Copenhagen airport closure due to reported drone activity

ThomasH said:
Now it's getting serious!
It appears the military tried to shoot down a "drone" on september 28 - I found out it was a plane heading for Billund Airport, 9000 ft up !!

Source: https://youtu.be/ih1Ze78UZsI?si=sv4lm7m39CAaZO8X


Links to the articles:
https://dbrs.dk/skjern/michael-hoer...-flere-gange-det-er-lidt-utrygt-og-bekymrende
https://dbrs.dk/skjern/medie-afsloe...te-at-nedskyde-ukendt-drone-over-borrislejren

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Nice work Thomas I hoped tagging you on X would lead you to the truth.

Reasoned voices need to be heard before someone is killed by the drone paranoia. It's likely falling ammo fired at objects in the sky will land on something or someone.
 

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UAV Hive said:
Nice work Thomas I hoped tagging you on X would lead you to the truth.

Reasoned voices need to be heard before someone is killed by the drone paranoia. It's likely falling ammo fired at objects in the sky will land on something or someone.
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The shooting itself still hasn't been officially confirmed, since the military won't comment — but there's no doubt in my mind that the "drone" the pointing-guy saw was that plane. And why wouldn't it be the same for the soldier just seconds later, when it flew over their area?

The shooting was told to the journalists from "several independent sources within the Danish military."
 
ThomasH said:
The shooting itself still hasn't been officially confirmed, since the military won't comment — but there's no doubt in my mind that the "drone" the pointing-guy saw was that plane. And why wouldn't it be the same for the soldier just seconds later, when it flew over their area?

The shooting was told to the journalists from "several independent sources within the Danish military."
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Given we've seen ground crew and security misidentify air traffic as drones repeatedly its inevitable kinetic and jamming weapons will and potentially already have been fired.

I reckon there's a good chance this has been the first mistaken kinetic firing in the EU.

Like you say, the military likely won't own up but maybe the powers that be will realise the risks and cease the idea of shooting weapons.
 
UAV Hive said:
Given we've seen ground crew and security misidentify air traffic as drones repeatedly its inevitable kinetic and jamming weapons will and potentially already have been fired.

I reckon there's a good chance this has been the first mistaken kinetic firing in the EU.

Like you say, the military likely won't own up but maybe the powers that be will realise the risks and cease the idea of shooting weapons.
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I am very surprised that none of these countries can't simply copy some of what Ukraine and Russia are doing in their Drone War. Drones that shoot nets at other drones causing their rotors to become jammed, firing a shotgun mounted on a drone at other drones (birdshot from them would loose velocity rapidly and pose no threat to people on the ground), or simply ram a drone with another drone. All of these tactics are in use today, just a matter getting over the fear of dropping a drone on someones head (a thing highly unlikely to happen).

Check out the videos online being posted daily by people on both sides in Ukraine.
 
MapperGuy said:
I am very surprised that none of these countries can't simply copy some of what Ukraine and Russia are doing in their Drone War. Drones that shoot nets at other drones causing their rotors to become jammed, firing a shotgun mounted on a drone at other drones (birdshot from them would loose velocity rapidly and pose no threat to people on the ground), or simply ram a drone with another drone. All of these tactics are in use today, just a matter getting over the fear of dropping a drone on someones head (a thing highly unlikely to happen).

Check out the videos online being posted daily by people on both sides in Ukraine.
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In the absence of any visual or physical proof, there's an argument on /ufos that the drone sightings must be of real, physical objects over the airports, since authorities wouldn't shut down an airport without evidence. (An argument from incredulity.)

The incredulity counter to that would be that if there were real, physical drones flying over the airports, why wouldn't the police/military have been able to use such tactics -- the techniques learned from Ukraine or otherwise -- to capture or disable at least one.
 

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I'm glad that at least sUAS News credited you, @ThomasH! TV2 should have done so too.

If Danish armed forces did open fire on lights in the sky over the Borris Skydeterræn without first checking flight schedules or with air traffic control, it is rather alarming. To be honest I was initially very sceptical of this claim, but the absence of an official denial must be of concern.
While many governments choose to have a "neither confirm nor deny" policy about some military activities, a credible claim that troops opened fire on a routine civil flight is something we might expect the relevant authorities to refute- if it didn't happen.

