Alien Bodies at a Mexican UAP Hearing

[nmarsollier]

I believe that those bodies are fake.
But I have to admit that Maussan has done a good job collecting evidence (true or false) it is there

It is a shame that people like me that wants better studies can't see them because serious labs or scientists does not get paid to debunk fakes. Withouth real evidence that they are fake we can't probe that

Honestly I think that the bodies are there and the one that make them where really good doing that, even If they are fakes I believe that we can learn a lot about culture

 

[tjskep]

https://nypost.com/2023/09/19/mexican-doctors-say-alien-remains-are-biological/. ny post article says some mexican doctors "concluded" that the remains arent tampered with.

 

[Landru]

https://nypost.com/2023/09/19/mexican-doctors-say-alien-remains-are-biological/. ny post article says some mexican doctors "concluded" that the remains arent tampered with.

That's not what the article said.

Mexican doctors have found "no evidence of any assembly or manipulation of the skulls" of the so-called "non-human being" remains that were presented to Mexico's congress last week — seemingly proving the remains were not human-made.

 

[tjskep]

That's not what the article said.

ohh okay my mistake

 

[NorCal Dave]

I believe that those bodies are fake.
But I have to admit that Maussan has done a good job collecting evidence (true or false) it is there

I don't follow. If the bodies are fake, and they are, then how has Maussan done a good job of "collecting evidence"? Collecting fakes and presenting them as real is not doing a good job I would argue.

It is a shame that people like me that wants better studies can't see them because serious labs or scientists does not get paid to debunk fakes. Withouth real evidence that they are fake we can't probe that

There were several debunks of the bodies presented in various videos. My son who is an anthropologist and teaches osteology (bones) looked at some of the debunks and concurred. These are Gaffs made from a variety of human and animal bones arranged in "unique" patterns to create the entities. There is not a lot to probe further as they are fake creations.

Honestly I think that the bodies are there and the one that make them where really good doing that

But they weren't that good. The creators used things like vertebrae for wrist bones and complied obvious finger and foot bones together to create hand-like appendages.

 

[tjskep]

I don't follow. If the bodies are fake, and they are, then how has Maussan done a good job of "collecting evidence"? Collecting fakes and presenting them as real is not doing a good job I would argue.



There were several debunks of the bodies presented in various videos. My son who is an anthropologist and teaches osteology (bones) looked at some of the debunks and concurred. These are Gaffs made from a variety of human and animal bones arranged in "unique" patterns to create the entities. There is not a lot to probe further as they are fake creations.



But they weren't that good. The creators used things like vertebrae for wrist bones and complied obvious finger and foot bones together to create hand-like appendages.

i agree but do you think the mexican doctors that recently said the bodies were not man made were not the proper people to look into this?

 

[NorCal Dave]

https://nypost.com/2023/09/19/mexican-doctors-say-alien-remains-are-biological/. ny post article says some mexican doctors "concluded" that the remains arent tampered with.

From your link:

In the end, José Zalce Benitez, the director of the Health Sciences Research Institute in the secretary of the Mexican navy's office, said the studies proved the alleged aliens belonged to a single skeleton and were not assembled with human objects.

So, it's not "Drs" but a single person, Benitez. We have shown in other post in this thread that he has been involved in a number of very questionable conclusions about similar faked mummies.

 

[NorCal Dave]

i agree but do you think the mexican doctors that recently said the bodies were not man made were not the proper people to look into this?

I don't know enough about Benitez's training and background to say for sure. I do know that he has previously confirmed likely fakes as real aliens (bold by me):

In 2015, Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan, who reported the existence of the Nazca mummy to Gaia and is featured in the video, led an event called Be Witness, at which a mummified body — purportedly that of an alien — was unveiled. Later, though, that "alien" discovery was debunked, and the mummified corpse was shown to be that of a human child.

