1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    A 1991 booklet incorrectly states that Obama was born in Kenya. Breitbart.com got hold of it, and published it. Other people on more extreme web sites seized on this as proof that Obama was born in Kenya.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...nt-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii

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    The problem here is that the people who published the story, Breitbart.com, and the late Breitbate himself don't think Obama was born in Kenya. They think he was born in Hawaii. They are not putting this on the web to prove he was born in Kenya. They are putting it up (they say) to show that Barack (or his "handlers") has misrepresented himself in the past, and the media should have found this out by now. So really it's just criticizing the media for being soft on Obama.

    [ex=http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii]
    Andrew Breitbart was never a "Birther," and Breitbart News is a site that has never advocated the narrative of "Birtherism." In fact, Andrew believed, as we do, that President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 4, 1961.
    Yet Andrew also believed that the complicit mainstream media had refused to examine President Obama's ideological past, or the carefully crafted persona he and his advisers had constructed for him.[/ex]
    [ex=http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/17/Obama-Lit-Booklet-About-MSM-Failure]The exclusive story published by Breitbart News today about a 1991 booklet released by Obama's literary agent that falsely claims the President was born in Kenya, is about many things NOT having to do with where our President was born. And one of those things is the abject failure of the mainstream media to vet properly the man they so desperately wanted to be president.[/ex]
    And the writer of the booklet at the time now says:

    But that not all that's going on here. Breitbart.com are playing this from two angles at once. They know it's a minor editorial error that simply nobody has noticed or thought important until now. They know also that there are millions of de facto "birthers" out there, who will just eat up the story as "proof" at Obama is a Kenya, and probably a muslim too.

    Luckily for Obama, those birthers were not going to vote for him anyway. But this does create noise that will distract from the real issues. The argument that this is somehow evidence that press went easy on Obama (which some of them quite arguably did) is pretty specious (why did Fox News cover this up, for example), but it also creates noise, and it creates a cover story to push the annoying and distracting birther nonsense.
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2013
  2. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    It doesnt prove he was born in Kenya it just proves him to be a liar being that he used the born in Kenya till 2007 and canceled it before his bid to be president . So why did he do it[FONT=bebasNeueRegular, sans-serif] ? [/FONT]
  3. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Obama never said he was born in Kenya.

    This was just a mistake on the part of Goderich, who wrote it.
  4. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    They said there clients write there own bios . So from 1991-2007 nobody changed it ? Face it he is a fraud .
  5. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    No they didn't say that:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...nt-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii


    "Probably approached to approve" is a very long way from "write their own bios".
  6. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    Then where did it come from In 1991 ? Did they just make it up ?
  7. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    Could have been some poor research skills. Just look at how many people "research" "chemtrails" and fool themselves, and others, about an obvious hoax/urban legend.
  8. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It's just an editorial mistake. His father was born in Kenya. He was not. The writer got it wrong.
  9. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    We all have our opinions dont we ?
  10. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    Maybe so , but to let it go on till right before his election tells you he was using it for some advantage . I really dont know where he was born and it doesnt matter because he is still the worse president we ever had . We will see what Sheriff Joe comes up with .
  11. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    why it it that it tells us that?

    Why can't it tell us that he didn't think it was an issue, or he didn't even know?

    Except for not involving the USA in any dodgy wars by telling lies to the public you mean......oh and presiding over a recovery from an economic disaster at least largely laid at the feet of his deregulating predecessors.....and giving a damn about the health of ALL US citizens......yeah..apart from those.....

    That would be nothing....still.
  12. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    Youd believe a politician ? He knew it was there didnt think it would be an issue until the powers that be picked him to be a presidential candidate. Democratic talking points ? Bush s fault ? So reward your buddies with green jobs like Solyndra ? Run up a tab of another 5 trillion ? Still in Iraq Still in Afghanistan, Start a revolution in Egypt to install the radical Muslim brotherhood . Syria , Yemen . Yet receives a Nobel peace prize for what ? They are all Puppets ,Bush, Clinton ,Obama and traitors . You have to much faith in your government .
  13. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Perhaps we could just stick to the facts:

    Obscure bio mistakenly lists Obama's birthplace as Kenya.

    Nobody notices until now, hence it wasn't important.

    If this bio actually mattered two hoots, then someone would have noticed it before he got elected.
  14. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    sometimes. But in this case it is your reasoning I am questioning - why is it that him getting an advantage is the only possible reason this happened??

    did he?

    And what is inherently unbelievable about that?

    and what happened then?

    relevance?? who was the last president who did not "give jobs to the boys (and girls)"? Heck where was the last government of any type, anywhere, that didn't do so??

    I look forward to your arguments in favour of Greek style austerity measures for the USA in order to cut the deficit.


    apparently not.

    with a plan to get out - that doesnt strike you as a good idea??

    really?

    really?

    for at least not making aggressive war, unlike his predecessors. Yeah it's thin, but believe me it was a breath of fresh air to the rest of the world to have a POTUS who wasn't hell bent on invading anyone!!