The 17/10/25 TV2 article by Peter Møller that @ThomasH cited links to this Oversight of Activities PDF from the Forsvarsministeriet (Denmark ministry of defence) which indicates no live firing was scheduled on 28 September.
Does anyone know if training involving blank rounds, perhaps not covered by "Oversight of Activities", takes place at the Borris training area?
Blanks allow relatively realistic but safe training, e.g. between "friendly" and "opposition" forces, and are frequently used by many militaries; the cartridges are sufficiently powerful to re-cock small arms (including rifles and machine guns) and so allow automatic fire.
For fairly obvious reasons training with live rounds and blank rounds at a given location normally happens at different times.

I'm wondering if Michael Knuhtsen and other witnesses saw the Dash 8, and perhaps "primed" by the media coverage re. Copenhagen airport and elsewhere interpreted it as a mysterious drone. Perhaps hearing (coincidental) firing from the training area, this was incorporated into their hypothesis of what was going on.
Blanks lack the supersonic crack that live rounds firing bullets generate, but they're plenty loud enough and from a distance the sound is practically indistinguishable.

Again, though, the lack of an official denial of live firing from Borris Skydeterræn towards what was probably Widerøe DHC Dash 8 LN-WDO is troubling.

This is the actual aircraft, photographed in Norway, 2024. Note it has 2 propellers, not 4 as described by Knuhtsen. Maybe he was describing a quadcopter, but this isn't clear from the reports.

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(Photo taken by DLFferozz, posted on on Airfleets.net website.)

We know from the New Jersey drone flap of late 2024 that well-intentioned witnesses sometimes "identified" perfectly conventional civil airliners on scheduled flights as drones, even when their own phonecam evidence apparently showed normal civil aircraft (or at least their lights). As with some UFO reports, witness prior expectations or on-the-spot interpretations of events seem to influence what is perceived/ recalled, and those expectations/ interpretations might in turn be influenced by media coverage / the wider cultural milieu at that time and place.
 
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The lack of a denial plus the fact the media appears to have had tip-offs from within the military first that led them to speak to residents leads me to believe this incident occurred.

By coincident I've been fighting to get the advice given by the CAA regards Gatwick in 2018 for the use of drone jammers which also pose risks to manned aircraft (admittedly less so than bullets), but given this event and what I now know about Lakenheath I'm likely to have to go to court, 1st Tier-Tribunal as the Information Commissioner had sided against me because the CAA cited National Security. Given the EU is proving how incapable anyone is of telling an aircraft from a drone I think it's a cause worth fighting.

This is a recent UK FOIA (attached) which reveals the National Police AIr Service were worried the police/military on the ground might zap their helicopters with jammers. If the police are worried that other the police might fire jammers at the wrong things then the public has a genuine right to be worried.

Anyone no matter their training, but especially at night relying on just their eyes, especially if they feel under pressure will pull the trigger. We saw at Wright-Patterson confirmation bias was so strong witnesses who only saw aircraft navigation lights described them as quadcopters.
 

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UAV Hive said:
Anyone no matter their training, but especially at night relying on just their eyes, especially if they feel under pressure will pull the trigger.
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Disagree a little with this (though I broadly agree with @UAV Hive's sentiment).
The problem, I think, is more with rules of engagement: If the relevant authorities tell military personnel, police or whoever that observed drones (meaning, what the soldier/ police officer on the spot thinks is a drone) should be fired upon, there might well be problems.

Danish PM Mette Frederiksen's comments suggest that there is such a policy in Denmark, at least for some areas or installations:
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Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen has previously expressed that she would like to see a drone shot down.
- There is a mandate to shoot them down. It has been said very clearly, and I would also have liked to have shot down some of them, the Prime Minister told DR four days after the shooting incident in Borris.
Dagbladet Ringkøbing-Skjern, 16 October 2025, Jette Bentsen, "Media reveals: The Armed Forces tried to shoot down unknown drone over the Borris camp" (machine translated), OP @ThomasH, post #521.

What to do about suspected hostile drones is obviously an important, relatively recent issue. Some European air forces / navies routinely shadow crewed aircraft and ships from less friendly states that approach their territorial space, but it is unlikely an actual intruder would be fired upon without a series of warnings being issued.
There may be a temptation to relax this restraint re. drones, as there are no crew to be harmed. But as we've seen, there's good evidence that some observers misidentify normal aircraft as drones, and this might have happened at Borris- it certainly happened in New Jersey.
(Equally, hostile or "nuisance" actors might exploit existing restraint to use drones for their ends).
 
