Debunked: Look-Up.org.uk Alleged "spray pipes" on A-320 are Pylon Drains

My pylon drains before flight

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After a 9 hour flight..leaking like a sieve.

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At Burbank CA, (BUR) Bob Hope Airport (and other smaller airports nationwide) passengers walk onto the field, and up exterior mobile passenger airstairs, to board the plane.....forward door, and/or aft door.
As a regular guy, I've always wanted to take pics of the engines and wings.
At BUR, they're mostly 737's.


....however, I wonder how long I would be able to do so, before raising a flag. I suppose if I chatted with the pilot before-hand, he could stand with me.....maybe make a short video. Pilots are usually very friendly, although this may seem unusual.
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Leifer said:
As a regular guy, I've always wanted to take pics of the engines and wings.
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Well, that shot is a blast from the past. (737)...America West (IATA code -HP) merged into USAirways some time ago. The USAir IATA code ('US') was kept ('HP' dropped). However, because of the controlling management (and FAA Flight Operations parameters) the America West FAA flight standards and operational procedures were retained, thus the ICAO designation is 'AWE' (ICAO are all 3 letters), and the radio call sign "Cactus" as well.

American Airlines will, of course, change all of that, folding USAir into their Flight Standards.

Digression complete: Now...two ideas: If you board through an aft-entry door, then perhaps a zoom lens will do the trick? A brief stop, just don't wander all over the ramp!! ;)

For a forward-entry door, maybe could ask a ramper who wasn't busy (although, at that point, they usually are).
 
(yes, old photo.......SW, JetBlue, Delta , AA, etc.... are the major carriers out of BUR these days.)

Chatting with pilots who are seen waiting at the same gate as myself, is rather interesting.
My last flight (bumped) I had a great chat with the pilot (also bumped), and a traveling airline attendant, who was seated next to me on the new flight.. I did not bring-up "chemtrails", but we talked about airlines, and the planes.
(I'm getting off topic)

I guess if I had a point to make here...sometimes just asking employees...pilots and other aircraft employees, they are willing to engage in simple one-on-one chat, or more intense technical chat IF you peak their interest as a passenger who is semi-versed (and interested) in the workings of the aircraft they fly.
 
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GE GENX. Brand new engine. See anything exciting Ian?

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Trent XWB. New engine. Not yet in operational use as A350 is still in test program.

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Before you get too excited.. the smoke from the right hand side is from an oil drain. Roll Royce engines are reknown for smoke coming from this point whilst the engines are idling. The engine seals operate at max efficiency when the engine is running at high RPMs.

www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/print.main?id=192170

Here is an XWB cutaway showing the oil resevoir and the breather pipe.

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TWCobra said:
GE GENX. Brand new engine. See anything exciting Ian?

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Trent XWB. New engine. Not yet in operational use as A350 is still in test program.

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Before you get too excited.. the smoke from the right hand side is from an oil drain. Roll Royce engines are reknown for smoke coming from this point whilst the engines are idling. The engine seals operate at max efficiency when the engine is running at high RPMs.

www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/print.main?id=192170

Here is an XWB cutaway showing the oil resevoir and the breather pipe.

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I bet that jagged edge is designed to disperse the chemtrail better. ;)
 
Gridlock said:
Pilot (Not Flying) has many meanings then :)
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The pilot in my case, could not fly to his final destination......and the plane was deemed grounded. He had no plane to fly......and was waiting for an overnight hotel confirmation.
 
Hi all, I'm new to these conspiracy theories regarding "chemtrails", as a licenced aircraft engineer and qualified pilot in the UK can you imagine my amazement of find at least 3 aircraft that i have spent many years maintaining in some cases 2-3 times during a shift depending on length of sectors flown on the website look-up.org.uk
So i thought it only sensible that i point out to them they were in fact very incorrect on the statements they have made, i then proceeded to tag their photos on Facebook with about 10 other guys i work with so they too good reiterate that they are incorrect. it wasn't long before my posts were deleted and my colleagues posts too. it seems they do not want to discuss their claims with actual experts and would rather continue making ridiculous claims.
 
Welcome to the site!

