Charlie Kirk Shooting

For *notices buldge* OwO what's this?", that's associated with furries. I don't see it being a trans thing.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/notices-bulge-owo-whats-this

Maybe the "Pro-Trans messaging" was just a miscommunication.
That and also good example of my point yesterday on why proper categorization of these things is important. The average conservative who isn't hyper-online will likely connect that sort of furry and anime-esque speech to trans subjects. This unfortunately would be an exaggeration but isn't entirely baseless since the audiences that use that term do frequently overlap with say trans audiences in a micro-environment sense (eg very easy to find colocated audiences in the same internet groups and even cross-membership between audiences).
If we/X dictate that this is some sort of "trans" extremism simply based off the above, that'd be the same issue with ingroup frames driving the description not an actual objective one. It's also very poor and we shouldn't do that, so, that analytical end and proper categorization is very, very important.
 
That and also good example of my point yesterday on why proper categorization of these things is important. The average conservative who isn't hyper-online will likely connect that sort of furry and anime-esque speech to trans subjects
so Charlie Kirk disparaged furries too?
 
so Charlie Kirk disparaged furries too?
Not that I'm aware of, wasn't getting at that point if it seemed that way. Was getting more at (potentially false) descriptors and why analytically robust categorizations are important rather loose descriptors driven by social interest and framing (eg categorizing uwu type speak as "left speech" simply because the usage audiences cohabitate the same spaces and sometimes overlap - that is no bueno).
 
uwu type speak
was this supposed to be OWO? or is uwu something different?

it may be important to agencies that need to categorize these things but i think what should be focused on -in front of the public*-is the obvious immaturity of the shooter. If the media, which im sure it will, tries beating the "its not trans, its furries" drum..thats not gonna make things better for the trans. or the furries.

we should wait till the shooter tells us what he meant probably.

* i dont mean you posting here, i enjoy the knowledge base you bring, im referring to the media.
 
was this supposed to be OWO? or is uwu something different?

it may be important to agencies that need to categorize these things but i think what should be focused on -in front of the public*-is the obvious immaturity of the shooter. If the media, which im sure it will, tries beating the "its not trans, its furries" drum..thats not gonna make things better for the trans. or the furries.

we should wait till the shooter tells us what he meant probably.

* i dont mean you posting here, i enjoy the knowledge base you bring, im referring to the media.
Owo/Uwu is basically the same thing just folks may write it a bit differently (interestingly you can create distinct discernable use audiences w this but not super relevant to the discussion).

And yah agree on the rest that's my big worry. Even if the potential "trans" mistag gets skipped over, if people say its some "furry" driven extremism that's kind of the same exact problem I mentioned w/ the "zizians" where people narrow focused on one of those descriptive elements then made that the thing. In reality the person could've just simply been a furry and it had no discernable/little impact on their belief in this regard, or the violence aspect is more oriented towards self hate vs projected hatred, etc.
 
Given the current state of the FBI, thin résumé & apparent incompetence of FBI Director Kash Patel,
it's great fortune that Tyler Robinson was turned in by his dad.
Maybe things won't be so bad if we can get all evil-doers to be turned in by their parents.
 
Given the current state of the FBI, thin résumé & apparent incompetence of FBI Director Kash Patel,
it's great fortune that Tyler Robinson was turned in by his dad.
Maybe things won't be so bad if we can get all evil-doers to be turned in by their parents.
are you thinking the Police Departments and Sheriff departments and ATF can't accomplish anything without the help of the FBI?

(although Patels speech was pretty pathetic imo considering the shooter turned himself in. all i can think is Patel was more referring to the evidence work to convict the murderer. maybe.)
 
The arrows are how you summon a 500kg tactical nuke in the game Helldivers.

Edit: Mendel beat me to the wikipage.
Helldivers, or rather Helldivers 2, the modern version, is apparently getting pummeled in social media due to the reference.

Here's a meme from last year invoking the use of the arrows to summon a nuke:
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Helldivers 2 is a very 2020s game in that it riffs off of the "Starship Troopers" movie (more than the Heinlein source material it was loosely retconned onto) where an authoritarian regime fights alien bugs (sort of satirically), but in the game the players are spreading "Managed Democracy" across the galaxy on behalf of a brutal totalitarian regime.

