Chemtrail logistics: How many NWO black-ops people are required?

BombDr

Senior Member.
I don't really follow the whole Chemtrailn thing, as I regard it implausible on many levels, and after watching "Some Grey Bloke's" brilliant argument on Youtube illustrating the problems with the theory, I dismissed it as there is only so much space in my tiny brain for such things.


However, I signed up to a page on Facebook called "Conspiracy theorists say the darndest things", which I recommend, but too many of the quotes are about Chemtrails to ignore them.


So, using logic and known logistical parameters, and as Im attached to an RAF unit here with access to lots of Aircrew and Groundcrew, as well as being located on a very active airfield, Im wondering if anyone here can work out the total number of conspirators required to execute this plan.


1. How many people are required to manufacture the chemicals?
2. How many people are required to transport them to the planes?
3. Do the planes leave Boeing Field or Toulouse with the spraying equipment fitted, or are the planes retrofitted?
4. Who and how many people load the chemicals in the planes?
5. Are all the planes military, or are Airliners used unwittingly?
6. Is this a worldwide event with the Conspirators having enough influence to spray over every country?
7. How many people in the CAA, FAA, and EPA are required to cover it up?

I have about 32 hrs in light aircraft, with the odd jolly in a military plane, so am no aviation expert by any stretch, but I have seen a few people posting on Metabunk who are, so would welcome any other logistic problems I am unaware of.

The purpose of this is not to ridicule Chemtrailers, but to provoke thought into the practical realities of such a plan.
 

cloudspotter

Senior Member.
5. The majority of the 'spray' planes are being identified (by believers) as commercial flights on normal routes.

6. There are reports of chemtrails on Facebook etc from all over the world and you can find pictures of what believers would call chemtrails on Flickr from countries like china.

In other words it would be a massive worldwide operation
 

BombDr

Senior Member.
5. The majority of the 'spray' planes are being identified (by believers) as commercial flights on normal routes.

6. There are reports of chemtrails on Facebook etc from all over the world and you can find pictures of what believers would call chemtrails on Flickr from countries like china.

In other words it would be a massive worldwide operation

I thought as much, but wanted confirmation from someone more familiar with the accepted beliefs of the subject.

As a military planner, we use a process called 'the Estimate' as a planning tool to arrange all the relevant information into a logical order. The US Military use a similar process called Military Decision Making Process or MDMP.

One of the most comminly used phrases is 'so what?' whenever new information is receieved, so in a military context, if it were discovered the enemy have a new sniper capability with an effective range of 600m, the 'so-what' that would fall out of that would be to make sure my guys have a weapon that can engage at 800m, or conversley, keep my guys protected within 600m of a known sniper position. New enemy armoured vehicle with better armour? - so what? - Get an anti-armour weapon that can defeat the better armour.

So, in our chemtrail scenario we need to evaluate the 'so-whats'.

If chemtrails are worldwide, there will be a figure-to-be-decided number of people required to make it work - so what- if the chemtrails are some sort of poison that is inhaled or ingested, what counter-measure do the conspirators take to protect themselves?

If commercial planes are used, are the crew aware, and if so, how are they protected?How do you get the crew to sign up to this plan, and how do you keep it all secret? What would the conspirators contingency be against whistleblowers?
 

David Fraser

Senior Member.
I was with the Airborne Brigade at the time and I have an understanding of the operations around aircraft, however I will address number 7.

7. How many people in the CAA, FAA, and EPA are required to cover it up?

How long is a piece of string? After leaving the military I went to the University of Hull and studied Marine Biology, after which my first job was with the Seafish Industry Authority then an arm of MAFF. I won't bore you with the minute but I did install water recycling systems and that meant having water/rainwater samples been analysed. I worked in the Humber basin, well Hull and Grimsby, which is downwind of Megawatt Alley (Trent Valley) and the Drax power station, the largest coal fired powerstation in Europe. To use rainwater and treat it as a potable supply obviously quality is an issue so it was tested. A lot! There are quality standards set at 200 ug/l Al for a potable water supply that has to be adhered to and given most harvesting systems involve aluminium roofs you need to keep on top of it. However I digress. I had to look at so many variables and contact so many people. I worked within 2 water companies and 5 Local Authorities.

So lets start from there. Everyone in a water company involved in analysis has to be in on it. Everyone involved in PM10 analysis for a Local Authority has to be in on it. Every University department that studies water or air pollution has to be in on it. The people of the Soil Association have to be in on it. Greenpeace have to be in on it. For the Yorkshire area alone I would say 15 to 20 hundred people, at ground level i.e. not involving aircraft. Do I need to carry on??
 

BombDr

Senior Member.
I didn't even consider the environmentalists. Seeing as they can go Kamekaze if my local council want to prune a tree, why are they not marching on the Airports in their thousands?