Forensic scientist José de Jésus Zalce Benitez was one of the lead researchers behind the (debunked) 2015 discovery, presenting his findings at the Be Witness event. Benitez also took part in Gaia's Nazca project and can be seen in the video claiming that the three fingers of the mummy "makes us think that this does not belong to a human species."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/

Maussan reported on a supposed alien body found in Peru in 2015 that was later debunked as the mummified corpse of a human child.
Benítez was also a lead researcher in the presentation of the debunked body discovery, which showed six three-finger mummified bodies in a YouTube video posted in 2017 by Gaia.com, which has been scrutinized as a conspiracy theory hub.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoni...ve-history-of-being-debunked/?sh=f5b495b1de85

Benitez may have been the right Dr. for Maussan, but an expert in Peruvian mummies would be the first person to talk to. Maybe an anthropologist that specializes in Peruvian burials and/or remains. Benitez seems to be Maussan's go to guy for a reason.

 

[Ravi]

Benitez may have been the right Dr. for Maussan, but an expert in Peruvian mummies would be the first person to talk to. Maybe an anthropologist that specializes in Peruvian burials and/or remains. Benitez seems to be Maussan's go to guy for a reason.

I seriously doubt him being a doctor. Perhaps he bought his degree, you never know in Mexico.

 

[FatPhil]

I seriously doubt him being a doctor. Perhaps he bought his degree, you never know in Mexico.

Do the Mexican Navy have the equivalent of a FOIA? Given his historical unreliability, I have to wonder even whether the "Scientific Institute for Health" either doesn't even exist, or hasn't even heard of him. Everyone's just quoting his position rote but the search engine I use can't isolate it given my primary-school levels of spanish. I don't see any Instituto Científico de Salud under gob.mx, for example (similar things found, under the department of health, but nothing under the navy).

Some dude on reddit claims he can be traced:

[–]DigitallyOdd 76 points 20 hours ago

The title of this forensic doctor is "director del Instituto Científico para la Salud de la Secretaría de la Marina de México" which would be translated as "Director of the Scientific Health Institute of the Mexican Navy", which sounds like a mouthful, but the guy is legit, you can look for it in the mexican government sites, which end in .gob.mx like this one: http://www.imss.gob.mx/prensa/archivo/202209/488

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Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/comments/16mncz8/according_to_jose_de_jesus_zalce_benitez_director/?rdt=33640

But his URL resolves to nothing but:

Access denied
Error 16
www.imss.gob.mx
2023-09-20 07:59:08 UTC
What happened?
This request was blocked by our security service

for me, so I'm left none the wiser. (The whole site returns that. This is why the quoting policy here is so essential!)

 

[Mendel]

Some dude on reddit claims he can be traced:

[–]DigitallyOdd 76 points 20 hours ago

The title of this forensic doctor is "director del Instituto Científico para la Salud de la Secretaría de la Marina de México" which would be translated as "Director of the Scientific Health Institute of the Mexican Navy", which sounds like a mouthful, but the guy is legit, you can look for it in the mexican government sites, which end in .gob.mx like this one: http://www.imss.gob.mx/prensa/archivo/202209/488

The wayback machine has it.

Article:

el especialista en Medicina Legal y Forense de la Secretaría de Marina (Semar), José de Jesús Zalce Benítez

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20230401173919/http://www.imss.gob.mx/prensa/archivo/202209/488

 

[MonkeeSage]

Do the Mexican Navy have the equivalent of a FOIA? Given his historical unreliability, I have to wonder even whether the "Scientific Institute for Health" either doesn't even exist, or hasn't even heard of him. Everyone's just quoting his position rote but the search engine I use can't isolate it given my primary-school levels of spanish. I don't see any Instituto Científico de Salud under gob.mx, for example (similar things found, under the department of health, but nothing under the navy).

This is not an official site, but this wordpress blog gives his rank in the Mexican Navy (Semar). A metadata tag in the source says it was published in 2016. A random blog isn't the best source but I couldn't find any other source for his rank.

Article:

Médico Cirujano Naval José de Jesús Zalce Benítez
Jefe del departamento de Medicina Legal y Forense. Secretaria de marina armada de México. Hospital general naval de alta especialidad. Grado: Capitán de Corbeta, Servicio de Sanidad Naval, Médico Cirujano Naval, Maestro en Medicina Forense. (TTE. FRAG. SSN. MC. N. FOR).