    And of course you are legally constituted court of law that has objectively heard all the evidence from a properly bought charge of treas in order to be able to make that determination??

    it's not my government.
  15. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    Still in Iraq ? Yes private contractors working for the State Department Dynacorp ,Blackwater . Afghanistan will cost us billions after the 2014 withdrawal 4 billion a year at least .Egypt we will see the election results soon . Muslim brotherhood inside the Obama Administration . Fast & Furious ? Gitmo closed ? nope . Killing Americans citizens overseas without a trial . Ft Hood Shooting called workplace violence ? Hold American Citizens without a trial indefinitely . Not your Government Lucky you !
  16. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    Sure not with our media . Like his book that was written by Bill Ayers Dreams From My Father . Just a liar is what he is . Thats why conspiracies are everywhere because we live in a world of lies and liars .
  17. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Sarcasm perception fail:

    [video]http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/03/27/bill-ayers-admits-second-time-he-wrote-obamas-dreams-my-father[/video]
  18. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    Ok so Bill Ayers Lied ? proves my point on liars . The book is mostly lies and made up girlfriends .
  19. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    so you are against private contractors working for the Govt? do you also consider an embassy to be "still in Iraq"??

    and??


    Fails to address the point - you say the Obama administration CAUSED the revolution IN ORDER to install a Muslim Brotehrhood Govt - evidence for that please?

    again - evidence?? relevance?

    ???

    connection to any of yor previous tatements?? Or jsut anotehr diversion because you do not actually have evidence to support your other claims?


    what about it?

    and??


    Wasn't that introduced by GW?? And so what - it has always been possible AFAIK, if you prosecute war against the USA??

    How about you supply some evidence for your conspiracy claims....just for a change...instead of shifting the goal posts every time you are asked?

    I don't actually expect you to BTW...it is a standard request in response to a standard CT tactic of avoidance of the issue...just so as you know you're not being new or clever or smart.
  20. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    Fast and Furious Never heard of it ? Project gunrunner ? Ft hood shooting was domestic terrorism not workplace violence . George Bush was also a--hole .Sure the worlds biggest and most expensive Embassy while they stick contractors in portables .Sure I am against overpaid companies and overpaid private contractors . Thats why we have a military . Iraq a waste of taxpayer money . If you want to insult instead of debate thats fine I can do the same . http://www.trevorloudon.com/ look it up yourself pal !
  21. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    I have heard of Fast and furious - never played it though. Never heard of Project gunrunner. there is no reason why domestic terrorism cannot also be violence in a workplace, and yes Iraq was a waste of money which point is still sidestepping my questions.

    And you still haven't provided any evidence or reasoning, of how or why the Obama administration CAUSED the revolution IN ORDER to install a Muslim Brotherhood Govt.

    If you feel insulted by me pointing out your debating tactics then I invite you to change them.

    If you have a point then please make it. If a reference provides some evidence to support your point then please say so - and then I'll probably look it up - I'm not so much interested in looking up websites if you don't bother to explain what it is you expect me to see there or take from them.
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  22. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    Fast and furious was a scheme designed to track guns going into Mexico which failed and resulting in the death of border agent Brian Terry being a victim of a tracked gun along with possibly hundreds if not thousand s of deaths in Mexico . a ATF whistle blower . The Dept of Justice is covering up . Many believe it was the reason to create a crisis that doesnt exist to go after Our 2nd amendment rights . Fast and Furious and project gunrunner are the same . Some say it started with the last loser in the Whitehouse but most say No . debunk this http://www.theblaze.com/stories/wan...the-muslim-brotherhood-is-to-the-obama-admin/
  23. Joe

    Joe Active Member

  24. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka reaffirms the global union movement's determination to end the violence and bring democracy to Egypt and sends a message of support to the Egyptian people.
  25. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    So nothing much at all then - k - thanks.
  26. Stupid

    Stupid Senior Member

    "possibly hundreds if not thousands of deaths in Mexico",,,,is where your story gets overblown.
  27. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    I believe there have been 50,000 deaths in Mexico in 5 years over 12000 in 2011 . So its not impossible since thousands of guns flew south that there could be possibly hundreds or thousands of deaths with these guns . Glad I dont live In LA anymore !
  28. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    No theres plenty more Ill dig and repost it for you . Like Trumpka has been to the Whitehouse quite a few times ? like the Unions didnt help elect Obama to office. Is everything a conspiracy to you ?
  29. Stupid

    Stupid Senior Member

    Reportedly, there were around 2000 guns distributed, 700 were recovered.
    Let's not forget there were many guns in Mexico already (most smuggled from the US).....and death was brought about by these prior guns.
    Gunwalking was (is) a huge fiasco.
    But please don't compare the total deaths in Mexico to the "fast and furious".....it becomes an exaggeration.
  30. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    at least 2000 guns and most of the guns came from mexico military via US gov
  31. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    Stupid : "and death was brought about by these prior guns" .?? Brian Terry was killed with a Fast and Furious gun . Debunk yes but dont outright lie
  32. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    So that is 1 death, out of how many - 50,000 in the last 5 years or some horrifying similar figure?