ThomasH said:
Now it's getting serious!
It appears the military tried to shoot down a "drone" on september 28 - I found out it was a plane heading for Billund Airport, 9000 ft up !!

Source: https://youtu.be/ih1Ze78UZsI?si=sv4lm7m39CAaZO8X


Links to the articles:
https://dbrs.dk/skjern/michael-hoer...-flere-gange-det-er-lidt-utrygt-og-bekymrende
https://dbrs.dk/skjern/medie-afsloe...te-at-nedskyde-ukendt-drone-over-borrislejren

WTF !!
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Thanks for the info, but you should give us details without making us click on a link.

YouTube can provide a transcript. Then use an LLM (GPT for example) to remove the timestamps and put it in proper sentence form. Then paste that into your post in a quotation box.

What weapon did they use?
 
Z.W. Wolf said:
What weapon did they use?
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It's not been confirmed so far that any weapons were used.

Witnesses in a residential area claim to have heard firing from the Borris Skydeterræn (military training area).
We know that there was no live firing scheduled. I mused in #531 that this might not rule out training with blank rounds. (Or other pyrotechnics, come to that).
The area had been closed to the public at sunset as per usual, just over an hour before the claimed drone sighting/ gunshots.

Several shots seem to have been heard, some accounts indicate automatic fire:
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- Some machine gun volleys were fired. Then I said to the wife: Now they're shooting that damn thing down out there, says Helge Madsen, who also witnessed the incident, to Radio IIII.
Dagbladet Ringkøbing-Skjern, 16 October 2025
 
John J. said:
It's not been confirmed so far that any weapons were used.

Witnesses in a residential area claim to have heard firing from the Borris Skydeterræn (military training area).
We know that there was no live firing scheduled. I mused in #531 that this might not rule out training with blank rounds. (Or other pyrotechnics, come to that).
The area had been closed to the public at sunset as per usual, just over an hour before the claimed drone sighting/ gunshots.

Several shots seem to have been heard, some accounts indicate automatic fire:
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- Some machine gun volleys were fired. Then I said to the wife: Now they're shooting that damn thing down out there, says Helge Madsen, who also witnessed the incident, to Radio IIII.
Dagbladet Ringkøbing-Skjern, 16 October 2025
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But it's the combination of the first story, where people reported they heard shots, and the later story that journalists had heard from several independent sources within the Danish military, that they shot at a drone that evening, that makes the whole story interesting.

...and of cause the fact that it was a plane the people saw.
But again, like in the airport, maybe there was a russian drone at the exact same time as the plane...
 
ThomasH said:
But again, like in the airport, maybe there was a russian drone at the exact same time as the plane...
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:) I think you're probably right to be sceptical about a foreign reconnaissance RPV over Borris Skydeterræn, I guess it's unlikely any strikingly new military technologies or tactics are being tested there out in the open on a Sunday evening. And there's always,
"OK, they saw a drone. Why didn't they see the plane?"

I think the evidence you've provided (including PM Mette Frederiksen's comments in one of the reports you linked to) supports the possibility of personnel at Borris Skydeterræn firing at what they believed was a drone (and having authorisation to do so).
I was just responding to Z.W. Wolf's question; it's not been confirmed there was firing so we don't know what weapons were used.
Reports of automatic fire being heard don't help much as the Danish army's standard issue rifles are capable of automatic fire.

Changing the subject a bit, Borris is pretty much on the opposite side of Denmark to Copenhagen.
If there were mysterious drones at both Copenhagen and Borris, it must be unlikely they shared a common launch location, because that would require (for at least one of the two destinations) a substantial unobserved flight over land (e.g. hypothetical ship-based drones from the Baltic might conceivably buzz Copenhagen, but they'd have to cross most of Denmark- or at least the Jutland peninsula- to reach Borris).

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John J. said:
Changing the subject a bit, Borris is pretty much on the opposite side of Denmark to Copenhagen.
If there were mysterious drones at both Copenhagen and Borris, it must be unlikely they shared a common launch location, because that would require (for at least one of the two destinations) a substantial unobserved flight over land (e.g. hypothetical ship-based drones from the Baltic might conceivably buzz Copenhagen, but they'd have to cross most of Denmark- or at least the Jutland peninsula- to reach Borris).
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Danish TV channel TV2 with input from a military pilot has already cast significant doubt on Copenhagen.

