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Debunked: MH370 Passenger Philip Wood sends Photo/Text from Diego Garcia [Fake EXIF GPS Data]

Tommy

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I have a question, Couldnt Mr. Woods cellphone records validate whether the plea he allegedly sent is a fake or not? If a message was sent, the phone records would have that information as well as what or if anything was in,fact sent on the 18th...just saying...has anyone at all checked into this type of inquiry?
 
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WeedWhacker

Senior Member
Oh, it was a typo..the word is wether...not weather..
Oh...sorry! I was thinking that maybe it was about seeing if the records of the weather on that day at Diego Garcia matched. LOL, I keep imagining how those phones ('Siri') can do almost anything.

But, anyways...would be futile because the 'Picasa' clue in the EXIF data proves the fakery.
 

Tommy

New Member
Oh, it was a typo..the word is wether...not weather.. To check phone records to confirm any transmitions were in fact sent on the 18th from his phone service provider..it would include any calls made or texts and media sent from his phone..also ISP address if it was sent through wifi access..the records shows all information...this information is used in courts all the time when a crime is commited for it is factual evidence. Also every new generation IPhone has a GPS locator to show its location, even if powered down, it shows the last known location through Icloud. Android devices have similar locators...even if you disable the locator it is still accessible information for 911 (authoroties) to find you...the records ftom the cell service records it all and is time stamped. If there was anything coming from his phone, it will be substantiated there. If there is nothing in the records, then it is more than likely a hoax..either way, it is undefeatable proof.
 

Mick West

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Oh, it was a typo..the word is wether...not weather.. To check phone records to confirm any transmitions were in fact sent on the 18th from his phone service provider..it would include any calls made or texts and media sent from his phone..also ISP address if it was sent through wifi access..the records shows all information...this information is used in courts all the time when a crime is commited for it is factual evidence. Also every new genrration IPhone has a GPS locator to show its location, even if powered down, it shows the last known location through Icloud. Android devices have similar locators...even if you disable the locator it is still accessible information for 911 (authoroties) to find you...the records ftom the cell service records it all and is time stamped. If there was anything coming from his phone, it will be substantiated there. If there is nothing in the records, then it is more than likely a hoax..either way, it is undefeatable proof.
But it has already been shown to be fake.
 

Balance

Senior Member
I have a question, Couldnt Mr. Woods cellphone records validate whether the plea he allegedly sent is a fake or not? If a message was sent, the phone records would have that information as well as what or if anything was in,fact sent on the 18th...just saying...has anyone at all checked into this type of inquiry?
AFAICT, the original post was not an SMS text, but a posting to 4chan forum, with the photo uploaded.
 

Tommy

New Member
Maybe so, but his device as well as at least a hundred other devices of the 239 on board can be tracked though their service carriers on that plane, and my question has anyone looked into this type of inquiry? His phone records as well as the other passengers wont lie but factual help in finding their whereabouts..has anyone bothered to research this?
 

Svartbjørn

Senior Member
AFAICT, the original post was not an SMS text, but a posting to 4chan forum, with the photo uploaded.
For those of you not familiar with 4chan and why the information being sent there FIRST is an issue, here's a run down on the history of the site:

I dont like using wiki for the most part, but the information for this particular subject is verifiable (check the biblio at the bottom of the article) and accurate to the best of my knowledge.

TLDR:

4chan is a troll site.. literally. It started out as an image board for manga and anime, but changed pretty quickly. 4chan is where the group Anonymous came from.. if you can actually call them a group since there's no heirarchy. 4chan has had its good sides.. theyve been involved in instigating several child porn related arrests by providing information to the police.. mostly through datamining and general hacking skills.

