Debunked: 1991 Booklet proves Obama Born in Kenya

MikeC

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lol - you are using Trevor Loudon as a source?

I'll give you a hint - I'm from New Zealand & have known about him for years - they guy is a nutcase.

so fair enough - you gave some sources - thanks for that.

Loudon is less than credible, and his theories range from merely questionable to utterly stupid.

And none of the articles you linked to actually said that Obama (or the US in general) CAUSED the revolution FOR THE PURPOSE of putting the Muslim brotherhood into power that I could see anyway.

Haven't had a chance to look at the YT vids yet - I hope they are better.
 

Joe

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debunk the message if you can , dont shoot the message . Oh and the main stream media is a s reliable as you tube . Fail
 

Leifer

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don't understand, TreasureCoast
First you claim F&F is significantly responsible for a part of the 50k deaths in Mexico, then you switch to a topic of the MB (Muslim Brotherhood). ??
The switching topic is possibly a sign you cannot back-up your prior topic/assertion.

I think we all care about the end to Mexico's gang wars. Really we do (I do).
What is your solution ?
I think all topics should be steered to a solution......not non-productive rants.
 

Joe

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Seal the borders both ways cut off the supply of drugs and cash for the cartels . Oh but then no cash to pay off the corrupt in America ?The three rants were to point out the liar and then thief in the Whitehouse is a major failure and subversive agent .
 

MikeC

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debunk the message if you can , dont shoot the message . Oh and the main stream media is a s reliable as you tube . Fail
There is no message - the idea that the Whitehouse is infiltrated by the MB consists of 3 people - 2 named and 1 unnamed . The 2 named ones are low level advisors on matters relating to moslems and the connection to the MB is that they have attended events run by the MB, one has had some views "endorsed" by the MB and they agree with the MB is about at least some things.

The idea that from that you can conclude that the Egyptian revolution was caused by the US in order to put the MB into power simply does not follow. It is fantasy.

the videos were similarly short on actual evidence, and since you say they are just as unreliable as the MSM then why did you mention them at all??
 

Leifer

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Don't you think that a solution is to reduce the demand for drugs ?

...and does that solution mater where you think where Obama was born ?

Where are your priorities ?
 

Joe

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Your not going to reduce the demand ever but cut off the flow from mexico and starve the cartels would help but thats not possible either because there is too much money involved . Pull troops from the rotten middle east and put them on the border . I dont care where Obama was born thats is irrelevant .but would love too see the birthers right
 

MikeC

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Fantasy ? I hope so but I doubt it .
Well perhaps you could tell us how it is you think these 3 people are responsible for the US causing the Egyptian revolution, with the intention of putting het MB into power then?

I've asked you before - you've provided some sources but they are patently inadequate to support your contention that they are responsible for these actions - not only are the people concerned at low level in limited positions, but there is simply no link provided to connect them to the suggested actions a all.


You have to much faith in your masters
And who would they be?

Perhaps you should actually consider the quality of the evidence instead of making assumptions about who I supposedly have faith in.
 

Joe

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Samatha Power would be one but since this site is so glitchy its hard to paste . Trumpka would be another and Wade Rathke of Acorn would also be in included Community organizers worldwide all connected to Obozo / Dont worry when we go into syria and plant the MB into power like Iran is the only one left to have a califate .Who do you have faith in ?
 

Joe

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yes mike it was . why cant I paste ? Why were 19 Americans held in Egypt ? Id paste the story from The LA times but cant seem to paste ? One was Ray Lahood son secretary for transportation under Obozo
 

MikeC

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In that case I have no idea what you are talking about in relation to the USA supposedly causing the Egyptian revolutino for hte purpose of putting the MB in power.

Why don't you post the link, if not the whole article?

supposedly you know the information that supports you contention - so why are you asking me questions??

You are still doing exactly what I identified as a common tactic of those who do not actually have any basis for their assertions previously, and which you claimed to be insulted by - changing the topic and refusing to provide supporting evidence for your claims. You did provide some evidence, but since the links failed to show how the claims weer achieved they weer inadequate, and you have gone back to those taqctics when asked about them!

I suspect that you will shortly claim to be "just asking questions".

As far as I as concerned this is dishonesty and disinfo.
 

Joe

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Well coming from a disinfo agent like yourself I consider that a compliment . I see no debunking on this thread other then Mick setting me straight on One item . As far as the topic of the thread on the 1991 Booklet nobody really knows why ? But the fact that they did just added to the birther conspiracy even more . Obama loves conspiracies since everything in his life is fabricated and false . You living in NZ makes me wonder why should you care about American politics ? I could see Chemtrails but wonder who cares ? Do you try to debunk Santa Claus ? I see no benefit at all on trying to debunk someones beliefs only to add to the conspiracy by being disinfo agents ? unless your payed to do it . The Chemtrail conspiracy has increased not decreased so I would say so far its been a failure .
 

