Bunk: SyFy: Aliens on the Moon

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derrick06

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The documentary was put together by Robert Kiviat whos known for producing the known hoax "Alien Autopsy." A lot of the documentary consists of speaking on Moon Anomalies a lot like ones covered on here... Astronaut Edgar Mitchel is even featured in the documentary but its more in the context of his opinions on extraterrestrial life rather him stating evidence. The rest just seems to be analyzing pictures... However they always seem to add color and distort the sizing so you cant see what the shot originally was. There were a few images that raised questions such as an image at this point in the video where it seems like a towering object is standing up clearly this could be distorted by light and would be very obvious to see from other angles. 28:10

Then they seem to start talking about some kind of Apollo 20 Mission with "secret" footage leaked 1:12:20 (Link to the video right here)


There are a few fascinating interviews with former NASA employees and such... (32.30, 36.30, and 56:25 ) But there seems to be a lot of assumptions when they use the term "potential alien threat" I feel like if there was more neutral hypothesizing than speculating this would have been pretty fascinating but it was interesting and I wanted to look into how much of this has been debunked if any? The videos and that whole nine yards... I'm skeptical because of who it was produced by and as always there is a lot of sensationalism. Any info already on the site or could this be a possible new thread to make?
 
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WeedWhacker

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Then they seem to start talking about some kind of Apollo 20 Mission with "secret" footage leaked
There was NO so-called "Apollo 20 mission".

This needs no debunking, the facts of historical evidence have already documented (in great detail) the Apollo Space Program...and the Gemini Program, and the Mercury Program.....(working backwards in historical perpective).
 

derrick06

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@WeedWhacker I'm aware I just wanted to know if anyone had made specific debunks of the claims in this documentary. Since there seems to be a lot of fact mixed with bias. I'm not promoting it haha. Just wanted to contribute as this doc has been popular in SyFy lately and it's related to the subject of "Moon Bases."
 

deirdre

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I'm aware I just wanted to know if anyone had made specific debunks of the claims in this documentary. Since there seems to be a lot of fact mixed with bias. I'm not promoting it haha. Just wanted to contribute as this doc has been popular in SyFy lately and it's related to the subject of "Moon Bases."
timestamps aren't working for me so I cant see what youa re referring to. can you note the timestamps in text? thanks.
 

WeedWhacker

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I'm aware I just wanted to know if anyone had made specific debunks of the claims in this documentary.
It's nearly an hour and one half long, on YouTube. I didn't watch it (full disclosure) because I expect it will repeat the same claims that have been previously debunked, over and over again.

Truly, I am a person who WANTS US TO HAVE VERIFIED contact with an extra-terrestrial species. I really do....for many reasons. (Some that "IF" I begin to discuss in-thread will begin to stray "off-topic").

This is a HUGE Galaxy. Has been in existence for multiple billions of (our) "years". Did I mention that our Galaxy is "HUGE"?

ALSO....elements. In order for elements to form, requires stars to live, then "die" (dramatically). Stars mostly composed of the lower elements, on the Periodic Table. Hydrogen. Helium (ETC).

WE (as a tiny species, just on the "brink" of "discovery") are still struggling to understand our Galaxy, and the extant Universe that we can observe.

Will take more time.........
 

derrick06

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It's nearly an hour and one half long, on YouTube. I didn't watch it (full disclosure) because I expect it will repeat the same claims that have been previously debunked, over and over again.

Truly, I am a person who WANTS US TO HAVE VERIFIED contact with an extra-terrestrial species. I really do....for many reasons. (Some that "IF" I begin to discuss in-thread will begin to stray "off-topic").

This is a HUGE Galaxy. Has been in existence for multiple billions of (our) "years". Did I mention that our Galaxy is "HUGE"?

ALSO....elements. In order for elements to form, requires stars to live, then "die" (dramatically). Stars mostly composed of the lower elements, on the Periodic Table. Hydrogen. Helium (ETC).

WE (as a tiny species, just on the "brink" of "discovery" are still struggling to understand our Galaxy, and the extant Universe that we can observe.

Will take more time.........
Well said Weed. I just think when you have massive claims being made on TV like this, its good to question the intention and quality of the information being promoted. (I remember chatting with Neil Hudson of Cosmophobia.org before 2012 trying to debunk a lot of the misinfo and propaganda history channel is proclaiming.) Im going to post specific time slots so if anyone wants to give info the can on the above video
 

derrick06

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I sure know for sure people just love to quote Buzz Aldrin out of context for example "Most notably, in 2005 on the Science Channel, he said he saw something floating alongside the Apollo on the way to the moon. Aldrin said the network had taken his comments out of context to make it seem like he was discussing an object extraterrestrial in nature, instead of an object the astronauts literally could not identify (which they then later decided was a floating panel from the upper stage rocket)."

