ASA Report ID: CIV-2024-957 A Hawaii schoolteacher experienced a multi-hour encounter with several orb like UAPs

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Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1pzl5mh/americans_for_safe_aerospace_report_id_civ2024957/


This was posted to Reddit but is an ASA case

https://www.safeaerospace.org/reports/civ-2024-957

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Event Narrative
A witness in Hawaii observed a bright orange light in the sky around 10:30 p.m. after returning from a late-night event. The object hovered, changed from orange to bright white, made rapid vertical movements, and released cloud like exhausts that formed three or more individual lights. These smaller lights appeared to take on various shapes and moved independently around the main object, often descending towards the ocean. The witness and a friend watched the display for about two hours as the lights maneuvered silently, at times approaching very close to them. The activity continued past midnight, before eventually disappearing later in the night.
I managed to get the videos from the ASA site, attached

One thing that stands out is that the event date is given as

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Date of Occurrence
Sep 27, 2024
But that was a Friday and the screen capture of the phone video replay gives the video date as a Sunday at 09:02 am..
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Which seems odd as it would not be dark then..

Perhaps there's more details on this one somewhere else?
 

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One possibility is an LED kite. They say "The video shows the objects flying over water and interacting with each other." but it doesn't. All we see is a group of lights that move a bit relative to each other.
 
To me it looks like the replay screen, as you can see the edit option is available.

Looks like an iPhone so maybe someone with one could test it?

If you replay a video what time does it show, if you edit that video and then do the same thing what time does it show.
 
To me it looks like the replay screen, as you can see the edit option is available.

Looks like an iPhone so maybe someone with one could test it?

If you replay a video what time does it show, if you edit that video and then do the same thing what time does it show.

Here I downloaded the video at 3:08, edited and played it at 3:32

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So editing it did not change the display time.
 
So editing it did not change the display time.
However, I then emailed it to myself, and the displayed time changed to the time it was emailed.

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This changing of time is a common issue with iPhone photos.

Surely though it would be light at 09:02 AM it's odd
I think it was recorded when they said it was recorded, and we are not looking at the original video in that phone screen capture.
 
So it's likely a screen recording of the file by someone else that was emailed (etc) the file.
Possible Witness #1 emailed it to Witness #2.

Sadly, we're in the LIZ here. Supposedly 10 minutes of footage, and we get far less. None of the footage shows anything other than the lights, so we have no real context. We only have a vague time and location. And if it was an LED kit, it was so long ago, that's it's unlikely to be resolved.

What we have is some low-quality video of lights, somewhere, doing nothing interesting. The commenters on Reddit were rightly disappointed.
 
Also isn't ASA supposed to be about air safety and pilot reports, I guess they could argue anything in the sky we sent know what it is might bea possible danger to flights, but this one seems a bit weak for an supposed air safety organisation.
"ASA is the world's largest UAP advocacy community", per their homepage, and also via their homepage their main activity seems to be to push "disclosure" legislation.

They have never demonstrated that an actual UAP has put any aircraft in danger of an accident. This report is no exception. As we have seen from high-profile incidents this year, aviation safety standards can be improved, but UAP didn't play a role in any of that. (While misidentified lights contributed to the DCA mid-air collision, there's no mystery about them.)

As a legislation-oriented air safety organisation led by military pilots, I would have expected them to weigh in on Section 373 of the FY26 National Defense Authorization Act, and support the ROTOR act, but they've been silent on these. I conclude they really aren't concerned about aerospace safety, and are merely using these claimed concerns to push their "UAP threat" narrative, using videos such as in this thread for support, showing them to members of Congress who don't know any better.
"UAP disclosure" will do nothing for air safety.
 
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These images are Rorschach ink blots. Too ambiguous to be of value in an informational vacuum.

As usual these days, we get no details. A detail I'd like is the altitude above the horizon. If it turned out that these lights were just above the horizon, my prime suspect would be distant lights and looming - an atmospheric refraction effect.

Is this true? Don't know. But there are some hints.

Summary
A Hawaii schoolteacher experienced a multi-hour encounter with several orb like UAPs. Two witnesses managed to record over ten minutes of footage. The video shows the objects flying over water and interacting with each other. The report claimed that later in the night, the object moved to within a few yards of the witnesses. According to the witness, prior to the recordings, the UAPs displayed instantaneous acceleration and highly unusual flight behavior.

flying over water - A strange way of describing things if the objects were overhead, but understandable if they appeared just above the ocean.

moved to within a few yards of the witnesses - Atmospheric refraction effects can affect the apparent brightness of distant lights. Witnesses may perceive changes in apparent brightness as movement along their line of sight. Gets brighter = coming straight toward me. Gets dimmer = moving straight away from me.