Source: https://especialidadenantropologiaforense.wordpress.com/medicina-forense/

Machine translation:

Article:

Naval Surgeon José de Jesús Zalce Benítez
Head of the Department of Legal and Forensic Medicine. Secretary of the Navy of Mexico. High specialty naval general hospital. Rank: Lieutenant Commander, Naval Health Service, Naval Surgeon, Master in Forensic Medicine. (TTE. FRAG. SSN. MC. N. FOR).

Source: https://especialidadenantropologiaforense-wordpress-com.translate.goog/medicina-forense/?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

This is from 2016 if the publication date is correct, so he could have been promoted, but I'm also not finding a "Instituto Científico para la Salud de la Secretaría de la Marina de México" other than people repeating Maussan.

If the blog is accurate I also can't help note the irony that he presented at the 2007 "Seminario Internacional Prevención y Sanción a la Trata de Personas" ("International Seminar on Prevention and Punishment of Human Trafficking"), though of course he says they're not human. I haven't been able to find a list of speakers for that event to confirm.

 

[JWrightBrain]

I mean. The simple answer is Benitez is in Maussan's pocket and he's lying. Have independent researchers study the bodies. Get experts on Peruvian mummies, geologists and the like.

 

[Ann K]

I seriously doubt him being a doctor. Perhaps he bought his degree, you never know in Mexico.

Not necessarily true. We have enough examples of really, really bad doctors in the USA, who nevertheless have legitimate medical degrees. Remember, in every subject there's a person who managed to graduate at the bottom of the class. And whether their "opinions" are purchased or are the result of carelessness, senility, political bias, etc, the title of "Doctor" gives them a sort of credibility that may not be warranted.

 

[ML2017]

https://nypost.com/2023/09/19/mexican-doctors-say-alien-remains-are-biological/. ny post article says some mexican doctors "concluded" that the remains arent tampered with.

On my Facebook wall I posted the conclusions of the radiologists who analyzed that "mummy" in a livestream, although the video is in Spanish (feel free to follow or add). The radiologists stated live that the mummy could not move its wrists, legs or knees... that the rib cage could not expand, hence that alien couldn't breathe... Yes, they did not say it was a fraud probably because they were surrounded by Maussan's team. That event was organized, staged and broadcasted by Maussan in all his social networks, clearly a desperate effort to try to convince the unwary who were disappointed.

Dr. Zalce Benítez intervened every time the radiologists pointed out how crude the joints looked. It was him who made the final conclusion of the "event".

Dr. Zalce accompanied Maussan at the Bewitness pay event in 2015, a few years ago he was also endorsing a product that Maussan touted as a "supplement" and that it cured all diseases during the pandemic....

 

[tjskep]

I don't know enough about Benitez's training and background to say for sure. I do know that he has previously confirmed likely fakes as real aliens (bold by me):

In 2015, Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan, who reported the existence of the Nazca mummy to Gaia and is featured in the video, led an event called Be Witness, at which a mummified body — purportedly that of an alien — was unveiled. Later, though, that "alien" discovery was debunked, and the mummified corpse was shown to be that of a human child.

Forensic scientist José de Jésus Zalce Benitez was one of the lead researchers behind the (debunked) 2015 discovery, presenting his findings at the Be Witness event. Benitez also took part in Gaia's Nazca project and can be seen in the video claiming that the three fingers of the mummy "makes us think that this does not belong to a human species."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/

Maussan reported on a supposed alien body found in Peru in 2015 that was later debunked as the mummified corpse of a human child.
Benítez was also a lead researcher in the presentation of the debunked body discovery, which showed six three-finger mummified bodies in a YouTube video posted in 2017 by Gaia.com, which has been scrutinized as a conspiracy theory hub.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoni...ve-history-of-being-debunked/?sh=f5b495b1de85

Benitez may have been the right Dr. for Maussan, but an expert in Peruvian mummies would be the first person to talk to. Maybe an anthropologist that specializes in Peruvian burials and/or remains. Benitez seems to be Maussan's go to guy for a

On my Facebook wall I posted the conclusions of the radiologists who analyzed that "mummy" in a livestream, although the video is in Spanish (feel free to follow or add). The radiologists stated live that the mummy could not move its wrists, legs or knees... that the rib cage could not expand, hence that alien couldn't breathe... Yes, they did not say it was a fraud probably because they were surrounded by Maussan's team. That event was organized, staged and broadcasted by Maussan in all his social networks, clearly a desperate effort to try to convince the unwary who were disappointed.