They used information released by the Swedish police that were themselves looking at the sky at the time.

https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2025...-kiggede-svensk-politi-med-her-er-hvad-de-saa

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UAV Hive said:
Danish TV channel TV2 with input from a military pilot has already cast significant doubt on Copenhagen.

They used information released by the Swedish police that were themselves looking at the sky at the time.

https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2025...-kiggede-svensk-politi-med-her-er-hvad-de-saa

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Correct.
Actually the only thing we have left, after EVERYTHING has turned out to be planes, helicopter and stars, is the airport saying: Trust me bro, we have proof.
 
gargamel said:
You'd think that if anybody in the know (in Danish military and government circles) actually still suspected that these indeed were foreign drones, there'd be more of an ongoing hoolabaloo. But it all went silent.
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It"s always the case after a mistake, the authorities just hope the whole matter goes away and that people forget.

I know at least one Danish journalist has put in Freedom of Information requests.

Almost 7 years on we're still fighting FOIAs on Gatwick in the UK...
 
UAV Hive said:
It"s always the case after a mistake, the authorities just hope the whole matter goes away and that people forget.

I know at least one Danish journalist has put in Freedom of Information requests.

Almost 7 years on we're still fighting FOIAs on Gatwick in the UK...
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What makes this case far more serious than New Jersey, Gatwick etc., is that they blamed a nation with 5,000 nuclear missiles aimed at us for "attacking" us with drones!
 
ThomasH said:
What makes this case far more serious than New Jersey, Gatwick etc., is that they blamed a nation with 5,000 nuclear missiles aimed at us for "attacking" us with drones!
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Obviously an important point, and there doesn't appear to be any testable evidence that a state actor is behind the drones- or indeed much (other than eyewitness) evidence that there was a drone issue at all.

However, the government of the accused nation has been involved in espionage, some acts of sabotage, murders using radioisotopes and nerve agents and online disinformation campaigns in Western and pro-western nations, and is currently making large scale use of drones- from modified off-the shelf "hobbyist" types to purpose-built long-range explosives delivery platforms- in a war of territorial expansion that they chose to initiate.

If the Russian government is sensitive about being accused of causing disruption and avoidable suffering in other countries, they should stop causing disruption and avoidable suffering in other countries.

It's not surprising that, in the event of a perceived drone "threat", the Danish (or any other Western) government might put Russia high on the list of suspects. Hopefully, the increasing evidence discussed here and elsewhere that some drone flaps are just that will enable the authorities in Denmark and elsewhere to have a better-informed response in future, but the possibility of foreign-sponsored malicious/ nuisance use of drones will remain (I guess reports of drone sightings near airports might in themselves be malicious acts by disaffected/ irresponsible persons, and could be leveraged by state actors although we have no evidence for this having happened).
 
The only Russian drones that have been positively identified outside of RU/UKR/BLR were of the winged variety, in areas adjacent to the ongoing conflict, and honestly always seemed like jammed strays, so quite possibly or even likely did not intentionally wind up anywhere outside of the ongoing conflict over there.

Similar winged Ukrainian long-range drones have likewise crashed multiple times in the Baltic states and even in Kazakhstan as recently as a few days ago. Jammed, malfunctioned, whatever.

Anyhow, the characteristics of these confirmed, (probably stray) fixed-wing suicide drones are not reconcilable with the huge, loitering for hours, silent, quadcopter, whatever that have been reported from elsewhere. I believe I pointed out this obvious discrepancy before.

Russia's got unmanned aerial vehicles over there, therefore it is somehow a reasonable hypothesis that a set of aerial lights that do not in any way match the look or behavior of those, nor geographically connected, but they share the common characteristic of being apparently airborne, so they must too be Russian...? That is bonkers logic. But with the same bonkers logic, they might as well be Ukrainian.

But they're not any of those, they aren't drones at all.
 
