Apollo 12 photo analysis shows Sun as bulb [claim]

FlightMuj

Active Member
Hello again!
At this website: http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_0.html
I saw an image which claims that the alleged Sun shown is actually a light bulb:Claim.png

I am not an expert in analyzing photography so cannot say much, only that, the lens flares do not look like bulbs, I mean the photos that thousand of people take of the Sun shows the same lens flares.
 
I've seen a variation on this theme claiming that the sun was far too large in another Apollo 12 image (AS12-46-6739) when compared with similar photos taken on Earth. I altered the levels in it to produce this:



You can pretty much take anything claimed on the Aulis site with a dose of salt way in excess of your daily recommended amount.
 

FlightMuj

Active Member

FlightMuj

Active Member
What I see is that we and the conspirators get the same result when messing with the images, and with that same result they say it is some sort of artificial lightning and we say that it is the Sun.
 

FlightMuj

Active Member
An impossibly big lightbulb.
I know that "impossibly big" thing, but he mentioned Earth. What does Earth have to do with the claim of "artificial lightning suggesting set in Apollo missions".

Also I said earlier:"Well that explains the lens flares, but would not "bulb" or any sort of lightning also create lens flares? I do not know much about photography so I cannot grasp the idea of a "bulb" and so cannot conclusively analyze."
 

Mick West

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I know that "impossibly big" thing, but he mentioned Earth. What does Earth have to do with the claim of "artificial lightning suggesting set in Apollo missions".

Also I said earlier:"Well that explains the lens flares, but would not "bulb" or any sort of lightning also create lens flares? I do not know much about photography so I cannot grasp the idea of a "bulb" and so cannot conclusively analyze."
We deal with different levels of theories here. The OP is really about space flight photos and videos being staged on a set. But there are also people who think the sun itself is actually small and close. Some even going as far as a "Truman Show" scenario.

Also I said earlier:"Well that explains the lens flares, but would not "bulb" or any sort of lightning also create lens flares? I do not know much about photography so I cannot grasp the idea of a "bulb" and so cannot conclusively analyze."

A bulb would create lens flare. The problem with this claim is that they don't actually compare the image to a bulb, or a very bright disk, or the sun. So they are just going with a vague impression of a modified photo. It's useless as evidence, and not really worth addressing.

Although that said, it can be fun to try to duplicate images like this.
 

FlightMuj

Active Member
..and the Hi-Res picture, claimed to have been 'removed', is still there, as at 14 Jan 2018

Magazine 46 - https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/images12.html#Mag46

Individual Hi-Res pic - https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/AS12-46-6765HR.jpg
The conspirator was talking about this website: http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html.
I also cannot find that frame but also notice there are a lot of other frames missing. Not all are uploaded, so it is just not that frame.
 

FlightMuj

Active Member
...A bulb would create lens flare. The problem with this claim is that they don't actually compare the image to a bulb, or a very bright disk, or the sun. So they are just going with a vague impression of a modified photo. It's useless as evidence, and not really worth addressing...

I strongly agree with this part. The images taken by people of Sun on a daily basis shows the same thing. You are right they really never compare that with the photo showing flares from a bulb. I mean to me the photo looks very normal, and even the enhancement done by the conspirator shows nothing suspicious or even remotely a resemblance to a bulb. Google search shows hundreds of pictures of the Sun with the same effect, so effectively there is nothing wrong with the photo.
A very vague claim.
 

FlightMuj

Active Member
The conspirator has no image showing whether it was there in the first place or not. This picture can be found on a lot of other websites:

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/images12.html (scroll about 25% of the way down; or search "AS12-46-6765 after pressing Ctrl+F)

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS12-46-6765

http://tothemoon.ser.asu.edu/gallery/apollo/AS12_Hasselblad (70 mm)/list#AS12-46-6765

Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/21077396824/in/album-72157659081038325/


A similar photo: https://archive.org/details/AS12-47-6998 (The tiff format is more than 46 MB so very high resolution; many more similar photos are there for conspirators to analyze).
 
I know that "impossibly big" thing, but he mentioned Earth. What does Earth have to do with the claim of "artificial lightning suggesting set in Apollo missions".

Also I said earlier:"Well that explains the lens flares, but would not "bulb" or any sort of lightning also create lens flares? I do not know much about photography so I cannot grasp the idea of a "bulb" and so cannot conclusively analyze."
I'm sorry, I should have read more carefully. I was thinking of the "everything is a hologram/faked" thing, rather than a staged photo.
 

Trailblazer

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The image is just one of several that show the sun and the associated flares. If you look at the thumbnails on Flickr you can see that a series of photos was taken to make a panorama. The sun was so bright that lens flare was even visible on photos with the sun well out of shot:

upload_2018-1-24_11-18-2.png

https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums/72157659081038325

The photos can easily be assembled into panoramas showing that this is a real, seamless 3D landscape with a distant sun, not a set with a nearby bulb.

This image covers slightly more than 360 degrees (you can see Pete Conrad's shadow at both left and right).




Another, rather smoother, one using a different set of photos taken later during the EVA:

JSC2007e045376.jpg

(https://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollopanoramas/images/print/original/JSC2007e045376.jpg)

Zoomable and pannable version here (requires Flash) https://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollopanoramas/pans/?pan=JSC2007e045376&zoom=True
 

StarGazer

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I have a few questions and I hope the second one is not off topic because it's indirectly related to the Apollo 12 image of the thread.

1. Since when Photoshop or any other image processing software programs can be used for spectral analysis of a light-source? That is: How do the claimants know that Apollo 12 image is from a light bulb in the first place just out of photoshop analysis and not using the proper equipment?

2. Is there another image of the Sun taken from space, but not from the Moon, with the same or similar camera as the one from the Apollo 12, so that a comparison can be made of the expected lens flare exposure of the Sun on the same or similar photographic film?
 
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Trailblazer

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I have a few questions and I hope the second one is not off topic because it's indirectly related to the Apollo 12 image of the thread.

1. Since when Photoshop or any other image processing software programs can be used for spectral analysis of a light-source? That is: How do the claimants know that Apollo 12 image is from a light bulb in the first place just out of photoshop analysis and not using the proper equipment?

2. Is there another image of the Sun taken from space, but not from the Moon, with the same or similar camera as the one from the Apollo 12, so that a comparison can be made of the expected lens flare exposure of the Sun on the same or similar photographic film?

1) It can't, of course. People not familiar with image analysis often ascribe near magical properties to Photoshop. All that Photoshop can do is look at the properties of the digital image, which is a scan of the photographic film positive taken by the original camera. There's no hidden "spectral" information there; it's just a collection of pixels each of which have a given brightness in the red, green and blue channels. You can adjust the levels to bring out differences in contrast and tone that are hard to see with the naked eye, but that's it.

2) There are quite a few images taken by the Hasselblad cameras from Earth orbit and in cis-lunar space (ie between the Earth and the moon). For instance:

https://flic.kr/p/yM6wW1 - AS11-36-5293



These two images, AS12-51-7586 and 7587, were taken on the return journey of Apollo 12, showing the sun and a very thin crescent Earth. They're pretty blown out by the brightness of the sun.





That was just from a very quick flick through the albums. Almost all the Apollo photos are available at https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums/with/72157658665465080
 
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