I'm sure Mr Simpson has his reasons, but I'm not sure they stand up to scrutiny. Certainly he appears to care more about his narrative than anything that challenges it. The reasons for this are unknown, be they psychological or financial, but nice to have more evidence that he can't stand criticism.

We'll stick your Illuminati membership card in the post ;)
 
VNe said:
Hi all, I'm new to these conspiracy theories regarding "chemtrails", as a licenced aircraft engineer and qualified pilot in the UK can you imagine my amazement of find at least 3 aircraft that i have spent many years maintaining in some cases 2-3 times during a shift depending on length of sectors flown on the website look-up.org.uk
So i thought it only sensible that i point out to them they were in fact very incorrect on the statements they have made, i then proceeded to tag their photos on Facebook with about 10 other guys i work with so they too good reiterate that they are incorrect. it wasn't long before my posts were deleted and my colleagues posts too. it seems they do not want to discuss their claims with actual experts and would rather continue making ridiculous claims.
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Perhaps you could place the posts here so we can see if Ian was reasonable in deleting them.
 
Landru said:
Perhaps you could place the posts here so we can see if Ian was reasonable in deleting them.
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well the posts were on photos so not 100% sure what they were as they were deleted but.
picture of an A340, along the lines of i have worked on this aircraft as has _____ _____ ______ _____ _____ _____ _____ and were must be terribly stupid and never noticed the chemtrail system whilst perform engine and airframe maintenance.
picture of an A330. Pretty much the same as above.
picture of an easyjet aircraft, along the lines of well i was thought this pylon drain was of standard but then i suppose ______ and _____ could have fitted them without be noticing.
picture of the baggage containers being loaded i tagged some baggage handlers and turn around co-ordinators so they could possibly air their point of view.
this was pretty much how they read. and I'm not sure what my colleagues wrote as their posts were deleted before i had a chance to read them.
 
hemi said:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1413380088901183&id=1410029482561123&stream_ref=10

And now that's gone too. All dissenting voices removed and (presumably) banned. Here's a screen grab of some of the comments that have since disappeared.

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I could see why he would delete that, he pretty much got torn apart by the two posters. His "They'd just land and call a doctor" argument was especially laughable. Ian obviously has absolutely no idea about an airliner's maximum structural landing weights, let alone anything about aviation. You can tell when his argument is truly falling apart when he starts with the "hahaha everybody, look at this idiot" or "ARE YOU RETARDED?" tactics, trying to get his followers on the page to back him up and pile on his opponent since he can't debunk the facts himself. I am not sure what he thinks a "fake profile" is.
 
Yes indeed, that FB page titled "Look-Up.org-uk" is an exercise in futility...

The "owner" of the site, and FB page, is permanently ill-informed RE: the facts of aviation, and reality of how it actually works.

The "January 9 11:24 PM" post by "Look-Up" is particularly telling (and loathsomely disingenuous):
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For the record I have deleted all the distracting comments. We do not believe fuel dumping is is {sic} happeing {sic} here, or anywhere else as it is an extremely rare occurrance {sic} only ever used in extreme emergencies when a plane is likely to crash so as to reduce fire risk. The video links posted here have been manipulated to say the least, but we have left the video links and will investigate further when we get time. As more and more people realise what is going on shills are becoming increasingly desperate in thier {sic} attempts to explain away what we see, but by the same token we have to prove to the public and ourselves we are right so thats {sic} what we will do.
A) The video under discussion is obviously fuel being dumped (jettisoned) overboard, every experienced airline pilot in the world can recognize this.

B) Fuel jettison events described as "extremely rare" is inexact. Since only selected versions of airplanes have this capability. In general, most "wide-body" types (twin aisle interior seating arrangement)....but then only when an emergency situation requires an unscheduled landing, and then only when their actual Gross weight is above their Maximum Gross Landing weight...

C) (Cont)...and, NO! Pilots do not begin to jettison fuel "just before they crash"!! This is patently absurd, since the majority of aviation accidents occur due to pilot error, when they are not anticipating a crash!!