Mendel said:
... flying drones into Polish, Romanian and Latvian airspace without consent, and is on a very short list of countries who do that.
So the accusation is not entirely unwarranted.
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Although the most recent (2 days ago, but part of an ongoing annoyance for weeks) Baltic State incursion news was simply smugglers (fags, IIRC?) with weather balloons causing the shutdown of VLN, and nothing to do with anything governmental (which I, and all belarusians I know, consider to be a puppet of Russia). So even if you can point fingers at real things coming from identifiable countries you can't necessarily be sure it's even sanctioned by said state.
 
gargamel said:
Russia's got unmanned aerial vehicles over there, therefore it is somehow a reasonable hypothesis that a set of aerial lights that do not in any way match the look or behavior of those, nor geographically connected, but they share the common characteristic of being apparently airborne, so they must too be Russian...? That is bonkers logic.
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Point taken, but the current Russian government has demonstrably engaged in illegal violent acts, hostile surveillance and border infringements against a number of European nations with which it is not at war.

Russian manned warplanes, reportedly three MiG-31s, violated Estonian airspace on 19 September 2025.
"Russian fighter jets violated Estonian airspace for 12 minutes, officials say: "Unprecedentedly brazen" ", CBS News 19 Sept. 2025,
"Estonia seeks Nato consultation after Russian jets violate airspace", BBC News updated 20 September 2025.
Estonia is not geographically connected to Ukraine. Russian aircraft have GPS.

The Russian drone incursion into Poland involved nineteen unarmed drones, including Gerberas. It is hard to see why only drones of a type frequently used as decoys during armed drone attacks in Ukraine would be diverted by Ukrainian systems, but not their more lethal "kin".
"Accidental or deliberate? Russia's drone incursion into Poland is a test for Nato", BBC News 10 September 2025, also
"Analysts identify images of drones used in Polish incursion", BBC News 10 September 2025.
Two Gerbera drones were found in Lithuania, one at the Gaižiūnai military training area 100 km from the Belarus border (Lithuania has no border with Ukraine; it has a border to the west with the Russian enclave Kaliningrad). It is possible they were spoofed by Ukrainian systems; if so they then flew across Belarus without being intercepted and one by chance landed near a military base; Wikipedia, Gerbera (drone).

If a Western government believes drones are being used to disrupt normal civil functions, or that unauthorised drones are flying over military establishments, it is not surprising that they might consider Russian involvement.
"...they share the common characteristic of being apparently airborne, so they must too be Russian...?" is of course a valid criticism of the response to the claimed Copenhagen airport sightings, but equally "Only manned Russian aircraft and fixed-wing drones have demonstrably violated Western nation's airspace, so we can rule out quadcopters" might be overly optimistic.

Russian interests have sponsored low-key criminal attacks in the West making use of local "recruits", e.g.
"Gang who set fire to warehouse in London for the Wagner Group are jailed", Metro 24 October 2025, "Men jailed over arson attack for Russia on Ukrainian business in London", BBC News 24 October 2024 .
Hobby drones are easily obtained and clearly have the potential to interfere with legitimate aviation activities.

None of which makes the claimed Copenhagen airport sightings more likely to be Russian or Russian-sponsored drones, as the presence of any unauthorised drones there (or at Borris Skydeterræn) has not been demonstrated, very possibly because there weren't any.
But I think it is understandable that Western agencies initially believing that they are dealing with a specific "drone problem" might consider Russian involvement, and sadly it's a possibility that they will continue to have to be aware of.
 
gargamel said:
Dutch article from last week commented on it, largely reiterating all that's been said above but might as well toss it in here for record's sake:
https://www.dronewatch.nl/2025/10/2...n-bewijs-voor-hybride-drone-aanval-op-europa/
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Well, at least there was one sighting that wasn't a conventional aircraft or a star...

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Following an alleged drone sighting over the Sleipner gas platform in the North Sea, police examined video footage, shipping data, and radar information. This revealed that it was likely a passing ship —and not a drone.
(Google Translated from Dutch)
 
John J. said:
Russian manned warplanes, reportedly three MiG-31s, violated Estonian airspace on 19 September 2025.
"Russian fighter jets violated Estonian airspace for 12 minutes, officials say: "Unprecedentedly brazen" ", CBS News 19 Sept. 2025,
"Estonia seeks Nato consultation after Russian jets violate airspace", BBC News updated 20 September 2025.
Estonia is not geographically connected to Ukraine. Russian aircraft have GPS.
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The Estonian airspace thing isn't really news, they've been doing it irregularly for decades, many times a year, sometimes several times a month. However, that 12 minute incursion was somewhat special, as if you're flying in a straight line it doesn't even take a minute to cross that patch of our airspace.