So go figure... haha
 

Mick West

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Hey @Mick West Should we include a separate thread for debunking the claims made in this SyFy documentary?
Generally individual claims should go in individual threads. Responses to lists should preferable act as an index to a individual debunks - especially when there's just a lot of recycled material, like here.
 

deirdre

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28:10, 32.30, 36:30, and 56:25 and at the end 1:12:20 were the specific claims I was wondering about. @deirdre
can you snag screen shots. I'm still confused.
I'm skipping the 1:12:20 William Rutledge thing, cause it sounds too silly for me.
and I'm skipping the interviews at 32:00 &36:00

but the photos?
@55:29 are we wondering what the white smear is? or are we wondering why the sky looks like a bad Monet oil on canvas painting?
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at 28:10 are we wondering what this giant Gremlin shadow is? (it is a bit scary! :eek: )
2810a.JPG


and just a point of interest: Allan Strum wrote the book this doc was based on. heres an excerpt from the book online
 
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derrick06

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can you snag screen shots. I'm still confused.
I'm skipping the 1:12:20 William Rutledge thing, cause it sounds too silly for me.
and I'm skipping the interviews at 32:00 &36:00

but the photos?
@55:29 are we wondering what the white smear is? or are we wondering why the sky looks like a bad Monet oil on canvas painting?
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at 28:10 are we wondering what this giant Gremlin shadow is? (it is a bit scary! :eek: )
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and just a point of interest: Allan Strum wrote the book this doc was based on. heres an excerpt from the book online
The WHite smear in particular is what I was curious of... And also all of the highlighting they do of objects... I noticed you weren't interested in the William Rutledge aspect. Has that kind of been disproven already? That "Apollo 20" footage they show at the end was a little odd to me because the producer of this documentary has made fake "alien autopsy" footage in the past... Could this just be another hoax? Possibly! I didn't grab screenshots because its also the claims that are stated starting at those times. Sorry for the confusion! I guess I'm still a bit of a noob on here haha. At 1:24:43 They also show a picture of what they proclaim as a "Humanoid Skull." How do we know its not rocks and light?
 
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derrick06

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Generally individual claims should go in individual threads. Responses to lists should preferable act as an index to a individual debunks - especially when there's just a lot of recycled material, like here.
Thanks Mick. I had to ask so we don't get a million threads of the same material. I was searching the site, got any links to a lot of these recycled claims that you've debunked? That would be really helpful. A lot of the claims used in this may be old but the documentary is new so you know it'll be causing a stir on the web to people who are new to it!
 

derrick06

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I don't know. I'm just not personally interested in that aspect.
No worries! I know a lot of claims are recycled so figured id ask! Yeah that structure and those streaks are what I was curious about. It's mainly the anomalies I'm wondering about.
 

Thomas

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I am having a major deja vu here, Richard C. Hoagland happening all over again...you can find tons of this kind of bunk on his website the enterprise mission.

Enlarged and compressed jpg artifacts is what most of these pictures are, enhanced and then colored to accentuate these artifacts. KKSamurai could make complete alien base stations and pyramids on Mars with these techniques.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-q5uYIpBxTYA/Um57sWRC6wI/AAAAAAAADkY/yL0KumQZpRo/s1600/FWD-86.tif
 
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derrick06

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@WeedWhacker That's why I posted on here. A lot of these claims I've seen but some I haven't and the more we can bring the answers on here the more informative it is for people taking a look. Thanks for the help!
 

derrick06

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I am having a major deja vu here, Richard C. Hoagland happening all over again...you can find tons of this kind of bunk on his website the enterprise mission.

Enlarged and compressed jpg artifacts is what most of these pictures are, enhanced and then colored to accentuate these artifacts. KKSamurai could make complete alien base stations and pyramids on Mars with these techniques.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-q5uYIpBxTYA/Um57sWRC6wI/AAAAAAAADkY/yL0KumQZpRo/s1600/FWD-86.tif
Hey Thomas so the pics in that link are edited to make it look that way? So I guess creating bunk images on the moon is a classic thing huh?
 

Trailblazer

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What are a lot of these


Great stuff! Ill be sure to post this video to those who are curious about that!
The "crashed spaceship" feature that was used as the basis of the Apollo 20 hoax was actually an optical illusion on real photos from the Apollo 15 mission:

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But if you look at more modern, high-resolution images you can see that it's just a trick of the light. It's just a ridge on the lunar surface.

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Thomas

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Yeah Derrick, I start reading about Hoagland when I had my first internet connection. Face on Mars, glass domes on the moon:

 

WeedWhacker

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It has been clear for decades that the majority of these "artifacts" as claimed by (sometimes VERY earnest believers) are merely a result of the reproduction (often BAD reproductions) of the original negatives, or other NASA (and other space agency) sources. (That may themselves already have been reproductions of reproductions.....has anyone ever tried to copy a VHS tape? I'm dating myself.....).

Combine these poor digital copies with the introduction of them into a PC, since the advent of commonplace PCs...(and MACs! Can't leave them out!)....circa...late 1980s?

And manipulation via whatever program this person has on their computer...."enhanced" in amazing ways, then "published" on the Internet (which has flourished only in the last....two decades?) as so-called "proof"?

Prior to the Internet, this sort of image manipulation was constrained to printed material, and had to be "published". The Internet is indeed a "Boon" for both the deliberate promotion of bunk (if there is a profit motive), or the innocent promotion of bunk, simply due to a lack of vetting the original sources.
 

derrick06

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@Thomas @WeedWhacker Well said guys. A lot of great information here its amazing how something can be debunked and as little as ten years can make a comeback as completely new bunk. That's how it works with misunderstandings and hoaxes I presume. Thanks for the feedback! :)
 

Thomas

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Phil Plait has debunked some of the claims from Hoagland about aliens on the moon and mars and his image trickery.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/

Hoagland has an unstoppable outpour of bunk, I guess one would need a massive storagetek to be able to store the metadebunk. Getting back into it reading this thread, I see that many people on the web have started the hobby of 'anomaly hunting' and doing the same thing that Hoagland kind of started. Back in the days there were just a few. I thought it was kinda cool until he started accusing people at NASA and JPL of being worshippers of ancient gods and illuminati, nuking the 'face on mars' to hide evidence of an ancient civilization and what not. It got very hateful towards good people.
 
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