Another bit of nonsense post, directed towards "Chris Frostick":

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Chris Frostick as far as we know, most pilots are not (officially) aware as the systems are automated or remote controlled, though many secretly know or suspect at least. As far as leaked, well the industry is awash with rumour, but fear abounds as many have been threatened we hear. It does seem strange, but them {sic} compartmentalisation, bribery, financial incentives, blackmail or bullying... we don't know exactly, but we feel the damn {sic} will burst soon, as so many people are putting pressure on the authorities and airlines to speak up. All it takes is one, and we are off. Look-Up has been considering a whistle-blower compensation program, but we need some major backing before we can do this. Soon hopefully.
"Look-Up" must be getting desperate...rather than actually doing real research, seems it's easier to just pull stuff out of one's posterior, and pass it off as a "fact":

NO!! Fuel jettisoning is NOT "automated" and certainly NOT "remote controlled". When are aircraft required to dump fuel for emergency landings?

An image of a B777 Fuel System Panel (The Jettison controls at top):
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Note that there are TWO 'Nozzle' switches, safety capped to prevent accidental activation. In the case of this example (B777), there is an "automatic" aspect, but only if the crew had selected it to the "ARM" mode prior to take-off. The system senses an engine failure during the take-off, and thus will begin the jettison process (to alleviate flight crew workload in an emergency). The crew IS ALERTED to this fact on the forward instrument panel....and also an aural chime. Some airplanes have a dedicated "ON/OFF" switch, which if not selected "ON" will not allow the jettison nozzle valves to open. This B777 panel has the knob that is pulled out to manually selected the "ON" mode, and as you see the amount of fuel remaining that is required can be controlled automatically...allowing for less need for supervision by the flight crew.

ALL of this information (and much, much more) is easily obtained from, and verified on, the Internet.

Now, to the claim "the industry is awash with rumour"? Utter rubbish! Also, claims of "bribery....blackmail or bullying..." are absurd!

One statement I can pick out of that, though, which is correct: "we don't know exactly". No truer words have tumbled forth from the "Look-Up" site.

I'd really enjoy an opportunity for the owner of "Look-Up" to visit an airline pilots' lounge somewhere...what I'd enjoy is attending!!
 
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hemi said:
His latest "Easyjet are storing the chemicals in the front cargo hold" post
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This is extremely laughable, and another sign of increasing desperation....grasping. The signs indicate merely the floor load limits of that particular compartment, along with other sorts of normal "airplane placard" verbiage. It looks like the arrangement of the A320 places the FWD Cargo Door opening very close to the electronics bay, under and behind the cockpit. Therefore, no heavy items would be allowed forward of the other net you see on the left (aft) of the door opening.

Most people do not know that although there is only one door to such a baggage hold, it is (for Weight & Balance purposes) considered as "two areas" on some airplanes. This will vary by airplane model.

Here is the internal arrangement for the A320:

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You can follow this PDF link to Page #7 and learn ALL ABOUT the normal cargo-loading procedures for the A320.
http://www.fly-car.de/local/media/formulare/airbusindustries.pdf

EDIT: Is this latest "gish-gallop" an indication that the original topic's claim ("alleged "spray pipes" on engine pylons) is being abandoned?
 
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WeedWhacker said:
Yes indeed, that FB page titled "Look-Up.org-uk" is an exercise in futility...

The "owner" of the site, and FB page, is permanently ill-informed RE: the facts of aviation, and reality of how it actually works.

The "January 9 11:24 PM" post by "Look-Up" is particularly telling (and loathsomely disingenuous):
External Quote:
For the record I have deleted all the distracting comments. We do not believe fuel dumping is is {sic} happeing {sic} here, or anywhere else as it is an extremely rare occurrance {sic} only ever used in extreme emergencies when a plane is likely to crash so as to reduce fire risk. The video links posted here have been manipulated to say the least, but we have left the video links and will investigate further when we get time. As more and more people realise what is going on shills are becoming increasingly desperate in thier {sic} attempts to explain away what we see, but by the same token we have to prove to the public and ourselves we are right so thats {sic} what we will do.
A) The video under discussion is obviously fuel being dumped (jettisoned) overboard, every experienced airline pilot in the world can recognize this.

B) Fuel jettison events described as "extremely rare" is inexact. Since only selected versions of airplanes have this capability. In general, most "wide-body" types (twin aisle interior seating arrangement)....but then only when an emergency situation requires an unscheduled landing, and then only when their actual Gross weight is above their Maximum Gross Landing weight...

