George B
Extinct but not forgotten Staff Member
That is the point . . . with all the fire comming down to burn cars and other buildings, etc . . I would have expected some burning people . . .Why? Did you see lots of people on fire?

That is the point . . . with all the fire comming down to burn cars and other buildings, etc . . I would have expected some burning people . . .Why? Did you see lots of people on fire?
Don't know what . . . don't know any technology or energy weapon that can selectively target hard targets but not humans . . . I know a few that work the other way . . . i.e. neutron bomb, microwave energy, EMP, Biochemical weapons, etc . . .And I don't get why it is suspicious that there are not that many burn victims? Are you suggesting a special kind of fire that only burns cars but not people? What?
And that one needs to be viewed in conjunction with this one from a few seconds earlier showing even more fires on the east face
So catalytic converters started the car fires at 911?Burning debris landed on the cars, nice flat surfaces, or more likely was blown underneath them. One night I ran over a bale of hay that had spilled all over the freeway, so did others. In a few minutes I started smelling scorched grass. I pulled over and used a long handle window squeegee to pull the smoldering hay from under my car. There was an SUV, that pulled over a little behind me that was already on fire from it. The folks got out and that car burned badly. Gas tanks do not always explode, in fact they seem to rarely explode. I have seen several grass fires started by catalytic converters on cars, never have seen a gas tank blow.
Folks can move away from burning debris, and most were under cover when the buildings fell. The flags would have had to have flames come in contact with them for a period of time. Polyester will melt instead of burning. One the are where the hot debris touched would be damaged.
Gas tanks do not always explode, in fact they seem to rarely explode..
This fire will burn out buildings, burn out metal cars, but not the flags......
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Yes I think they need to be viewd in time order to make proper sense of the dynamics.
These cars were on the other side of the island. Someone would have to load each individual car, take it down the street, and then unload it? Why not take it to the junk yard? Someone stacked these cars and left them? What, their contract ran out before they reached the junk yard? That makes no sense.
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External Quote:Of course, there is a perfectly reasonable alternative hypothesis that explains the toasted cars present on FDR Drive: they were towed away from Ground Zero and deposited there as a part of the clean-up and rescue effort. News reports confirm that tow trucks were operating in the days after 9/11 to haul damaged vehicles away from the disaster area. For example, one article from The Philadelphia Inquirer dated September 13, 2001 and entitled "Workers removing debris - and bodies" states, "Mangled or burned vehicles littered the disaster scene. … Cars mangled by the explosion were towed away to make room for recovery efforts. At the corner of Duane Street and Broadway, about eight blocks from the World Trade Center, a car burned beyond recognition was stacked on top of a flattened Cadillac Seville. Next to that steel sandwich were a bent Port Authority Police van and charred police, fire and emergency vehicles." Also, Governor Pataki was quoted on Larry King Live on September 11, 2001 (transcript available here) as saying "We have national guard heavy equipment, wreckers and tow trucks and others trying to help out with police and fire who are going through the rubble and trying to just find as many people that we can save and rescue and help those who need our help as possible." Firehouse.com quoted Tom McDonald, Assistant Commissioner of Fleet and Technical Services for the FDNY regarding Ground Zero on 9/11: "It was not until late in the evening of September 11 that McDonald was able to get eight to 10 tow trucks and drivers into the area to start moving equipment out." On September 12, 2001, CourtTV News reported here that "Abandoned and damaged cars were being towed away. Cars parked closest to the trade center were crushed." The Hampton Union, in a news article covering a local Towing Association trade show in May, 2002, lamented that the Staten Island Garage, which one Best of Show at the previous year's show, was unable to attend this year because, "They've been at ground zero since last September." A reporter for the Chicago Sun Times stated that on September 20, 2006, "Tow truck drivers zip down quiet streets in the dead of night, carting ash- covered, badly crumpled patrol cars."
An American Public Works Association article, available here and cited in the WR paper, proclaims that approximately "1,400 vehicles were recovered" from the disaster area and "carefully stockpiled in a separate area near the edge of the" Fresh Kills Landfill, which is located in Staten Island. The same APWA article also states that all of the materials that were transferred to Fresh Kills (which presumably includes the vehicles) went through temporary transport stations located at Pier 25 and Pier 6. FDR Drive, coincidentally, runs right past Pier 6. It is logical to assume, therefore, that the cars depicted near FDR Drive in Wood's pictures were towed there near the temporary transport station at Pier 6 before being taken to Fresh Kills.