What 4chan is really known for tho, is its trolling. 4chan has several boards that are basically their own websites.. kind of. Check the link above for a better description. Boards on that site are notorious for starting hoaxes about deaths, kidnappings.. all kinds of weird things and its done "for the lulz." Given that this information came to 4chan and not to family members first, or to the mainstream media, or a friend/relative of the victim in question.. AND given the fact that the data file can and was altered in Picasa.. its fake, and it was done because some kid thought itd be funny. LIke I said, if you want to know more about 4chan, read the link above and go check out the site.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
Maybe so, but his device as well as at least a hundred other devices of the 239 on board can be tracked though their service carriers on that plane, and my question has anyone looked into this type of inquiry? His phone records as well as the other passengers wont lie but factual help in finding their whereabouts..has anyone bothered to research this?
Yes. There have been several articles about this:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/g...nes-flight-mh370/story-fn6vihic-1226856877396

The investigators would have checked for phone connections already. Nothing was found:
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-been-keeping-information-secret-9214930.html
http://www.nst.com.my/business/latest/triangulation-using-cell-phones-fails-1.520250
 
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Soulfly

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CNN's Jake Tapper just did a piece on this theory. Didn't go into the data that is proven to be false though.
 

solidone45

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I love how you all are saying because it can be a hoax then it is a hoax.truth is an airplane seemingly disappeared and hasn't been found but thank you I've been reading about it everyday and finally i know the plane has to be in the ocean and anyone who thinks there could be a government coverup is crazy,because our government would never lie to us haha,bottom one ANYTHING is possible until they find the plane
 

Svartbjørn

Senior Member
I love how you all are saying because it can be a hoax then it is a hoax.truth is an airplane seemingly disappeared and hasn't been found but thank you I've been reading about it everyday and finally i know the plane has to be in the ocean and anyone who thinks there could be a government coverup is crazy,because our government would never lie to us haha,bottom one ANYTHING is possible until they find the plane
Actually what youll find, if you take the time to read instead of TLDR, is that the only thing being stated as a hoax is the situation surrounding the phone.

Lets imagine for a moment that this is 100% legit...Explain this to me:

An aircraft is hijacked in midair by a government with ill intent. Is everyone on board a part of the conspiracy? Let's assume they arent since this particular individual managed to smuggle a photo out to the world. How long do you think the passengers had to realize that the plane was being taken over? Did commandos just leap up out of the seats and go all Pulp Fiction Intro? If they did, how did our man here get his iphone up his ass? Was he already in the lavatory?

Let's imagine for a moment that he was already in the lavatory and the Commandos DID just leap up and go all Pulp Fiction. What do you think his first reaction is going to be? Im sure that every single one of here would have the instantaneous gut reaction to cram a foreign object the size of a brick right up our backside... because thats exactly what anyone would do in a situation like that. Let's take it a step further.. WHY would his reaction be to stuff his phone up his rear end? Must be because he thinks he can use his phone later on. Sure that's reasonable.. but if that's the case why didnt he turn the GPS on so that he could be located?

IIRC Iphones use satellite GPS in concert with cellular towers to provide location data, which can be reversed to locate the phone itself. If thats the case, why wasnt the GPS turned on? Surely our guy must have known that the world would be looking for them, and that since he had the presence of mind to shove the phone into his rectum, he would have had the same mind to turn on the GPS?

Further to that, how did our guy protect the phone? He must have had some sandwich bags or plastic wrap handy in the lavatory to wrap the phone up so that it could be used later. Let's move on though.

How long do you think it took our hero to insert the phone into his rectum? A second or two? A minute? Several minutes? Now.. I dunno about you, but I seem to recall from highschool biology that the muscles surrounding the rectum apply an outward contraction and that because the sphincter is used for evacuation, the body's immediate response to insertion of objects is to tighten down.

Try taking a visit to the ER sometime on a ride along with paramedics.. talk to the doctors and nurses that remove foreign objects from rectums on a regular basis and ask them how their patients were feeling. You dont insert something the size of a brick up your keister without a LOT of discomfort, pain and tearing of the rectal tissue. So before you decide whether we're right or wrong "just because we say so..." remember that the vast majority of what we do here, is research. Familiarize yourself with Occam's Razor and the Scientific Method and inform yourself with a little research.

This is a really nice story, and it makes someone out to be a hero in a very bad situation, but the reality is.. if the plane is being taken over, you're not going to be relaxed enough to fit something THAT large up your ass in the time it takes for a man to walk down the aisle, open the door and yank your half naked butt out of the lav and toss you into a seat... or kill you.
 