C) (Cont)...and, NO! Pilots do not begin to jettison fuel "just before they crash"!! This is patently absurd, since the majority of aviation accidents occur due to pilot error, when they are not anticipating a crash!!


Another bit of nonsense post, directed towards "Chris Frostick":

External Quote:
Chris Frostick as far as we know, most pilots are not (officially) aware as the systems are automated or remote controlled, though many secretly know or suspect at least. As far as leaked, well the industry is awash with rumour, but fear abounds as many have been threatened we hear. It does seem strange, but them {sic} compartmentalisation, bribery, financial incentives, blackmail or bullying... we don't know exactly, but we feel the damn {sic} will burst soon, as so many people are putting pressure on the authorities and airlines to speak up. All it takes is one, and we are off. Look-Up has been considering a whistle-blower compensation program, but we need some major backing before we can do this. Soon hopefully.
"Look-Up" must be getting desperate...rather than actually doing real research, seems it's easier to just pull stuff out of one's posterior, and pass it off as a "fact":

NO!! Fuel jettisoning is NOT "automated" and certainly NOT "remote controlled". When are aircraft required to dump fuel for emergency landings?

An image of a B777 Fuel System Panel (The Jettison controls at top):
9d3b0c35be61f1004f448ec185f20d44._.jpg


Note that there are TWO 'Nozzle' switches, safety capped to prevent accidental activation. In the case of this example (B777), there is an "automatic" aspect, but only if the crew had selected it to the "ARM" mode prior to take-off. The system senses an engine failure during the take-off, and thus will begin the jettison process (to alleviate flight crew workload in an emergency). The crew IS ALERTED to this fact on the forward instrument panel....and also an aural chime. Some airplanes have a dedicated "ON/OFF" switch, which if not selected "ON" will not allow the jettison nozzle valves to open. This B777 panel has the knob that is pulled out to manually selected the "ON" mode, and as you see the amount of fuel remaining that is required can be controlled automatically...allowing for less need for supervision by the flight crew.

ALL of this information (and much, much more) is easily obtained from, and verified on, the Internet.

Now, to the claim "the industry is awash with rumour"? Utter rubbish! Also, claims of "bribery....blackmail or bullying..." are absurd!

One statement I can pick out of that, though, which is correct: "we don't know exactly". No truer words have tumbled forth from the "Look-Up" site.

I'd really enjoy an opportunity for the owner of "Look-Up" to visit an airline pilots' lounge somewhere...what I'd enjoy is attending!!
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Actually I think he was trying to suggest that maybe the SPRAYING systems were automated so that pilots were not aware their plane was spraying something (and therefore getting lighter all the time) This is to counter people like you saying "Just go and talk to pilots" it gives him a get out clause, kind of.
Pretty thin and barrel scraping though.
 
Efftup said:
Actually I think he was trying to suggest that maybe the SPRAYING systems were automated so that pilots were not aware their plane was spraying something
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Possibly. Still utter rubbish.

A pilot knows his/her airplane inside and out. Mechanics do to. Ground support staff? Thousands and thousands of them, sometimes a high turnover rate (some simply don't make a "career" out of it) and still, in what? Two decades, not ONE person who actually has worked in, on and around modern commercial airliners has seen (nor said) anything.

Just one "whistle-blower" has the potential to make millions of Dollars (or Pounds, Euros.)
 
They posted the same pictures to the Easyjet website…so far nobody has given them a second glance.
 
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I think people like Ian have found it is easier and more convenient to claim that their "facts" have been "confirmed" by some high level insider engineer, pilot, mechanic (fill in the blank), as opposed to actually providing their own explanations or backing up their claims with actual facts of their own.
 
KC-10FE said:
I think people like Ian have found it is easier and more convenient to claim that their "facts" have been "confirmed" by some high level insider engineer, pilot, mechanic (fill in the blank), as opposed to actually providing their own explanations or backing up their claims with actual facts of their own.
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Not to take this off topic but Look Up describes himself as an investigator. A simple way to address this would simply be to get a job flightside at an airport. It really is not difficult. My son has just got one as a baggage handler at the airport near us. The criteria was a five year checkable background and the ability to carry heavy things. Surely Look Up knows someone that meets that criteria.
 
