"An Unconventional Shade of Grey" - Michael J. Murphy new Film

tadaaa

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Yes, glad he is ok - car accidents are a particularly pointless way to go

But amazing how quick his supporters claim foul play
 

Balance

Senior Member.
Considering he's set a deadline for finishing and publishing his new film in a few months, I'm a bit disappointed with this clarification. And as before, supporters queries remain unanswered.

https://www.facebook.com/michael.murphytmp/posts/10207118707659696
Michael J Murphy
11 hrs·
Many have recently asked if we are currently in the process of testing for the Aerosol Collection Project and I want to make sure we are on the same page. We are in the process of organizing the project and certain could use some help in this process. Please message me if you are a pilot and/or have a jet that could be easily modified to allow our sample equipment outside of airplane at high elevations. Thanks again for all of your support and as always keep looking up!!!


Fred Bear
you did go up before to get a sample ,where you able to get a sample then ?

Tavia KaneHow did the first lot of testing in the little plane go? Can you give us a sneak preview?

Barry ChaitYou may have to get a drone up there...

Trevor O'ToothHow's it going with the paragliding fan guys?
 

MikeG

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Considering he's set a deadline for finishing and publishing his new film in a few months, I'm a bit disappointed with this clarification. And as before, supporters queries remain unanswered.

https://www.facebook.com/michael.murphytmp/posts/10207118707659696
Michael J Murphy
11 hrs·
Many have recently asked if we are currently in the process of testing for the Aerosol Collection Project and I want to make sure we are on the same page. We are in the process of organizing the project and certain could use some help in this process. Please message me if you are a pilot and/or have a jet that could be easily modified to allow our sample equipment outside of airplane at high elevations. Thanks again for all of your support and as always keep looking up!!!


Fred Bear
you did go up before to get a sample ,where you able to get a sample then ?

Tavia KaneHow did the first lot of testing in the little plane go? Can you give us a sneak preview?

Barry ChaitYou may have to get a drone up there...

Trevor O'ToothHow's it going with the paragliding fan guys?

It looks like Murphy is just talking past them.

From what I can tell from previous posts, he has done some "testing," but never produced results for supporters or critics. But, he is "currently in the process" and needs more money for the big reveal right around the corner.

It reminded me of the Free Energy Device on another thread.

Or a "long con."

A long con or big con (also, chiefly British English: long game)[4] is a scam that unfolds over several days or weeks and involves a team of swindlers, as well as props, sets, extras, costumes, and scripted lines. It aims to rob the victim of huge sums of money or valuable things, often by getting him or her to empty out banking accounts and borrow from family members.[5]
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Dan Page

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Anyone that has a plane that could reach the trails would not likely want to modify their aircraft for collection devices, even if they were sympathetic to the cause. Modifying aircraft in any way entails lots of paperwork and lots of money. To put it mildly, the regulations are very strict in that regard. If someone wanted to convert their aircraft to "Experimental" then they could do stuff, but then I don't believe they could fly into controlled airspace (above 18,000') without some kind of waver, and then to convert it back to a certified aircraft would require more mounds of paperwork and money. This is one of (but certainly not the major) the reasons that I don't believe the whole chemtrails nonsense, as so many aircraft would have to be modified to do the spraying.
Many have recently asked if we are currently in the process of testing for the Aerosol Collection Project and I want to make sure we are on the same page. We are in the process of organizing the project and certain could use some help in this process. Please message me if you are a pilot and/or have a jet that could be easily modified to allow our sample equipment outside of airplane at high elevations. Thanks again for all of your support and as always keep looking up!!!
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Mick West

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Should have known this would be available, so it seems to me that MJM has no excuse. This company would be ideal for what he needs/wants to do. So you have to wonder, does he really want to get some results?

The problem there is that the company Weather Modification Inc is frequently touted as "evidence" of chemtrails, generally by people who conflate cloud seeding with the chemtrail theory.

So hiring the very people that a lot of your supporters say are part of the conspiracy is not going to go across well.
 

SR1419

Senior Member.
So hiring the very people that a lot of your supporters say are part of the conspiracy is not going to go across well.