So the players are very much enthusiastic cogs in the wheel of a fascist regime, but nudge-nudge, wink-wink ironically. It's dystopian satire... or is it? ;)
 
Writing messages on cartridges seems senseless to me as the cartridge stays with the gun. I don't know if it's even possible to engrave the actual bullet, though.
Edit: surely it's senseless either way, I mean the (deranged) logic behind it doesn't make sense.
 
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Writing messages on cartridges seems senseless to me as the cartridge stays with the gun. I don't know if it's even possible to engrave the actual bullet, though.
Well, guns are frequently recovered...as in this case.

Usually inscriptions, though, are, uh, a bit less lighthearted & meme-influenced.

Glad they got him...it will be interesting to hear him explain his thinking.

Hard to say whether it was a lark, or he was genuinely concerned about growing fascism/Christian Nationalism...
 
Well, guns are frequently recovered...as in this case.

Usually inscriptions, though, are, uh, a bit less lighthearted & meme-influenced.

Glad they got him...it will be interesting to hear him explain his thinking.

Hard to say whether it was a lark, or he was genuinely concerned about growing fascism/Christian Nationalism...
The young live in a different world:
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I can't imagine trying to explain this to my (late) mother... I see a lot of outlets are writing around that and focusing on the "Bella ciao" reference.
 
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I can't imagine trying to explain this to my (late) mother
how old are you? i need someone to explain it to me and ive been on Second Life off and on for years which is rife with furries, so i get the jist.. but still dont get it.
 
Hard to say whether it was a lark, or he was genuinely concerned about growing fascism/Christian Nationalism...
But of course the options are not limited to those two. There may be entirely personal reasons which we do not know.
 
Amazon's response for comment, reads in part:
even if we grant the afternoon of the 10th, based on the book description this was basically a troll ie empty page book and the user was just trying to steal people's money with clickbait. ? that's weird as Amazon doesnt send the payments that quickly to the sellers. People are strange.

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how old are you? i need someone to explain it to me and ive been on Second Life off and on for years which is rife with furries, so i get the jist.. but still dont get it.
Explain what? The furry thing in general or the extremist angle?

From the extremist angle I'd just offer anyone can be an extremist. How we code and speak about that is very subject to issues. Anyways though "what" type of extremist you are is going to be heavily based on sociocultural, sociopolitical, and socioreligious factors. As we increasingly see with the 'nihilistic' types, they are integrated heavily into internet meme culture and things of the sort will undoubtedly end up being present with their group.
If you want a weird example that doesn't get talked about much - I wouldn't even classify these as nihilistic. Anyways, there is an offshoot of the "Save Europe" movement w/ mostly youth (under-18s) that are into very memeified esoteric Nazism. You have perhaps seen the tiktoks where they'll lay "chud" type memes over hype music and call out to things like "Hyperborea"/"Agartha" and "Vril".
The thing is a lot of these kids aren't even racist necessarily either, it is very much internet memeing about the esoteric angle. It's "funny" stories about Nazi UFOs and Aliens working in Antarctica in some underground megacity. Of course, it touches on tricky subjects though, and if someone part of those communities were to become a violent extremist, it's likely this sort of meme-ified symbolic presentation would occur since its "part" of that persons psychology. So they may write some of the memes out on their, items, or in manifestos, etc.

There's a bit of a dynamic issue here too since the US heavily leads thoughts for these fields across most of the globe. There are differences of course in micro points but in re the broader sense.
If we go back to post 9/11, all the counterextremism focus went towards islamic extremism. About 10-15 years later, this began to be markedly noted as an issue that contributed to the 'rise' of right wing extremism. Why? Because not only did it get "missed" - the resources and interest in looking elsewhere were disincentivized. Right-wing extremism "wasn't a problem", or "it's not in enough quantity to focus on" (note its basically the same exact semantics used to defend against overfocusing on RW extremism and disincentivizing resources and interest elsewhere).
Just as we see now, back then, a lot of these people in these roles fell into that issue themselves. They didn't/don't see the problem until its too late, and then it's "oh yeah we were maybe a bit too narrow".