    While "Fast and Furious" was obviously a screw up it is not actually responsible for the violence in Mexico - there were already plenty of guns there - them getting more/better ones certainly hasn't helped, but it is also not evidence of anything other than a screw up.
  33. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    They have military guns from the Mexican military . Tell that to the family of the slain border agent . Whos knows how many because Eric Holder is holding back evidence . They werent trying to track guns they needed an excuse to go after the second amendment the they made it look like there was a problem . Even though they caused it.
  34. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    Is there a point to your stream of consciousness??

    In what way has the 2nd amendment been "attacked" by "Fast and Furious"?

    Tell what to the family of the slain border agent - that "Fast and Furious" isn't the cause of violence in Mexico - sure - why would that be a problem??

    "They" "caused" what?

    If you don't know something (eg "how many") then you cant' actually use it as evidence of anything....

    sorry - but you are getting less and less sensical to me - you have not actually addressed any of your earlier assertions about who is causing what for what purpose other than to state more unsupported examples of "them" "causing" things....still without being able to show how or why or when.

    You are, in fact, doing exactly as I suggested a few posts ago - changing the subject and refusing to justify your allegations when challenged. you thought i was being insulting back tehn - but now I cvlaim prescience - you should listen to me because I can predict the future, and the evidence is right here in this thread!! :D
  35. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    Nope Im done . Why should I repeat what your to lazy to look up yourself ? government shill
  36. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    I'm happy to look up anything you actually identify - but you are the one proposing something, it is up to you to provide some reasonable link to the evidence you believe exists - not for me to have to search for it.

    Inability to provide cogent evidence, or even links to evidence, and then blaming others for "not looking it up" is another classic tactic of someone who simply has no case - more evidence that I am actually prescient! :D
  37. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    No mike if you think fast and furious is a conspiracy Im pretty much done . Whats the point ? Your not even America so why would you care . You have your beliefs and I have mine . your not going to convince me otherwise and I guess Im not convincing you .
  38. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    It called Google its not really that hard . We will see what comes out in the congressional investigation unless they sweep that under the rug too .
  39. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    You are missing the point - you say there is evidence yet you refuse to clearly identify it - why is it that you cannot simply identify it??

    You provided one link above, for example, about the CIA and Moslem Brotherhood which does nothing whatsoever to show how the US "caused" the Egyptian revolution "in order" to get a MB government in Egypt.

    This makes me think you simply do not have evidence - that small amount you provide is irrelevant, and you refuse to provide any more than that despite saying that it exists.

    Somehow you think I should have to figure out what to search for, then pick the right answer from all those available and try to determine which part of it you think is important....which assumes I am searching for the right thing in the first place!

    As I have already said, the people who usually resort to this tactic are those who do not actually have any evidence but are not prepared to admit it - I think they suffer from cognitive dissonance - they know what they say isn't true but refuse to acknowledge anything that might force them to admit that - and that is what I think you are doing here.

    I think you either have no evidence, or you know that your evidence is not actually any good....and if you did identify it you would be forced to see people pick it apart and disprove your point, and you are afraid of that.

    Sorry.
  40. Joe

    Joe Active Member

    Muslim Brotherhood in America, Part 1: The Threat Doctrine of Shariah & the Muslim Brotherhoodhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Bs0xw5hPWVQ#!



    http://www.trevorloudon.com/2011/08/muslim-brotherhood-in-our-white-house-–-vetting-obama/Muslim Brotherhood In Our White House – Vetting Obama



    David Horowitz: Obama, the Muslim Brotherhood & ‘Rules for Revolution’http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OJE04Zal0Us#!



    An International Dialogue in Egypt
    September 25, 2011 to September 30, 2011

    “Our fall 2011 International Dialogue will be located in Egypt where we will meet with labor and community organizers and other activists in Cairo. There are exciting changes and developments that are currently taking place in Egypt with elections coming soon to determine leadership transitions in what has been an autocratic regime, now challenged by the Muslim Brotherhood and succession and democracy issues. The trip is still in the planning stages, and we will post updates as soon as we have them.
    “We plan to travel with approximately 15-20 participants, and we will strive to have a mix of both community and labor organizers/leaders from a variety of community organizations and unions. We look for participants to meet in Cairo, pay their own travel and visa costs in addition to a program fee. The Organizers Forum will pay for food, lodging, and ground transportation. And, yes, though we are only planning to spend time in one city on this dialogue, we will see the Pyramids!
    “If you are interested in applying to attend this dialogue, we invite you to apply by sending an email of interest to Wade Rathke chair@organizersforum.org Organizers’ Forum. Please respond as early as possible and certainly no later than July 1 because there are a limited number of spaces.”

    http://emergingcorruption.com/2011/...hat-the-cia-didnt-and-what-will-obama-do-now/

    International Labor Backs Egyptian Revolutionhttp://www.trevorloudon.com/2011/02/international-labor-backs-egyptian-revolution/

    Socialist Worker NZ is the sister party of the British Socialist Workers Party.http://www.trevorloudon.com/2007/07/socialist-workers-evil-friends/ so its not just Americas socialist pigs its worldwide collaboration , Socialist and Islamist working together

    Socialist/Muslim Co-operationhttp://www.trevorloudon.com/2006/04/socialistmuslim-co-operation/

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