I know- you've mentioned that before- but if someone was serious, they likely could establish a legitimate process with WMI to ensure the validity of the tests. I am sure WMI would be more than happy to assuage their concerns and take their money :)

Maybe drones might be able to do the job? Can they go that high?


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Balance

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In a post sharing a video clip from his new film about sampling, MJM's still snubbing his supporters pleas to "reveal" evidence. https://www.facebook.com/michael.murphytmp/videos/10207185373686305/


Lori Langone
What did you and the guy from Hawaii find after analyzing the chemtrail samples you were collecting with a plane a few months ago. I've been waiting to hear the results of the lab analysis.
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Kathy Thomsen
I've been waiting too! Btw, love all you are doing.
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MikeG

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In a post sharing a video clip from his new film about sampling, MJM's still snubbing his supporters pleas to "reveal" evidence. https://www.facebook.com/michael.murphytmp/videos/10207185373686305/


Lori Langone
What did you and the guy from Hawaii find after analyzing the chemtrail samples you were collecting with a plane a few months ago. I've been waiting to hear the results of the lab analysis.
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Kathy Thomsen
I've been waiting too! Btw, love all you are doing.
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And it will probably keep going on like this, with MJM banking (literally) on the fact that most true believers will have patience with him and his test results.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Just like William Thomas kept claiming to have "hundreds of photos showing USAF tankers spraying from tailbooms" back in 1999.... I asked to see some of these photos, he told me they would be in his book. Book came out with no photos. Seventeen years I'm still waiting......
 

M Bornong

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It seems that Michael has found his plane to do the testing https://www.facebook.com/michael.murphytmp/posts/10207190891864256

Is he going to modify the Pitot Tubes?

I have a couple of mounts that we are going to be feeding our filter system through
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and the radar for landing?

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From this:

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It looks like Wolfe Air's plane. They provide the planes and cameras for air to air shots for Hollywood and advertising.

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http://wolfeair.com/
 

Dan Page

Senior Member.
It looks like MJM just went to the nearest hanger with a small jet in it and asked for permission to take video of it, notice the entire video is somewhat out of focus, except for the closeup of the radar altimeter which he likely accidentally shot IN focus. And yeah, connecting stuff up the the pitot tubes, WTF? He obviously doesn't think his followers are very intelligent, and won't ask questions. He probably thinks, I'll just take some video of a small business jet and that should hold them off asking questions about the "collection" nonsense for a while.
 

Trailblazer

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It would be interesting to contact Wolfe Air and see if they are working with Murphy at all. It's possible be might have contracted them to do a filming flight or something like that.
 

Dan Page

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Well done Matt, and as I've said previously (in this thread I think), modifying an aircraft, especially a jet, is very expensive, and I am betting that MJM will never be able to pony up the cash to do it. He needs to go with a company that has an aircraft ready made for the job. The fact that he hasn't done that already, leads me to think that it will never happen, he is just stalling, giving his followers a little teaser every now and then so as to keep the donations trickling in.
 

SR1419

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He needs to go with a company that has an aircraft ready made for the job

If hiring someone like Weather Modification Inc is philosophically unpalatable to these folks, maybe they should try academia? These folks have the equipment, know-how, lab and access to the proper plane. Murphy could ask them what they think those trails in the sky are.

http://atofms.cloud.ucsd.edu/home


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Whitebeard

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I think a cheaper option, although not by much, for MJM would be to hire one of these...
http://www.flyfighterjet.com/fly-l-39-in-california-usa
This lot fly ex-military jets for hire and looking at some of the pics on their website, they appear to have the weapons hard points still fitted, all he needs to do then is build a sampling pod that can be fitted to said hard point, be cheaper than modding a commercial jets for the endevour. (and he gets to ride in something really cool to boot)
 

TEEJ

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Wolfe Air need to cover their backs here. I've suggested to them that as part of any deal they retain a sample. Michael would then pay for that testing at a lab of Wolfe Airs choice. Somehow I don't trust Michael and his team with those samples!
 

mm1145

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If hiring someone like Weather Modification Inc is philosophically unpalatable to these folks, maybe they should try academia? These folks have the equipment, know-how, lab and access to the proper plane. Murphy could ask them what they think those trails in the sky are.

http://atofms.cloud.ucsd.edu/home


The impacts of atmospheric aerosol particles represent the largest uncertainty in scientific understanding of the Earth's climate. Our group studies the chemistry of these particles as we look to learn more about their impacts on the planet's energy budget and on the formation of clouds.