James Collinson

New Member
Admin Edit by @Mick West: Since the entired theory rests on the claim is that the Exif data proves the location, this claim has been debunked by post #9, which demonstrates that Exif data can be easily changed.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/de...photo-text-from-diego-garcia.3397/#post-98709


Material from the thread reproduced here for reference:

It's nonsense because it's so easy to fake GPS EXIF data. Here's the same "photo" with the EXIF moved to the Flamingo hotel in Las Vegas:




Since it's such a trivial thing to fake, and combined with the ridiculous narrative of smugging an iPhone 5 up his rectum, and the image being black (iPhone 5 has a flash) the only sensible conclusion is that this is a hoax.

The originally posted photo seems to have been clumsily faked using the free software "Picasa", which left an indication in the EXIF data, adds extra "Photoshop" metadata, and stores the GPS data in a different format.


OP Follows:
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http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2014/...neer-successfully-dialed-out-of-diego-garcia/

This is so preposterous yet it's gone viral as so many are willing to believe it. I'm particularly sad about such conspiracy theories because of the effects it has on the relatives - such as told by Philip Woods partner Sarah Bajc here
I feel this CT merits a full debunk if possible. Unfortunately, I'm not experienced enough to do it alone so please, make it so?
So, Mick, you're saying that the U.S. government has secret teleportation technology and they've transported the prisoner from Diego Garcia to Fun City? We're through the looking glass here, people.

Really, just about anyone with a hex editor and a little time can modify exif data. Obvious hoax.
It's nonsense because it's so easy to fake GPS EXIF data. Here's the same "photo" with the EXIF moved to the Flamingo hotel in Las Vegas:




Since it's such a trivial thing to fake, the only sensible conclusion is that this is a hoax.
I'm curious to know the procedure for obtaining the exact latitude and longitude (down to hundredths of a second) for a building such as the Flamingo Hotel in Las Vegas, or more importantly if you are planning a hoax, a particular building near the runways on Diego Garcia.
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
I'm curious to know the procedure for obtaining the exact latitude and longitude (down to hundredths of a second) for a building...
I don't believe it's all that difficult. Observe this Forum elsewhere discussing GPS coordinates and how to interpret them:

http://www.specialstage.com/forums/...-standard-display-for-GPS-LAT-LON-coordinates

Keep in mind that one second of latitude = just a little over 100 feet. (Based on the Nautical Mile length of 6,076 feet).
So, when in the vicinity (in one second of latitude), then tenths and hundredths are just "gravy". Also, recall that degrees/seconds of longitude vary with latitude, though equal at the Equator.
 

jaydeehess

Senior Member
I don't believe it's all that difficult. Observe this Forum elsewhere discussing GPS coordinates and how to interpret them:

http://www.specialstage.com/forums/...-standard-display-for-GPS-LAT-LON-coordinates

Keep in mind that one second of latitude = just a little over 100 feet. (Based on the Nautical Mile length of 6,076 feet).
So, when in the vicinity (in one second of latitude), then tenths and hundredths are just "gravy". Also, recall that degrees/seconds of longitude vary with latitude, though equal at the Equator.
I'd add in
http://www.longitudestore.com/how-big-is-one-gps-degree.html
 

Mark Barrington

Active Member
Most GIS software allows you to drop a pin on the map surface and the attributes of that marker will contain the coordinates. If you use Google Maps you can right click on any desired spot and you get a dialog. Select the 'What's Here" option and you'll get a little info widget with some information about the spot you clicked on, including the coordinates in digital degrees.
 

maac

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There is an apparent consensus among most contributors that the message was a fake, and plenty of reasons have been given. But my question is this - if a fake message was sent, why was it sent? If the theory of a human intervention and diversion to Diego Garcia is actually correct, perhaps it would serve the perpetrators' purposes to create a double bluff by deliberately circulating a hoax, so that this possibility is discredited?
 