Dr. Zalce Benítez intervened every time the radiologists pointed out how crude the joints looked. It was him who made the final conclusion of the "event".

Dr. Zalce accompanied Maussan at the Bewitness pay event in 2015, a few years ago he was also endorsing a product that Maussan touted as a "supplement" and that it cured all diseases during the pandemic....

wow its scary how desperate they are to pass this stuff off thanks for the clarification

 

[Mendel]

On my Facebook wall I posted the conclusions of the radiologists who analyzed that "mummy" in a livestream, although the video is in Spanish (feel free to follow or add). The radiologists stated live that the mummy could not move its wrists, legs or knees... that the rib cage could not expand, hence that alien couldn't breathe... Yes, they did not say it was a fraud probably because they were surrounded by Maussan's team. That event was organized, staged and broadcasted by Maussan in all his social networks, clearly a desperate effort to try to convince the unwary who were disappointed.

Dr. Zalce Benítez intervened every time the radiologists pointed out how crude the joints looked. It was him who made the final conclusion of the "event".

If this is on youtube, with usable subtitles, it would be interesting to watch.

 

[ML2017]

If this is on youtube, with usable subtitles, it would be interesting to watch.

Their whole livestream is over an hour and the subtitles menu only offer the autotranslation. I'll try to add subtitles later to the clip I uploaded to my facebook wall.

 

[Mendel]

Their whole livestream is over an hour and the subtitles menu only offer the autotranslation. I'll try to add subtitles later to the clip I uploaded to my facebook wall.

Do you know at what time in the livestream your clip(s) starts?

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eief8UMIwZI

 

[ML2017]

Do you know at what time in the livestream your clip(s) starts?

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eief8UMIwZI

It's not only one part, it's several parts along the whole video, to spot the timestamps I'd have to watch it again. I'm at work right now. I may make subtitles for the clip in the evening though

 

[Mendel]

strongly paraphrased from ~1:07:40:
"this can't move like a knee, and the bone walls are too thin." — "great, that proves it's not human!"

 

[NorCal Dave]

Found this new quote by Benitez saying the "female" mummy, Clara, is alive and in gestation. It also lists him as a former Navy Dr. (bold by me):

The two aliens have been named Clara and Mauricio and have reportedly been studied in a lab at the Noor Clinic in Mexico. Lead researcher Dr Jose de Jesus Zalce Benitez, a former navy forensics doctor, who added that as well as being "a single skeleton" the aliens are also a "complete organic being."


He also denied that the aliens were part of a hoax and even said that Clara was "alive, was intact, was biological and was in gestation."

However, much like the alien bodies themselves, the research has been clouded in controversy and scepticism as the research has yet to be officially verified, with Nasa scientist Dr David Spergel questioning why the findings haven't been made public, as per the BBC.

Spergel said: "He said: "If you have something strange, make samples available to the world scientific community and we'll see what's there."

Benitez did add in his address at the press conference: "We are facing the paradigm of describing a new species or given the opportunity to accept that there has been contact with other beings, non-humans, that were drawn and marked in the past by diverse cultures throughout the world.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...p&cvid=8b44c5f6944048a4a1c89ca8c8413038&ei=83

It's from some sort of news aggregator site, Indy100, that just compiles odd things but I thought I saw the same quote on another similar site. I'll keep looking.

 

[JMartJr]

Eggs vs. River Stones

I know which one they look like to ME.

 

[Mendel]

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Eggs vs. River Stones
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I know which one they look like to ME.

https://lbah.com/avian/egg-binding/attachment/xray-egg-bound-bird/

They don't look like this, for sure.