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I am prity sure he think that if it is going on they must be in on it already otherwise they would have already reported it.

it is the usual conspiracy catch 22. if they have the tools to investergate and prove it they must be in on it. if they don't they they can not prove it
 

SR1419

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I am prity sure he think that if it is going on they must be in on it already otherwise they would have already reported it.

I have asked Believers why not single atmospheric scientist- anywhere in the World- has the same opinion of the trails in the sky as they do. The question is usually met with either silence or a blanket "they are all in on it" statement.
 

Trailblazer

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I have asked Believers why not single atmospheric scientist- anywhere in the World- has the same opinion of the trails in the sky as they do. The question is usually met with either silence or a blanket "they are all in on it" statement.
Actually they point to a couple - eg Tim Lenton and Jasper Kirkby - who are touted as whistleblowers due to quotes being taken out of context. I managed to contact Lenton to clarify his position but I haven't been able to get a reply from Kirkby.


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SR1419

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Actually they point to a couple - eg Tim Lenton and Jasper Kirby

I havent heard of these guys- what you referring to? Thats not the "unintentional geoengineering" comment is it?

EDiT: found it: https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-t...enton-admits-to-ongoing-geoengineering.t6949/

But I was thinking more along the line of an actual atmospheric scientists pointing to contrails and claiming they are "chemtrails" or even along the lines of 9/11 A&E. but its pretty darn silent out there.
 
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Trailblazer

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I havent heard of these guys- what you referring to? Thats not the "unintentional geoengineering" comment is it?

EDiT: found it: https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-t...enton-admits-to-ongoing-geoengineering.t6949/

But I was thinking more along the line of an actual atmospheric scientists pointing to contrails and claiming they are "chemtrails" or even along the lines of 9/11 A&E. but its pretty darn silent out there.

Jasper Kirkby made a comment about "clouds seeded by jets dumping aerosols into the upper atmosphere", which was leapt on as "whistleblowing".

eg http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/12/27/climate-scientist-blows-whistle-on-aerosol-dumps-chemtrails/

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Of course, he was just talking about the fact that jet exhaust contains cloud condensation nuclei.
 

Balance

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I noticed, on the lawsuit page http://geoengineeringactionnetwork.org/?page_id=2 this video commerical is dated April last year.


As it's coming up to 12months I can't wait to know how many cases they've managed to attract and how many of those the legal team decide worthy of pursuing.

On the air sampling front, it doesn't look like (see also post #293) they'll have anything to offer before the planned release of the film next month except showing theatrical props, if you'll excuse the pun.

Michael J MurphysharedUNConventional Grey'spost.
6 March at 10:35·
We are working towards getting airplanes into the sky to test the trails.
 

Balance

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As it's coming up to 12months I can't wait to know how many cases they've managed to attract and how many of those the legal team decide worthy of pursuing.

According to this latest post https://www.facebook.com/michael.murphytmp/posts/10207312209177113 the answer is none?
I'm having trouble getting the meaning of what their legal aim(s) currently are as he says "...we should not be looking at the fruits of the problem..." (ie suing the EPA, contamination issues on a certain level) but to address the root of the problem, which is climate models. He then goes on to state "...so our legal framework again is designed to prove that climate models are not inaccurate..." (which I think is a mis-statement) and "...getting injunctions to stop any climate change laws..."

n.b. Filmed under clear blue skies and a bright, bright sun!
 

deirdre

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According to this latest post https://www.facebook.com/michael.murphytmp/posts/10207312209177113 the answer is none?
I'm having trouble getting the meaning of what their legal aim(s) currently are as he says "...we should not be looking at the fruits of the problem..." (ie suing the EPA, contamination issues on a certain level) but to address the root of the problem, which is climate models. He then goes on to state "...so our legal framework again is designed to prove that climate models are not inaccurate..." (which I think is a mis-statement) and "...getting injunctions to stop any climate change laws..."

n.b. Filmed under clear blue skies and a bright, bright sun!
he really should postpone the movie before he wastes alot of 'name recognition' marketing on a movie with no content.
 