Or... more lights in the cluster become visible. Overall larger apparent size = coming straight toward me.

instantaneous acceleration and highly unusual flight behavior - A commonly reported behavior in sightings involving looming/superior mirages. Images waver and change shape due to atmospheric turbulence. Point sources of light - distant ground lights or astronomical bodies - can perform all sorts of antics. The individual lights can circle or dart about. Lights within a cluster can move in relation to each other. Always constrained within a general area/pattern.

Where can we find the original report in the witness's own words?
 
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I've previously speculated that the strange lights in this video are lights on a distant ship, below the horizon, made visible by an atmospheric refraction effect.




narration
1:09
disappeared before like one by one the
1:12
lights went off and now they're back on
1:13
and they're just like hanging out out
1:15
there and that is pretty freaking big

That makes me suspect the lights are over the horizon and are visible only when the conditions are just right.



At this point the lights fade out. Then at 3:55 they come back again. Probably because there's stronger or weaker refraction, depending on the changing conditions.


they're
4:20
getting like closer and there's more of
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them
Witness perceives increase in apparent brightness and apparent size as movement along his line of sight. Getting closer.
 
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Boy, I really, really, really hope that that was not the most intriguing/compelling 50 seconds of a supposedly remarkable two hour event.
Technically, you don't need to blame the reddit poster for bringing this waste of time to our attention, because he didn't. Perhaps the OP needs to re-evaluate the criteria he uses to forward things here: why was this case interesting?
 
Maybe. On my phone, it does not appear to match any commercially available LED kite that I know about... but people can always put their own LEDs on a regular-old kite.

I'll look at it in a bigger screen later this evening.
Looking at it, I can see it as a delta kite with LEDs attached (likely by the flier rather then commercially) at the nose, wing tips and back towards the tail attachment point or tip of the keel.

Something like this. lights indicated by red dots.
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This pic is similar to the attitude I think I'm seeing, but deltas come in an array of aspect ratios (wingtip-to-wingtip width vs. to nose-to-tail length) and the kite (if it is one) could be pointing another way.

Note that deltas are usually decent fliers in lighter winds, and lighter winds are common at night. So deltas are a common choice for night flying.

There are other ways to attach lights to points on other styles of kite and give something like the appearance in the video, but if it is a kite my bet would be a delta.

That said, from what I can see the video is consistent with the UFO being a kite, but I don't see anything proving that's what it is. I'd go as far as "likely," I guess.

Some further thoughts reacting to the witness report:

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Event Narrative
A witness in Hawaii observed a bright orange light in the sky around 10:30 p.m. after returning from a late-night event. The object hovered, changed from orange to bright white, made rapid vertical movements,
A kite with LEDs is consistent with all of that. Deltas are sometimes active fliers, tough well designed/made ones can be rock-steady in good winds, lots of "not quite so well designed/made ones" are on the market and are more active, especially if the center of mass is "off" after adding the weight of lights/battery(s).

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and released cloud like exhausts that formed three or more individual lights.
That sounds like the blurry orb created by the camera being out of focus resolving into individual lights as focus locks on. One could rig a kite to release smoke, but that seems less likely.

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These smaller lights appeared to take on various shapes and moved independently around the main object, often descending towards the ocean.
Lights that flashed and blinked could give the illusion of lights moving around, or if the kite was not flying well it could seem lights were moving around the kite if it yawed about. The entire kite could descend towards the ocean, recover, and go back up, but I don't see a practical way for individual lights to do that, other than by falling off the kite into the ocean, in which case they'd not come back up!

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The witness and a friend watched the display for about two hours as the lights maneuvered silently, at times approaching very close to them. The activity continued past midnight, before eventually disappearing later in the night.
This is consistent with kites that are flying actively. Not sure what "at times approaching very close to them" means(nor how accurate a description it is) but a kite that loses altitude may come closer to observers on the ground, and fliears can move closer or further from the viewer. It is frustrating how few videos of UFOs include the moment when they "disappear." That would tell us something (which may be why it is seldom included!) In this case, kites could disappear by the battery(s) dying after a few hours, by the kite being pulled down to the flier, or by the flier moving away.
 