Then we have "Plane Stupid" ( http://www.planestupid.com/) which are an air-travel protest group that invade aiprorts to disrupt flights because of the poisons that the engines emit, let alone poisons deliberately put in the planes...
 

JRBids

Senior Member.
If chemtrails are worldwide, there will be a figure-to-be-decided number of people required to make it work - so what- if the chemtrails are some sort of poison that is inhaled or ingested, what counter-measure do the conspirators take to protect themselves?


There are many variations on the chemtrail "theory". Some involve the "elite" taking an antidote.

If commercial planes are used, are the crew aware, and if so, how are they protected?How do you get the crew to sign up to this plan, and how do you keep it all secret? What would the conspirators contingency be against whistleblowers?

One variation the aim is for a "slow kill". The crew is not aware or are told it is harmless. Since it's going to take a long time to kill them "they" can get away with that.
 

David Fraser

Senior Member.
I didn't even consider the environmentalists. Seeing as they can go Kamekaze if my local council want to prune a tree, why are they not marching on the Airports in their thousands?

Then we have "Plane Stupid" ( http://www.planestupid.com/) which are an air-travel protest group that invade aiprorts to disrupt flights because of the poisons that the engines emit, let alone poisons deliberately put in the planes...

I am friends with another lad that posts on here. Through Facebook he got me interested in Chemtrails. Compared to others I have very little knowledge on atmospherics etc but I have a good understanding of the claims that WITWATS makes is happening on the ground. To cover up a worldwide increase in blah blah or blah in the soil would need in itself hundreds of thousands of people. Forgive me if I am wrong. You are an officer and from that I presume you have a degree, and probably a science degree? You do a research project/dissertation? I did mine in oxidative rancidity and production of free radicals in fish. I had 100 students on my course in Biology, but there would be a similar number in Chemistry etc. Multiply that number across Yorkshire, England, The World (avoiding Scotland). How many academics or researchers have to be in on this? As far as I am aware no student is looking at Chemtrails

This is my main point against Chemtrails.
 

cloudspotter

Senior Member.
If commercial planes are used, are the crew aware, and if so, how are they protected?How do you get the crew to sign up to this plan, and how do you keep it all secret? What would the conspirators contingency be against whistleblowers?

The crew would need the most protection of all since the bleed air fed into the cabin is unfiltered and in theory they would be flying through this stuff and sucking it straight in.
 

David Fraser

Senior Member.
Totally off topic but say BombDr in a Brummy accent and it sounds like "BumDr". Freud would spunk himself silly over this.
 

Mick West

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I am friends with another lad that posts on here. Through Facebook he got me interested in Chemtrails. Compared to others I have very little knowledge on atmospherics etc but I have a good understanding of the claims that WITWATS makes is happening on the ground. To cover up a worldwide increase in blah blah or blah in the soil would need in itself hundreds of thousands of people. Forgive me if I am wrong. You are an officer and from that I presume you have a degree, and probably a science degree? You do a research project/dissertation? I did mine in oxidative rancidity and production of free radicals in fish. I had 100 students on my course in Biology, but there would be a similar number in Chemistry etc. Multiply that number across Yorkshire, England, The World (avoiding Scotland). How many academics or researchers have to be in on this? As far as I am aware no student is looking at Chemtrails

This is my main point against Chemtrails.

It's also a main point against the 9/11 controlled demolition theory. But when I bring it up the rebuttals are a melange of:

1) Scientists are only concerned with getting funding, so would not do anything to jeopardize that
2) Scientists HAVE looked at it, haven't you seen the videos?
3) Scientists know if they look into it they will end up like Danny Jewenko, or Ted Gunderson.
4) It's done in a way the scientists can't detect.

But it's a very valid argument. If ordinary people like Dane Wigington, or Richard Gage can figure it out, then then number of people with far more relevant experience and intelligence who can figure it out must rank in the millions.

The only way out of this is to go with #4, but then that means that you can't detect it either, so why believe in it?

GeorgeB had an argument that they were probably doing it, as it seems like something they would do, but they would do it in an undetectable way.
 

Mick West

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Staff member
And extending that, you'd also have to include all the skeptics and debunkers into the count (which many people do, for many version of the theory). Seeing as we are (generally) quite intelligent and familiar with the arguments, then for their position to be at all tenable (tests show....) we would have realized were are wrong.

So why am I not squealing?
 