More on-topic to a drone story is a drone story:
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Two unidentified drones flew near the Reedo military barracks in South Estonia on October 17 and allied forces shot one of them down.

"Allies detected drones flying in the immediate vicinity of the 2nd Infantry Brigade campus at 4:30 p.m. on October 17, one of which was brought down using an anti-drone rifle," EDF Headquarters spokesperson Liis Vaksmann told Postimees.

According to Vaksmann, the Defense Forces, in cooperation with the Police and Border Guard Board, attempted to locate the downed drone, but it could not be found in the area where it was believed to have crashed.

"The EDF does not comment in detail on security-related incidents," she noted.

The Reedo Barracks is home to the U.S. Army's 5th Squadron, 7th Cavalry Regiment (5-7 CAV), an armored reconnaissance squadron.
-- https://news.err.ee/1609841727/nato-allies-shoot-down-unidentified-drone-over-us-barracks-in-estonia
 
I think it very concerning that our governments (EU member here) are pushing for all kinds of investments and other things like "drone walls", based on practically ZERO evidence. And meanwhile, they get away with it because the average EU member 1) does not give a sh*t or 2) is misinformed by the main media.
 
Ravi said:
I think it very concerning that our governments (EU member here) are pushing for all kinds of investments and other things like "drone walls", based on practically ZERO evidence.
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Well, the evidence we need investments in defense is the war Russia is waging on our doorsteps (and it's a pretty big evidence).
 
Ravi said:
I think it very concerning that our governments (EU member here) are pushing for all kinds of investments and other things like "drone walls", based on practically ZERO evidence.
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Waiting before a potential adversary (which has used prohibited weapons to murder people in Western nations, as well as conducting a range of other hostile and illegal activities against those nations) to actually deploy a capability, that they are known to possess, against us before considering countermeasures wouldn't be a very effective defence policy.

The probable absence of drones (or at least an organised drone "threat") at Copenhagen airport and Borris Skydeterræn are of interest to us, as we're into examining unusual claims and reports of strange things in the sky, and we're aware of precedents (the NJ 2024 drone flap, "Washington invasion", Belgian black triangles etc.)
But the fact that the Copenhagen airport drone reports might be a flap doesn't alter the fact that a potential adversary has a substantial drone (and RPV) capability and has shown a willingness to kill people, destroy property and wage misinformation campaigns and cyber attacks in our nations, and might well have territorial ambitions on some of those nations, just as it patently has with Ukraine.
Precautions against the (hopefully small) possibility of overt hostile drone use might well be cheaper than the consequences of an attack. Some preparedness might reduce the risk of hostile actors using their drone capability and (perhaps inadvertently) causing damage that might carry the risk of further escalation.
 
John J. said:
Waiting before a potential adversary (which has used prohibited weapons to murder people in Western nations, as well as conducting a range of other hostile and illegal activities against those nations) to actually deploy a capability, that they are known to possess, against us before considering countermeasures wouldn't be a very effective defence policy.

The probable absence of drones (or at least an organised drone "threat") at Copenhagen airport and Borris Skydeterræn are of interest to us, as we're into examining unusual claims and reports of strange things in the sky, and we're aware of precedents (the NJ 2024 drone flap, "Washington invasion", Belgian black triangles etc.)
But the fact that the Copenhagen airport drone reports might be a flap doesn't alter the fact that a potential adversary has a substantial drone (and RPV) capability and has shown a willingness to kill people, destroy property and wage misinformation campaigns and cyber attacks in our nations, and might well have territorial ambitions on some of those nations, just as it patently has with Ukraine.
Precautions against the (hopefully small) possibility of overt hostile drone use might well be cheaper than the consequences of an attack. Some preparedness might reduce the risk of hostile actors using their drone capability and (perhaps inadvertently) causing damage that might carry the risk of further escalation.
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It's getting too political now I think. :(
No matter how bad Putin is behaving, let's stick to the debunking
 
John J. said:
Waiting before a potential adversary (which has used prohibited weapons to murder people in Western nations, as well as conducting a range of other hostile and illegal activities against those nations) to actually deploy a capability, that they are known to possess, against us before considering countermeasures wouldn't be a very effective defence policy.