If we step back before that, a sad bit of irony. For as much as these apparatus' got hate pre-2000s for civil rights era reasons (that ARE STILL ENTIRELY LEGITIMATE ISSUES not a statement against that), that was actually really the only period they were formed closer-to-objectively. There was issues still of course but these sorts of narrow silos and debates didn't exist then (as an example, as much legitimate hate as COINTELPRO got, their heaviest resourced and most intensive investigation was into the KKK).
Now we go through rotating cycles of ideological interest by employees and management, and political interests by the administration. Manpower cycles can work odd in this regard (eg Staff A from President A may still be entirely present under President B and not change until President C) so there may be bits of lag time to "match" the administrations political interest.
Alas, joins the buckets of things that sounded great but we didn't really think out well, and created the exact greater issued form we were worried about. We largely don't talk about it now though because it's in the RW-angle cycle and 'controlled' by nominally left folks. These are the same folks that legitimately called out the issue with overfocusing on Islamic extremism, but have fallen into the issue themselves of overfocusing on RW extremism. Now the right unfortunately gets some accuracy wiggle room calling out the sort of narrow silo with that - althogh with the explicit note they exaggerate the hell out of the reality surrounding it (there's not some spooky mega liberal plot or anything). We basically pushed it into being a system explicitly driven by political interest, when these are subjects you do not want driven by political interest - in fact so much so that this is the exact line of reasoning used to advocate against issues in these fields up until 9/11 where they got resourced again because of the public scare w/ islamic extremism making it a socially acceptable capability to have again (of course would've happened anyways but with far less resources and attention/care towards it).
 
how old are you? i need someone to explain it to me and ive been on Second Life off and on for years which is rife with furries, so i get the jist.. but still dont get it.
How much time do you have?

The short answer is a there a subset of people who like to dress up and/or are attracted to anthropomorphic animals.

Imagine seeing Lola Bunny and thinking you want to do/be that.
 
in general. the young girl in jdogs post doesnt strike me as an extremist.
Ah yeah for that generic I dunno, there's a lot of factors. Contrary to some debate points though, "increases" in it don't magically happen. If children see other children doing it, and it's seen as socially acceptable and/or explicitly messaged around, it increases the likelihood more children do it. Esp if we talk internet culture and intersecting w/ adult audiences through things like games it gets way more complicated.

So, you'll have at least two very broad groups there, those who are "in" it for some unidentified X reason - and those who are into it based off social exposure and adoption due to such. I don't think there's any real good studies personally that answer the X reason for that respective group, although just extrapolating a bit it's likely a whole constellation of individual reasons for those folks not some linear singular answer.

I do detract from bogues "and/or" above, way more complex than that. I really caution offering a polarity like that where one end is based off more, questionable interests. Those cases are bound to be the minority and also offering that as a polarity is why we see some bad views against the concept overall cause they get the most attention from non-furry folks.
 
I do detract from bogues "and/or" above, way more complex than that. I really caution offering a polarity like that where one end is based off more, questionable interests. Those cases are bound to be the minority and also offering that as a polarity is why we see some bad views against the concept overall cause they get the most attention from non-furry folks.
I probably did over simplify a bit too much. I will add I'm fairly deep into parts of the fandom myself and it wasn't meant to be malicious. I just might be exposed to those parts a bit more than average.
 
I probably did over simplify a bit too much. I will add I'm fairly deep into parts of the fandom myself and it wasn't meant to be malicious. I just might be exposed to those parts a bit more than average.
That's fair enough. Didn't mean my bit meaning you were acting maliciously either, was getting at it more from how those sorts of polarities would end up happening with folks outside those audiences.
 
@boguesuser i dont want to know what a bogue is.. but all this time i thought you just misspelled bogus when you made your account! :) i'm glad to find out this is not the case as it was driving me a bit nuts.
Yeah... I totally haven't been misspelling that for a few years now...
Its totally an indepth reference that you wouldn't understand.
 
how old are you? i need someone to explain it to me and ive been on Second Life off and on for years which is rife with furries, so i get the jist.. but still dont get it.

OT Circa 2007 or so my mother brought up SL to me, talking about all the potential it had as a meeting space for organizations. She asked if I had heard of it.

I told her nope no idea.

There was zero chance I was going to have an in world conversation about places I'd visited.
 
OT Circa 2007 or so my mother brought up SL to me, talking about all the potential it had as a meeting space for organizations. She asked if I had heard of it.

I told her nope no idea.

There was zero chance I was going to have an in world conversation about places I'd visited.
that was some crazy idea they had that big companies like Pepsi and Facebook would make their employees (in different states/countries) all make avatars so they could hold business meetings in-world (or ad campaign stuff) and look at each others cartoon avatars while discussing sales numbers. why anyone would want to do that, i have zero idea.

i think they did have some inworld AA groups and such, which for people who didnt have access in real life could attend. and i did go through one "schizophrenia" organizations "art installation" that mimicked allegedly what its like to be in someones head who had that disease. that was informative.