BombDr

Senior Member.
I am friends with another lad that posts on here. Through Facebook he got me interested in Chemtrails. Compared to others I have very little knowledge on atmospherics etc but I have a good understanding of the claims that WITWATS makes is happening on the ground. To cover up a worldwide increase in blah blah or blah in the soil would need in itself hundreds of thousands of people. Forgive me if I am wrong. You are an officer and from that I presume you have a degree, and probably a science degree? You do a research project/dissertation? I did mine in oxidative rancidity and production of free radicals in fish. I had 100 students on my course in Biology, but there would be a similar number in Chemistry etc. Multiply that number across Yorkshire, England, The World (avoiding Scotland). How many academics or researchers have to be in on this? As far as I am aware no student is looking at Chemtrails

This is my main point against Chemtrails.

Even though I am Royal Engineer, I read Islamic Studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, which no doubt is a NWO hotbed as the Rothschilds donated a park bench or something in 1968...
 

BombDr

Senior Member.
It's also a main point against the 9/11 controlled demolition theory. But when I bring it up the rebuttals are a melange of:

1) Scientists are only concerned with getting funding, so would not do anything to jeopardize that
2) Scientists HAVE looked at it, haven't you seen the videos?
3) Scientists know if they look into it they will end up like Danny Jewenko, or Ted Gunderson.
4) It's done in a way the scientists can't detect.

But it's a very valid argument. If ordinary people like Dane Wigington, or Richard Gage can figure it out, then then number of people with far more relevant experience and intelligence who can figure it out must rank in the millions.

The only way out of this is to go with #4, but then that means that you can't detect it either, so why believe in it?

GeorgeB had an argument that they were probably doing it, as it seems like something they would do, but they would do it in an undetectable way.

As with all these things, my approach is all about the practicalities. If the evil overlords decided they needed us to inhale a chemical, Im not sure fitting aircraft that they do not actually control with sprays is the most efficient or discreet way of doing it. If one set of spray equipment was discovered on, say, a British Airways jet, Im pretty sure every British Airways jet would be grounded pending investigation, followed by every other airline in the world. The game would be up, instantly.

With all these eleborate and implausible conspiracies, they only need a single failure in the chain and the whole plan is buggered. Whenever I ask the true believers simple questions like 'how is it done, by how many people?' they never want to discuss it, the same way when I asked about how many conspirators were on 911, the most couragous answer I got was "not many".

If their argument is 'it's undetectable', then I really cannot fathom why they bother.
 

David Fraser

Senior Member.
Even though I am Royal Engineer, I read Islamic Studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, which no doubt is a NWO hotbed as the Rothschilds donated a park bench or something in 1968...

I apologise for any inference that it was a criticism. I did not mean that. My only inference was that you had a degree and critical thinking skills (although some officers have them ;) ) I left as a Staff Sergeant in the RAMC btw'. I hope I get the chance to buy you a beer
 

BombDr

Senior Member.
I apologise for any inference that it was a criticism. I did not mean that. My only inference was that you had a degree and critical thinking skills (although some officers have them ;) ) I left as a Staff Sergeant in the RAMC btw'. I hope I get the chance to buy you a beer

None taken, I'm actually doing this in between tasks, and sometimes Im just sat here waiting for updates or RFIs to be answered. This unfortunatly means some of my responses are in haste which get misinterpreted as bruskness.

But you are right, I think rationally at all times, and when I'm told something fantastical or fanciful, I ask for the details.
They always fail on the details, then the risk and consequences of exposure, then the maintenance of the lie - it is simply implausible that a kind of secret like any of the major conspiracy theories can be kept secret.

If the NSA can't keep secret that they do what everyone assumed they did anyway, which is a fairly undeadly 'reading of emails, texts and listening to phone calls', or any other non-lethal activity, then why is is plausible that a secret cabal of thousands of people can keep secrets of genocide without a single one getting drunk, trying to impress a lover, sell their story to a newspaper, or simply get a conscience about it....

I think its about time we did the 'Whistleblower thread'.

Im back in a month and will accept beer as bribery...
 

pseacraft

Active Member
If you do Decompression in CY let me know, I'll buy you a pint at "Mom's" before Dave gets a chance at home! :cool:
 

BombDr

Senior Member.
If you do Decompression in CY let me know, I'll buy you a pint at "Mom's" before Dave gets a chance at home! :cool:

Thats the plan, and it will be about a month from now, but I think we are only staying overnight in Bloodhound before back to Blighty the next day... More than happy for a pint of anything, as we are cruelly dry here, apart from 'them'...

I'v really had enough of this place now...
 

Danny55

Senior Member.
OK Biggerdave, I'll bite. "I had 100 students on my course in Biology, but there would be a similar number in Chemistry etc. Multiply that number across Yorkshire, England, The World (avoiding Scotland)." Why avoiding Scotland???
 

pseacraft

Active Member
Danny - Maybe because the Yorkies are jealous that the wisely Scots won't share their sheep? :eek: You know Yorkies! That's my guess after living a few miles away from Montrose for 2 years sometime back... :D
 
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