KC-10FE said:
I think people like Ian have found it is easier and more convenient to claim that their "facts" have been "confirmed" by some high level insider engineer, pilot, mechanic (fill in the blank), as opposed to actually providing their own explanations or backing up their claims with actual facts of their own.
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Oh?

Well then....I would invite IAN (since it seems he reads this thread) to come forward with actual proof...testimonials from some "insider engineer, pilot, mechanic (fill in the blank)"......(etc.).

IAN? Are you up to the task?

Put up, Post up....come on, mate!!
 
It now seems that the initial tags of friends I put on look-up.org has spread the word around the line maintenance guys and the hangar staff, a few have made some posts which are still readable despite being blocked since.
All of these guys would probably be willing to educate, but it seems look-up would rather stay
looking-stupid.org.uk,
shame really
 
You mentioned the "hangar staff" and I think that some readers who might be unfamiliar with airline operations might know that term.\

But, not understand it...precisely.

"Hangar Staff" are the people who work, day-in, day-out to keep an airline operating!! They work 24-hours a day, late-night shifts, whatever is needed.

In <Maintenance> (the 'hanger') AND also...in Dispatch, Flight Ops, etc, etc, etc........
 
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I think people like Ian have found it is easier and more convenient to claim that their "facts" have been "confirmed" by some high level insider engineer, pilot, mechanic (fill in the blank), as opposed to actually providing their own explanations or backing up their claims with actual facts of their own.
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I'd invite Ian (who I assume is READING this thread) to come in and ASK questions of myself, or "KC-10FE" or "TWCobra".....ALL actual pilots, and professionals IN the industry.

Please....IAN....ASK us some questions. I think I speak for "all" here in saying, we will answer with science, and knowledge, based on our own personal experience.
 
It just goes from bad to worse!

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Ian, you seriously need to read what you post on your website. No need to release an article but simply read what is on your website. It was Anna at Easy Jet Press Office who obviously passed the query onto the engineering director and it is quite clear that they were in relation to the "conspiracy theory" (Chemtrails) referring to the engine exhaust. Hence the reference to the "exhaust centre body".

Quite clearly you sent them the following image and initially they thought that you were referring to the engine exhaust pipe.

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Just in case you decide to alter the webpage.

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From: Anna Knowles [mailto:Anna.Knowles@easyJet.com]
Sent: 05 August 2014 16:54
To: Press Office; boson@supercollider.co.uk
Subject: RE: Esyjet pylon pipes

Hello Ian,

I have seen both of these conspiracy theories before and there is no truth in either of them.

The pipes you are referring to are the exhaust centre body. They are not retrofitted and the engines are manufactured with them in place. In simple terms the pipes conduct the gases from the engine.

We do use the front hold on some occasions but the way in which we use the hold depends flight to flight as it is dependent on the requirements for the weight and balance of the aircraft.

I hope that answers your questions.

Thanks

Anna
The more detailed response in regards to the Pylon Drains.

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Hello,

Here is a more detailed response from engineering.

Anna

Dear Anna,

The answer to your query regarding the pipes on the picture sent to me is as follows:

Pylon Drains

These are standard production fit on all Airbus A320 aircraft which is the first thing to clarify and there purpose is to vent and drain engine Pylon compartments in the event of any leakage of pipes hoses and valves contained within these areas. The leaks could be hot air from the engine bleed air system, fuel, as fuel feed pipes run through the compartments and lastly hydraulic fluid if any of the hydraulic system components have failed. It is important prevent the compartment flooding which could be a fire hazard in such a hot area. Al commercial aircraft are required by design regulation to have a venting system.


I have attached extracts of the A320 Maintenance Manual and Pictures from the training mock up that explains what I have just written.
http://www.look-up.org.uk/easyjet-response/
 
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I made the original post of this thread nine months ago. He has had the drawings of these pylon drains at least for that long. I find it difficult to believe that Ian hasn't gotten this sorted out yet. Something doesn't seem right about that. It indicates to me something which if I were to type it here would likely be in violation of the politeness policy.
 
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