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In the initial video there are small lights shown at the bottom, with what appears to be a timer. It goes from 00:17 to 00:32 (which would agree with the description of "after midnight"), which would appear to be fifteen minutes in fifty seconds so it's speeded up (or possibly fifteen seconds slowed down to fifty seconds). I don't know what the slowly drifting pairs of lights are that are seen behind the timer. Tell me, am I misinterpreting that part of the display?

The whole thing looks somewhat like a reflection, possibly on a wet window.
 
Something like this. lights indicated by red dots.
I see no structural reasons why LEDs couldn't be placed elsewhere, I mean, you're talking less than a tenth of a gram, total. The gamut of possible illuminated kites is practically infinite, and trivially so.
 
I see no structural reasons why LEDs couldn't be placed elsewhere,
You could, it's just the end points are sort of the typical place people tend to stick them, and as there are sticks there the structural strength resists deformation.

I mean, you're talking less than a tenth of a gram, total.
Depends on what you are using, and particularly on battery weight. A lot of the cheaper lights you can adapt use AA or AAA batteries, a bit heavy, some use "button batteries" which are pretty light, some have built in tiny batteries that weight essentially nothing but don't last long. A more elaborate set of lights would have a central battery pack with wires out to the lights,which might weigh a bit but could be placed near the center of mass, or even just below the kite on the line. It's a trade-off between adding weight, which you don't want, in order to get more/brighter/longer-lasting-before-the-battery-dies lights

The gamut of possible illuminated kites is practically infinite, and trivially so.
Yes -- back when the idea of LEDs on kites was new we'd stick magnetic-backed rave jewelry just any old where on the kite, which looked great and weighed very little -- they also tended to pop off if the kite landed hard or just jiggled a little in flight, and if you were on the beach the lights would bury themselves into the sand never to be seen again. Today there are lots of choices, either purpose-designed to slap onto a kite, or improvised from decorative lights intended for something else. And, of course, there are kites that come with lights pre-installed, a computer ship to drive the light patterns, and a rechargeable battery.

But this, if it is a kite, looks simple, and the pattern of lights looks like they are on a delta. As deltas are very common kites, and a good choice for the potential lighter winds at night, that would be my best guess as to what it is. But sure, it absolutely could be a different sort of kite, or not a kite at all.
 
Revisiting the event narrative and event video, I started searching for videos to support the LED kite hypothesis.

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Event Narrative
A witness in Hawaii observed a bright orange light in the sky around 10:30 p.m. after returning from a late-night event. The object hovered, changed from orange to bright white, made rapid vertical movements, and released cloud like exhausts that formed three or more individual lights. These smaller lights appeared to take on various shapes and moved independently around the main object, often descending towards the ocean. The witness and a friend watched the display for about two hours as the lights maneuvered silently, at times approaching very close to them. The activity continued past midnight, before eventually disappearing later in the night.

1. If we suppose the UAP was a single LED kite with lights on three or possibly four corners, it might look something like the first video example below.

* This video includes some rapid rotational maneuvering. When viewed in the LIZ, this could appear like multiple UAPs moving around each other (similarly to the event description, but not captured in the event video).

* Obviously when the maneuvering stops, the relative position of the LEDs doesn't change much (similarly to what we do observe in the event video).


Source: https://youtu.be/29ePgp779tg?t=175

* Note these LEDs were fitted to kite (timestamp 02:00) and only one of them appears to be blinking. This could add to the illusion of each LED being a separate UAP in the LIZ at night.

2. If we suppose the event was not one LED kite, but multiple kites being flown together and viewed in the LIZ. Then what would one kite by itself look like? The second video example below is a solitary delta kite at night. Naturally, this video is clear enough to identify. If this was in the LIZ, it could look similarly to any one of the light sources in the event video.


Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/kites/comments/1p6jn6j/even_more_night_kite_flying_in_anchorage_alaska/

* Note LED tails like the above, when viewed in the LIZ could explain the "cloud like exhausts" from the event description.

The third example video shows a group of four kites flying together. Although it is during the day, it is easy to imagine how in the LIZ with LED kites at night, this could appear very similar to the event video.


Source: https://youtu.be/gM28FqQ05gM?t=132

Note, dependent on the size, opacity, and position of each kite relative to the observer, one kite could easily obscure another from view, creating the illusion of one UAP suddenly appearing or disappearing in the LIZ at night.