MikeC

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Ah - and now the name calling - why is it that you do not simply show the chain-of-causality between these people in the white house and the USA causing the Egyptian revolution for the purpose of placing the MB in power?

Why do you have to invoke Santa Clause and chemtrails, neither of which are relevant to your claims?

I actually thought you were trying to show how the USA caused the Egyptian revolution for the purpose of placing the MB in power - not debunk my beliefs. Yet all you do is write a great deal about how it is apparently all everyone else's fault, or something else is relevant, or other attempts at diverting the conversation.

Le me see if I can make this clear for you by shouting, because apparently you do not recognise reasoned discussion -

Your inability to explain yourself is NOT my fault!

I hope that helps.

And why would I not be interested in US politics? I have a sister, bother-in-law and niece living there, I have visited several times, and the thought of what is still the most militarily powerful nation in the world and supposedly defender of "The West" (of which New Zealand is a part) coming under the control of irrational nutcases scares the shit out of me. New Zealanders have been killed because of US politics, New Zealand's prosperity depends upon all sorts of things internationally - the price of oil, the ability to trade and travel, being able to remain a liberal democracy in an increasingly polemic world where if you aren't with us then you are against us and it seems the only way we can be with anyone is to be ruled by religious fanatics.
 

Joe

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No your inability to understand how things work in the American government should scare the shit out of you . They are setting us up for WW3 and you are not open minded enough to understand . I suggest you Go to sites like New Zeal or Drudge Report . Its is under the control of nutcases right now ? They are no different then the last ones or the ones before that . Do you know who Soros is ? religious fanatics are the Islamist and the Atheist or Humanist ,not the Christians Catholics or Momons .
 

Joe

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Re: Help debunk chemtrails
Why putting all your energy in that? You have good meanings, but some people will just never learn and stick to what they believe. People have admitted they made crop circles, the Santilli Brothers have admitted they faked the alien autopsy movie, but it is still all believed to be true by a lot of people.
 

MikeC

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No your inability to understand how things work in the American government should scare the shit out of you . They are setting us up for WW3 and you are not open minded enough to understand . I suggest you Go to sites like New Zeal or Drudge Report . Its is under the control of nutcases right now ? They are no different then the last ones or the ones before that . Do you know who Soros is ? religious fanatics are the Islamist and the Atheist or Humanist ,not the Christians Catholics or Momons .
Yet again you fail to appreciate that it is your inability to explain that is the problem.

And you have given yourself another chance to prove me right - how are they setting up for WW3?

I have heard of George Soros. I presume you are now going to fail to link him to the USA's supposed instigation of the Egyptian revolution in order to install the MB there too?? (just to remind you what you asserted and how far away from it you have gone in order to avoid justifying your assertion!)

Atheism is not a religion, and it is certainly the Christian (in which I broadly include mormons) fanatics I worry about in the USA - the idea that x-ian fanatics are somehow different or preferable to any other variety of theocratic nutjobs is ludicrous.

About the only mainstream-religion nutjobs I find not frightening (since I am not a Palestinian!) are Jews - who AFAIK don't care about converting everyone or making us all live by their laws - and if I found that wasn't the case then they'd get lumped in with the rest too!

That was for Unicus he never answered the guy
- so that would be adding yet another irrelevant topic to this thread along with not bothering to show any solid basis for your assertions of evil doing :rolleyes:
 

Joe

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yep Soros is Obamas puppetmaster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7yyah-j7b4 . Being a country that could defend itself like NZ you need only fear the atheist from China not the Christains from America .
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson :) have a nice day
 

Joe

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Not ignoring anything . I know something you dont and guess you dont care to look for yourself . I gave you some evidence you were to lazy to explore .
 

MikeC

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Not ignoring anything . I know something you dont and guess you dont care to look for yourself . I gave you some evidence you were to lazy to explore .
Patently untrue - I looked at the links you provided and commented on them specifically. But then I already know you to be dishonest.

And if you know something I don't (which is quite a trivial suggestion when you think about it) and it is actually important, why are you keeping it secret?

the "occupy crowd" is entirely harmless at the level of actualy achieving anything as far as I can see - unlike nutjob religious fanatics
 

Joe

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What religious fanatics are you referring to ? Occupy = rape = murder = destruction of property and anarchy . When I find the story or links on the MB Ill post it for you Mike . Occupy is union backed communist socialist or as Lenin called them Useful Idiots .
 

