Continuation of the discussion about the value of Debunking and Disclosure

boringrealit

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The last thread was closed by mods. The old thread: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/wa...-war-releases-uap-files-2026-release-1.14870/

I was arguing for Disclosure being necessary to debunk the claims of the Disclosure movement. Others argued against it for different reasons. One reason that got repeated was regarding if it was any point since UFO-believers never will change their mind no matter what. Which also makes debunking pointless, but my impression was that the resistance had more to do with... - well, dogmatism, to put it politely - rather than an actual belief that it was hopeless to change peoples mind.

Anyway, I feel that this is just a sort strawman-character, where everyone that believes in UFOs is seen as a dogmatic fanatic. Most believers are probably very open-minded or at least nowhere hear that caricature. So I found this bit of statistic interesting:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/americ...on-poll/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=959172243

A majority of 51% believe UFOs might be aliens. This is the group I am talking about and which I think can change their mind if the claims about USG documentation is disproven, or at the very least denied.

The more hardcore true believers that others here might have in mind is probably part of the 21% that think aliens have already been in contact. But even that group is unlikely to be impossible to persuade with more data. 21% is a very large chunk of the population.

And another support for my position is that 84% think the USG knows more about UFOs than they are admitting. As I said, there is an enormous distrust of USG, and a lack of transparency in this will only make it worse. That is how you create conspiracy theorists. Of course, there are more urgent things to release, such as the Epstein Files, but that would very likely have the opposite effect and prove the conspiracy theorists right...
 
That's what causes skeptics to groan. I don't really know what the government knows; so many things have been claimed recently. Far out stuff. I don't think anymore that a public announcement would be a good idea. People are just too crazy.

I was surprised to hear Spielberg say he is completely convinced based on circumstantial evidence. Where I was with the evidence before seeing what I did, was about 80% sure something strange was going on. He doesn't get the light show, apparently.
 
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I was arguing for Disclosure being necessary to debunk the claims of the Disclosure movement. Others argued against it for different reasons. One reason that got repeated was regarding if it was any point since UFO-believers never will change their mind no matter what. Which also makes debunking pointless, but my impression was that the resistance had more to do with... - well, dogmatism, to put it politely - rather than an actual belief that it was hopeless to change peoples mind.
To me, it's not about disproving alien visitations or even claims that the US government knows all about them. That simply can't be done. It's about testing each piece of claimed evidence individually.

I'm not religious, but I have no problem with people believing in God. However, if someone claims to be able to prove the creation myth, or claims to have found the remains of Noah's Ark, then those claims should be challenged.

Debunking alleged UFO evidence is a way to help more people make up their own minds about the UFO subject based on facts rather than claims made by the UFO community. Demanding access to "hidden UFO files" and asking for "secret videos" that we don't even know exist is therefore not the way to go.
 
Demanding access to "hidden UFO files" and asking for "secret videos" that we don't even know exist is therefore not the way to go.
I think some congresspeople and others know of specific videos they are trying to get released. I think many of them consider those so far to be pretty unconvincing. I think that's what I've been hearing.
 
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