This fourth video example further emphasises the incredible maneuvering that is possible. It is one person operating two fighter kites. Also note the visual effect of the curled tails.


Source: https://youtu.be/taGuG7DT6zE?t=40

Such a scene at night with multiple LED kites and tails would impress anyone, even if they realised they were just LED kites.
 
This fourth video example further emphasises the incredible maneuvering that is possible. It is one person operating two fighter kites
Minor correction... those are sport kites, sometimes called stunt kites, flown on two lines and steered by tilting the kite one way or the other by pulling or slacking one of the lines. Fighter kites are flown on a single line and are steered by being stable when the line is tight, but unstable when it is not. To steer, you give slack, the kite wobbles or spins, and when it is pointing in the direction you want to go you put tension back on the line.

There are a few fliers who fly two sport kites at once, and a very few who do three, usually by attaching one kite's lines to their waist and gyrating their hips to steer! But two or more fliers flying as a pair or team and maneuvering together is much more common and looks about the same. (A usual question is "don't your strings get tangled?" The answer is yes, they get twisted around each other so on average you have to fly as many "untwisting" maneuvers as you fly "twisting" ones.)
 
I've previously speculated that the strange lights in this video are lights on a distant ship, below the horizon, made visible by an atmospheric refraction effect.




narration


That makes me suspect the lights are over the horizon and are visible only when the conditions are just right.



At this point the lights fade out. Then at 3:55 they come back again. Probably because there's stronger or weaker refraction, depending on the changing conditions.



Witness perceives increase in apparent brightness and apparent size as movement along his line of sight. Getting closer.


According to the commentary in the video, they're in Pacific Beach facing south towards Ocean Beach....just on the other side of Ocean Beach is the exit point for Navy ships leaving San Diego Bay.
 
Thanks.

The reasons I brought this up in the first place...

-A simple interest in talking about atmospheric refraction effects and UFO cases. In this thread I explored a UFO case which I think, beyond reasonable doubt, is entirely explainable by an atmospheric refraction effect: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/1994-michigan-ufo-event.12709/#post-287457

Maybe I'm just being self-indulgent.

The deepest level of self-indulgence is that even though I know what's causing it I find displays such as the one in San Diego rather wonderful.


-My typical impulse to introduce alternate explanations. I have a visceral reaction to getting locked into a single explanation when the info is ambiguous. And in this case the info is really ambiguous. I myself consider the LED kite idea to be a good one. Probably the best one. But I'm uneasy about getting locked into a single explanation without even considering other things. It seems to me to be too similar to the over-reach of getting locked into the hyper-mysterious orb/flying saucer assumption.

The lowdown is that this case is too low info to do anything with, and the failure comes from the way it has been reported - at face value with no proper investigation at all. One more example of such.

Circa 1970/1980 UFO cases were being investigated properly by UFOlogists themselves. Reports that included apparent size, degrees above the horizon and so on. If we had one single bit of info - degrees above the horizon - that could either eliminate the atmospheric refraction idea or support it.

Now we've regressed to the earliest, late 1940s era, allowing the witness to simply report his assumptions about what was seen. And taking the narrative at face value. We've lost all the knowledge. You've got to wonder why this has happened.
 
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My typical impulse to introduce alternate explanations. I have a visceral reaction to getting locked into a single explanation when the info is ambiguous. And in this case the info is really ambiguous. I myself consider the LED kite idea to be a good one.
I also considered LED kiteboarding but the light sources in the event video appeared too static for that. Kiteboarding is also big during the day in Hawaii, but I didn't find any evidence for this activity at night. Possibly due to increased danger and the winds dropping off at night.
 
I also considered LED kiteboarding but the light sources in the event video appeared too static for that. Kiteboarding is also big during the day in Hawaii, but I didn't find any evidence for this activity at night. Possibly due to increased danger and the winds dropping off at night.
Which I was surprised to learn is a thing. I guess I shouldn't be surprised!

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Image source" Screen grab from a video at
Source: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10156750917787240


But I agree, this activity produces a lot of movement and action, missing from the Hawaiian video we're discussing. I'd say this is also true for sport kites and fighters. If this is a kite, which it well may be, it is almost certainly a traditional single line kite that doesn't do much, though it may move about a bit under certain conditions, it does not fly loops and dart about and have as it's entire point doing stuff like that!
 
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