The probable absence of drones (or at least an organised drone "threat") at Copenhagen airport and Borris Skydeterræn are of interest to us, as we're into examining unusual claims and reports of strange things in the sky, and we're aware of precedents (the NJ 2024 drone flap, "Washington invasion", Belgian black triangles etc.)
But the fact that the Copenhagen airport drone reports might be a flap doesn't alter the fact that a potential adversary has a substantial drone (and RPV) capability and has shown a willingness to kill people, destroy property and wage misinformation campaigns and cyber attacks in our nations, and might well have territorial ambitions on some of those nations, just as it patently has with Ukraine.
Precautions against the (hopefully small) possibility of overt hostile drone use might well be cheaper than the consequences of an attack. Some preparedness might reduce the risk of hostile actors using their drone capability and (perhaps inadvertently) causing damage that might carry the risk of further escalation.
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One of those dumb Gerard Butler action movies a few years ago (Angel Has Fallen, 2019) has the villains launching a truckload of small AI-controlled suicide quadcopters to attempt to assassinate the president.

It seemed ludicrously over the top at the time... but now it's expected that any significant conflict is going to involve massive swarms of larger drones, especially if China goes after Taiwan.
 
Another airport was closed in Germany (Berlin) for a bit more than an hour and it's kind of hard to not roll my eyes at it

https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-airport-briefly-halts-flights-due-to-drone-sightings/a-74579743

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Air traffic at Berlin Brandenburg Airport was temporarily suspended on Friday evening following drone sightings, causing delays and flight diversions.

An airport spokesman said takeoffs and landings were suspended between 8:08 p.m. (1908 GMT) and 9:58 p.m. local time, and that a "whole series of flights" were diverted to other German cities during the closure.

He added that Berlin's ban on night flights was also relaxed to mitigate the impact on flight operations. "We assume that the danger has been averted for the time being," the spokesman said.

What do we know about the incident?


At around 8 p.m. (19:00 GMT), a witness reported seeing a drone, prompting the closure of the airport's northern runway, according to a police spokesman.

Officers in a patrol car later observed a drone as well, but were unable to locate it.

The incident prompted a significant response, including the deployment of a police helicopter. Germany's Federal Aviation Office also joined the operation.
Just the same old story, someone saw something, police officers also saw something, the airport is closed until someone that knows what they are doing can check from the sky, no pictures or videos of the drones in question.

Also, the article got the hours mixed up, the airport closed at around 8:58PM (though I'd put it closer to 8:56-57PM) and opened back up at 10:08PM (literally 5 minutes after they sent a helicopter up in the sky to check)

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?replay=2025-10-31-19:56&lat=52.384&lon=13.499&zoom=12.8
 
Calter said:
Another airport was closed in Germany (Berlin) for a bit more than an hour and it's kind of hard to not roll my eyes at it

https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-airport-briefly-halts-flights-due-to-drone-sightings/a-74579743

External Quote:

Air traffic at Berlin Brandenburg Airport was temporarily suspended on Friday evening following drone sightings, causing delays and flight diversions.

An airport spokesman said takeoffs and landings were suspended between 8:08 p.m. (1908 GMT) and 9:58 p.m. local time, and that a "whole series of flights" were diverted to other German cities during the closure.

He added that Berlin's ban on night flights was also relaxed to mitigate the impact on flight operations. "We assume that the danger has been averted for the time being," the spokesman said.

What do we know about the incident?


At around 8 p.m. (19:00 GMT), a witness reported seeing a drone, prompting the closure of the airport's northern runway, according to a police spokesman.

Officers in a patrol car later observed a drone as well, but were unable to locate it.

The incident prompted a significant response, including the deployment of a police helicopter. Germany's Federal Aviation Office also joined the operation.
Just the same old story, someone saw something, police officers also saw something, the airport is closed until someone that knows what they are doing can check from the sky, no pictures or videos of the drones in question.

Also, the article got the hours mixed up, the airport closed at around 8:58PM (though I'd put it closer to 8:56-57PM) and opened back up at 10:08PM (literally 5 minutes after they sent a helicopter up in the sky to check)

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?replay=2025-10-31-19:56&lat=52.384&lon=13.499&zoom=12.8
Click to expand...

And let me guess, "It flew right over me" and "It was 100% NOT a plane"
 
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