Joe

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Sure plenty or rape I Huff Po said in NY 7 months ago there were 10 reported rapes , There were also murders how could there not be when you mix Drugs hippies homeless anarchist and communist all together ? NY daily News reported Nov 12 2011 3 murders just that week but heard of a few more . Dont be so surprised .
 

MikeC

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You didnt' say "plenty of rape" - you said

Occupy = rape = murder = destruction of property and anarchy
You equated them as being the same.

New York had an average of over 50 rapes/week in 2010.

This anti-occupy article mentions "rape" 5 times in it's "Occupy Rap Sheet" in October of 2011 - not all in NY.

BTW what has this to do with the US supposedly having caused the Egyptian revolution in order to put the MB in power??
 

Joe

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Well Ill agree with the one nut job who wants to kill Gays along with the ones who protest funerals of fallen troops . They have no power . They are not the Catholic church .You forgot the SPLC that nut case Mark Potack who labels even the black panthers as right wing extremist ? Or the Hutatree Militia. Boy they looked real scary burning the UN Flag . rational wiki ? What the hell is that some stupid atheist site . Occupy only wishes it was as effective as the Tea Party . Ill also agree on the Islamist as a threat . There has been no violence from the right wing religious fanatics that Iv heard of . Dont count the Nazi who just killed himself and his family in Arizona because in America Nazis are considered Left wing. National SOCIALIST . The reason Occupy is Ineffectual is because they are backed by the democratic party. ASTROTURF
 

Joe

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Nothing just replying to your fanatics comment . If you look up Youll see you went off topic > And If you read my comment up above youll see I said as soon as I find my info the Ill post it Mike . This is crap Iv been hearing and reading for about a year now so Its not like I keep it in my pocket Mikey . I stick to my Occupy = rape murder ect .
 

MikeC

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I went OT?? I'm the one who's been trying to keep you ON topic with your accusation that Obama CAUSED the Egyptian revolution in order to bring hte MB to power - you said it in this post, and have consistently failed to supoprt it ever since - even when you did provide some info about "it" that info failed to provide any link to the supposed actions at all.

Then YOU went OT with guns in Mexico, and socialists trying to overthrow Mubarak, and now with socialism and occupy.

YOU asked me why I am interested in US politics - to which I provided my reasoning in a manner you have consistently failed to do - ie I gave my reasoning. It happened to include the fact that I worry about christian fundamentalists in the USA getting into positions of power, which you then proceeded to reply to and expand upon.

And yes I guess you could call Rationalwiki an atheist site - but stupid? no - that descriptor best fits various fundamentalist christian sites - all the more reason to worry about what might happen if peole of their belief get into power in the USA.

You also wrote:
The only nut cases you should fear is the Occupy Crowd
and
The reason Occupy is Ineffectual is because they are backed by the democratic party.
Why do you think I should fear something that you admit is ineffective?
 
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MikeC

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Indeed - and yet you introduced Egypt and the MB......I think as evidence of Obama's perfidy or something like that - along with some other accusations that I gather were also designed to impugn his honesty and therefore cast doubt on the truthfulness of him saying he was born in Hawaii.

I asked for supporting evidence for many of those accusations, because I think it is important to know the connections between all these things - having good information about them might indeed be relevant to believing what he says.

And you constantly ducked my questions ever since, thus leading me to believe that you do not actually have any good evidence to support your accusations, and that you know you do not have that evidence and are therefore dishonest for persisting in them.

Also your constant changes of subject reflect your own knowledge of your dishonesty - if you tried to answer them reasonably you would be forced to face your lack of evidence. Cognitive dissonance is the situation where you have cognitions (beliefs, knowledge, ideas, etc) that are exclusive of each other - they cannot both be true. In this case IMO you know perfectly well that Obama was born in Hawaii, but you cannot stand him as president for other reasons and are hanging on to the belief that he was born in Kenya (or at least not in Hawaii)

By avoiding actually examining to basis of your belief you avoid having to acknowledge that it actual has no basis.
 

Joe

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Yea those reason are Hes a Marxist raised by Communist , He Is clearly a racist that went to a racist church for 20 years , He is an affirmative action president who at the least lied about his birthplace to get some sort of foreign born benifit . A coke head pot head , a community organizer Saul Alinsky communist pig . What were you ready to call me a RACIST ! LOL ! You dont know anything about the Muslim brotherhood . You didnt read or watch anything I posted . You cant Debunk ! You failed . Liberalism is a Mental Disorder .
 
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