reply, a few days ago. 01.08.2013

Here's their Facebook response:
View attachment 1401
Source: https://www.facebook.com/pages/United-Way-of-Western-Connecticut/44789157732?ref=hl
It looked like an issue was from Google's problem, and not the United Way of Western Connecticut.
Google has trouble with dynamic pages. You can check out this search on google:

https://www.google.com/search?q=san...=cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/2012,cd_max:12/10/2012&tbm=

Note the 4th link down, discussing the supposed foreknowledge of the event itself.....on Dec 2nd.
 

Anonymous012

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Google has trouble with dynamic pages. You can check out this search on google:

https://www.google.com/search?q=sandy+hook+massacre&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1366&bih=677&sa=X&ei=Pr71UOabMKLV0QW28YCYBg&ved=0CB0QpwUoBg&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F2012%2Ccd_max%3A12%2F10%2F2012&tbm=

Note the 4th link down, discussing the supposed foreknowledge of the event itself.....on Dec 2nd.
Thank you for this! lol! Oh wow on the dated links! Here's the 4th link if this is the one you're refering to: http://philosophers-stone.co.uk/wor...-massacre-evidence-of-official-foreknowledge/ The person wrote it on December 21. In a joking way, Google's mix-match of incorrect dates; it's like they can predict things before they even happen! Google sees all! :D
 

methinks

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Good job. I debunked this one in less then 5 minutes after YouTube hoaxter "MaxMalone" went nuts over it. Glad to see others actually do more then watch the YouTube videos before joining the chorus.
 
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