But yea the idea never took off on any scale.
Furries are everywhere though :) well not everywhere you have to seek those areas out. i do have a few half animal "costumes"/avatars but only because i use SL to create as an artist and people have artistically created some beautiful things. (and for the record, human shaped cartoons having sex with other human shaped cartoons is just as silly -and sometimes dark, i hear- to me as the idea of animal shaped cartoons having sex with other animal shaped cartoons.)
 
That was also the era when Universities were trying to establish themselves within SL. More than a few empty campuses in world.

It was a crazy time then. The bar for creation was low, so you would have this occasional shop with a few t-shirts owned by some lovely older woman with no programming or design experience who was so proud of her work.

Unfortuntately the coming of mesh destroyed most of the little mom & pop places.
 
I'd like to note: they've released the cartridge "engravings" because they are now certain that they have the true culprit. They held the details back so they could weed out "confessing" attention-seeking imposters who wouldn't know what was written on them. Apparently this is no longer necessary.
 
perhaps. depending on how one's brain is wired. My examples were the same thing, i just removed the political aspect because we didnt know if politics was a factor at all. which was really the only point i was trying to make.
It can be difficult to know motives, even when the shooter is captured alive. Even the self-reported motives of a shooter can be incorrect.

According to reports - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)
When Brenda Spencer was asked why she shot students at Cleveland Elementary school she reportedly replied "I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day."
However, according to wiki -
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Later, during tests while she was in custody, it was discovered that Spencer had an injury to one of the temporal lobes of her brain. It was attributed to an accident on her bicycle.
Assuming the reporting of her statement is accurate, there is a good enough reason to doubt the reason for her actions was because she didn't like Mondays rather than she had a brain injury.
 
there is a good enough reason to doubt the reason for her her actions was because she didn't like Mondays rather than she had a brain injury.
i dont know. lots of people have brain injuries and they dont shoot people.
just like lots of trans have anger issues but dont shoot people.
and lots of people have male level testosterone and dont shoot people.

im guessing these things would fall into "aggravating conditions" rather than "the reason".

add: i do agree with your opening sentences.
 
i dont know. lots of people have brain injuries and they dont shoot people.
just like lots of trans have anger issues but dont shoot people.
and lots of people have male level testosterone and dont shoot people.

im guessing these things would fall into "aggravating conditions" rather than "the reason".

add: i do agree with your opening sentences.
I'm not a psychiatrist, and I don't know how to interpret what impact that injury may or may not have had. Even if I was looking at the scans of her brain rather than a report of a report of a report I wouldn't know how to interpret it. I have no idea why she acted as she did.
 
I'm not a psychiatrist, and I don't know how to interpret what impact that injury may or may not have had. Even if I was looking at the scans of her brain rather than a report of a report of a report I wouldn't know how to interpret it. I have no idea why she acted as she did.
well as you pointed out, its likely she doesn't really know either.
 
i dont know. lots of people have brain injuries and they dont shoot people.
just like lots of trans have anger issues but dont shoot people.
and lots of people have male level testosterone and dont shoot people.

im guessing these things would fall into "aggravating conditions" rather than "the reason".
If only we could work out the commonality between the people who do have brain injuries and who do shoot people, and the trans people who have anger issues and who do shoot people, and the people with male levels of testosterone who do shoot people, then perhaps we could reduce the amount of shooting of people.
 
But if i list them this website will attack the ever living hell out of me.
you've never been "the ever living hell" attacked here, because staff enforce the politeness policy.
Mick even deleted my signature where I had simply quoted your post because he felt that was a personal attack.
You might get moved to Rambles, though, because that (imaginary) list got nothing to do with Charlie Kirk's death.
You're trying to play the victim card here when you should be aware that you're not.
 
because staff enforce the politeness policy.
please.

You're trying to play the victim card here when you should be aware that you're not.
youre attacking me right now with this entire unneeded comment of yours. and i didnt even post my very real, very thought out, researched list. (ps included on my list are most of what Germany..who allows guns..has as gun controls. so chill out already. )
 
define "reduce", because i can think of a hundred ways to reduce the amount. But if i list them this website will attack the ever living hell out of me.
Might make an interesting thread in the appropriate section, though, even at that risk. Just a thought, disregard if it's ot a can of worms you want to open.
 
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