Judy Woods' theory is ridiculous.
Seems Odd
External Quote:Burns accounted for 40 of the 2,680 injury payments. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/nyregion/10injured.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
So just to be sure what your saying is understood correctly..., there were no melted cars on 9/11, and all the cars that were clearly damaged on 9/11 were simply caused by regular ol normal fire...? (and, just google "car fire" backs it up)?The cars are not melted. There was just a big fire in that location, the combustible parts of the cars burned. That's all. Google "car fire"
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Are we including all the cars up to 7 blocks away with vaporized engines? (Yes, that happened. Yes, it's confirmed. Yes, it's absolutely true and 100% fact.)
Notice the cars behind the fence under the bridge haven't moved (except for the white truck). Taking in to account the dust on the hoods to have reached that far, along with the extensive damage to cars as far as 9 blocks away, [off topic gish gallop removed]These cars were on the other side of the island. Someone would have to load each individual car, take it down the street, and then unload it? Why not take it to the junk yard? Someone stacked these cars and left them? What, their contract ran out before they reached the junk yard? That makes no sense.
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Pick a picture and post it here that shows one of the following: melted car, vaporized engine, vaporized handles.Ah yes, of course good sir. And what better evidence than that of your own eyes... http://hercolano2.blogspot.com/2011/04/911-toasted-cars.html
If hundreds photos and eye witness reports are still not enough evidence to convince, then I guess both sides of the argument would be defeated.
Interesting. So which one of these car fires were caused by an unrelated incident that happened blocks away from it? Surely there must be something odd about them, like spontaneously combusting due to a building fire 7 blocks away, otherwise it would defeat the whole purpose of comparison. Obviously "just fire" didn't turn a car upside down and wasn't the cause for those with the engines missing..., or maybe it was, I don't really know. Only you would know since your using them for comparison.Or "burned out car"
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It's just fire.
Stop replying to post from 3+ years ago and reply to posts from today or be banned.Interesting. So which one of these car fires were caused by an unrelated incident that happened blocks away from it? Surely there must be something odd about them, like spontaneously combusting due to a building fire 7 blocks away, otherwise it would defeat the whole purpose of comparison. Obviously "just fire" didn't turn a car upside down and wasn't the cause for those with the engines missing..., or maybe it was, I don't really know. Only you would know since your using them for comparison.
What specific relations of "just fire" compares to the cars strangely damaged on 9/11 which were parked blocks away from the incident? Were papers in or surrounding them also left untouched? Is there one them without an engine due to "just fire?"
I have to ask or I'll be left utterly confused without the back stories and explanation of why these are being used in the first place.
Notice the cars behind the fence under the bridge haven't moved (except for the white truck). Taking in to account the dust on the hoods to have reached that far, along with the extensive damage to cars as far as 9 blocks away, [off topic gish gallop removed]
Here is a police car (car 2723) in it's original location. Notice the red oval and red arrow showing key aspects of the location such as the bend in the tree branch and the name of the hotel and stop light.
This car originally sat by the Millenium Hilton Hotel on Church street. Notice the red oval around the same tree branch bend and hotel name/stop light matching that in the previous photo.
Here is that same car (2723) now under the bridge after being moved.
Just another photo of the same car.
I'm not. I imagine most photographers living through the 9/11 situation would be ok with their photos being used to debunk people calling them all 'crisis actors'I'm still a little shaky on posting photos from outside sites.
the only two I can find where Truthers are asking "where did the engine go?" are thee two.vaporized engine
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I hadn't been following this thread, but when I saw the pic, I bust out laughing.I have an Impala of that vintage (02), and those square holes in the decklid are for the taillights. They're not forklift marks.
Here's a video showing some cars being moved with a forklift.When you pick up a car with a forklift, you do it from the side, between the wheels and under the cabin, closer to the front than the back, so the frame rests on the forks. From either end is a bad idea, but from the rear is the worst, because it leaves most of the weight in the engine hanging off the end of the forks.