Mark Barrington

Active Member
There is an apparent consensus among most contributors that the message was a fake, and plenty of reasons have been given. But my question is this - if a fake message was sent, why was it sent? If the theory of a human intervention and diversion to Diego Garcia is actually correct, perhaps it would serve the perpetrators' purposes to create a double bluff by deliberately circulating a hoax, so that this possibility is discredited?
You're overthinking the motivations. It's pretty obvious that it was done for the lulz, and judging by the traffic it's generated, it's been a very successful troll. I'm sure the original hoaxer is having a grand time reading all of the message threads generated by his simple little fakery.
 

maac

New Member
You're overthinking the motivations. It's pretty obvious that it was done for the lulz, and judging by the traffic it's generated, it's been a very successful troll. I'm sure the original hoaxer is having a grand time reading all of the message threads generated by his simple little fakery.
Perhaps I am ... but unless I missed something, I don't think I saw one previous post that considered the motive for the hoax. I think this was worth some thought in a couple of posts, and I'm glad you joined me in sharing your thoughts.
 

maac

New Member
How on earth would this hoax discredit anything other than non-skeptics?
If the scenario in the message (i.e. a plane load of people imprisoned on Diego Garcia) was actually true - and I'm not saying it is - could it be useful for the perpetrators to send out the hoax message? The message then gets exposed as a hoax, so the scenario in the message is dismissed (discredited), even though it is true? Just a thought.
 

Balance

Senior Member
could it be useful for the perpetrators to send out the hoax message?
Are you seriously suggesting this "ruse" could in any way fool the investigation teams and intelligence services of all interested countries to stop them investigating the possibility?

Or are you asking if joe public might be fooled? Obviously that is possible but I doubt the people with resources and means to carry out such an elaborate plan would be so bothered by joe, would they?
 
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maac

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Are you seriously suggesting this "ruse" could in any way fool the intelligence services of all interested countries to stop them investigating the possibility?
No, I'm not seriously suggesting anything, just thinking through whether there might be any other motivation for the hoax other than the obvious one. But intelligence services have been known to fail. As for Joe, they might be interested in the general direction of public opinion, if that served their purposes.
 
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WeedWhacker

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- if a fake message was sent, why was it sent?
As "Mark Barrington" already pointed out (Post #100) - on the Internet, anyone might think they're a 'comedian'. (Sometimes, their attempt at "humor" goes too far).

And, also as pointed out, this behavior can carry the moniker "troll". In fact, the term "troll" is evolving, even now......
 

maac

New Member
As "Mark Barrington" already pointed out (Post #100) - on the Internet, anyone might think they're a 'comedian'. (Sometimes, their attempt at "humor" goes too far).

And, also as pointed out, this behavior can carry the moniker "troll". In fact, the term "troll" is evolving, even now......
I couldn't agree more, nothing funny about the whole situation.
 

Svartbjørn

Senior Member
Perhaps I am ... but unless I missed something, I don't think I saw one previous post that considered the motive for the hoax. I think this was worth some thought in a couple of posts, and I'm glad you joined me in sharing your thoughts.

If you go back and look maac, you'll see that several of us pointed out that the hoax was most likely perpetrated for "the lulz". Kinda have to be familiar with the people that inhabit certain dark corners of 4chan to really understand the motivation
 

maac

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If you go back and look maac, you'll see that several of us pointed out that the hoax was most likely perpetrated for "the lulz". Kinda have to be familiar with the people that inhabit certain dark corners of 4chan to really understand the motivation
I do accept that this is the most likely motive for the hoax, but was just considering if there might be an alternative motive, however unlikely. I agree that such a hoax done for laughs is appalling. I hope the mystery is solved soon, for the sake of relatives.
 

Svartbjørn

Senior Member
I completely agree with ya maac.. the unfortunate part is, I dont think there's any evidence to suggest anything other than lulziness. Would be nice if we were wrong.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
Updated the OP with some info on iPhone EXIF editors, and how to fake the GPS undetectably using cut-and-paste in a hex editor.
 

Soulfly

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You new to the internetz? This sort of thing has become a way of life for some people- quite a few of them, even. It's an entire sub-culture and it's not going away.
It kind of falls in with the fear porn. I'm reminded of a song.
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/tool/vicarious.html
 

Mick West

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Staff member
The theory continues to be pushed on this Facebook page. At this point I have to think he's just trolling, and I'll leave it at that.
https://www.facebook.com/PhilipWoodPost/posts/268476643327152?
 
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Balance

Senior Member
"All the logical paths of reasoning...." also includes an insertion of another kind involving a large rectangular iPhone and a small orifice. Perhaps this persona would be so kind as to carry out his own tests on that theory for completeness sake? And for it to be a more realistic test, perhaps have someone threatening his life while he/she attempts said insertion? It wouldn't surprise if retrieval would require some outside medical assistance.
 
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