Balance

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he really should postpone the movie before he wastes alot of 'name recognition' marketing on a movie with no content.

http://truthfrequencyradio.com/the-kev-baker-show-62465/

The radio host asks MJM if he's tested himself for toxins and MJM responded in the positive (about 4 years ago) and that they showed "nominal" readings because of his detox program.
He's also waiting on funding ("...for gas...") to get the aero-samples.
 

Jay Reynolds

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One should note that "Organic Sulfur" (MSM) is not "organic" in the usual food related context (i.e. produced without pesticides etc). It's organic only in the same way that gasoline is organic - i.e. it contains carbon. MSM is chemically extracted from the toxic waste products of paper making industry. Hardly "organic"

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Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM) is an organosulfur compound with the formula (CH3)2SO2. It is also known by several other names including DMSO2, methyl sulfone, and dimethyl sulfone.[2] This colorless solid features the sulfonylfunctional group and is considered relatively inert chemically. It occurs naturally in some primitive plants, is present in small amounts in many foods and beverages, and is marketed as a dietary supplement. It is also commonly found in the atmosphere above marine areas, where it is used as a carbon source by the airborne bacteria Afipia,[3] and is found distinctively in human melanoma cells.[4]
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MSM is made from DMSO (Dimethyl Sulfoxide), and DMSO is made by processing the waste product of paper making ("pulp and paper industry")-- it is NEVER made by simply processing trees or any other form of plant life (no matter what you might read in some less informed Internet sources), for the sole purpose of extracting DMSO. It COULD be, just as sea water could be used for the sole purpose of extracting gold, but this is totally impractical.

DMSO is extracted from the waste product of paper making -- and it is the PAPER MAKING that allows the whole process to be practical. As paper is made, the paper is made of the fibers of wood. But, as trees grow, the fibers of wood are stuck together, in the living tree, by a substance called "lignin." Lignin is like a glue that holds the fibers together. The wood could not be made into paper if all the fibers are still stuck together -- so papermaking must include some process by which the lignin is removed, allowing the wood fibers to be managed into flat paper, etc.

Lignin is removed with something called "pulping chemicals." These chemicals are sodium sulfite (the majority), sodium sulfide and sodium carbonate). When these chemicals are soaked in a vat with wood chips, the lignin dissolves and the wood fibers can then be removed from the mass. Generally about 50% of the stuff in the vat would be the wood fibers, ready for making into paper, and 50% would be the residue, the waste product, of the original "pulping chemicals" and the lignin that has now been dissolved. That first liquid is called DMS (CH3 - S - CH3), but it quickly and easily further refined into DMSO.

DMSO is the main ingredient from which MSM is made by a controlled oxidation process using hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) and water. There are no other chemicals used, and the H2O2 is turned into water.
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Trailblazer

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One should note that "Organic Sulfur" (MSM) is not "organic" in the usual food related context (i.e. produced without pesticides etc). It's organic only in the same way that gasoline is organic - i.e. it contains carbon. MSM is chemically extracted from the toxic waste products of paper making industry. Hardly "organic"

Yes, it's organic in the same way that organophosphates (the chemicals linked to aerotoxic syndrome) are organic. :)
 

Trailblazer

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Murphy gave a talk in Oregon yesterday.


He is still talking about the "chemtrail sampling" flights in the future tense. He also says that J. Marvin Herndon is going to be writing a "peer-reviewed, court admissible paper".

Do the supporters not get tired of this constant cycle of "the final proof is just around the corner", year in, year out?
 

Jay Reynolds

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So the paper by Herndon will be about climate model inaccuracy with alleged "chemtrails" not included. Interesting that Murphy is allowing the use of "chemtrails" bucking the trend away from the discredited terminology. Who are the older man and woman featured in the rough cut?
 
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