And these are hard-shelled eggs for laying.

 

[ML2017]

Alright, it wasn't so long, less than one page. I added English subtitles to the clip, I'll add French subitles later. Just activate the subs in menu. Here is the link:

Source: https://www.facebook.com/100022658914135/videos/842127667578784/

 

[Ann K]

Do you know at what time in the livestream your clip(s) starts?

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eief8UMIwZI

I'm watching part of this (OK, I'm "watching" while reading auto-generated subtitles and at higher speed, so not a comprehensive study) and they're now talking about how fragile the specimen is, but I noticed when the specimen was taken out of its box (at about 13:20 or so) the person doing so made no apparent effort to treat it carefully, just hauled it out with one hand with no effort to support the rest of the body in spite of its small size and appearance of fragility.

 

[ML2017]

I'm watching part of this (OK, I'm "watching" while reading auto-generated subtitles and at higher speed, so not a comprehensive study) and they're now talking about how fragile the specimen is, but I noticed when the specimen was taken out of its box (at about 13:20 or so) the person doing so made no apparent effort to treat it carefully, just hauled it out with one hand with no effort to support the rest of the body in spite of its small size and appearance of fragility.

I added subtitles to the clip I uploaded to my Facebook wall. You can watch it from there now. Here is the link.

 

[nmarsollier]

Ok thanks for the videos that is a good respetable evidence, nice

Isnt it a mistake to compare extreaterrestrials bodies with terrestrials ? because we don't know how the species could evolve in others worlds

Maybe the best is to determine if they are Indeed made from terrestriald bodies, that would probe more than anything that the bodies are fakes

One thing that intrigued me is how old they are, how we could mimic that ancient thing. Maybe they are not old , not sure. Also the skin that looks like reptile, all those techniques to fake things are interesting from my point of view

 

[Mendel]

Isnt it a mistake to compare extreaterrestrials bodies with terrestrials ? because we don't know how the species could evolve in others worlds

they have eyes, nose, and a mouth
if they have lungs, they're going to want to breathe
if they have limbs, they ought to bend at the joints
when the anatomy is such that this isn't possible, you're looking at something so ill-adapted to living that it can't have evolved
even a robot dog has joints that work

and the DNA results came back with human, cow, and garden bean. so these mummies do have terrestrial DNA. they're just fake.

 

[Mendel]

Found this new quote by Benitez saying the "female" mummy, Clara, is alive and in gestation.

Cue Monty Python's dead parrot sketch: "She's not dead, squire, she's restin'."

Spoiler

Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ubVBK3cKanw&t=35

 

[Mendel]

Found this new quote by Benitez saying the "female" mummy, Clara, is alive and in gestation. It also lists him as a former Navy Dr. (bold by me):

The two aliens have been named Clara and Mauricio and have reportedly been studied in a lab at the Noor Clinic in Mexico. Lead researcher Dr Jose de Jesus Zalce Benitez, a former navy forensics doctor, who added that as well as being "a single skeleton" the aliens are also a "complete organic being."


He also denied that the aliens were part of a hoax and even said that Clara was "alive, was intact, was biological and was in gestation."

I think "was alive" just means "actually lived at one time, but is now dead".

 

[Charlie Wiser]

Isnt it a mistake to compare extreaterrestrials bodies with terrestrials ? because we don't know how the species could evolve in others worlds

Maybe the best is to determine if they are Indeed made from terrestriald bodies, that would probe more than anything that the bodies are fakes

"Josephine", the pregnant one, has fingerbones facing in opposite directions in each hand. This is not a case of how the species could evolve on other worlds. This is a mistake, and proof positive that the skeleton was pieced together.

 

[Doctor Franger]

A minor point of clarification, does "Doctor of Forensic Medicine" mean the same thing everywhere? It is used to describe Benitez in posts 132 & 142 above. In my understanding, Forensic means an expert in any field who works for a court of law, e.g., a forensic accountant investigates frauds and testifies about them in court, as opposed to doing your taxes.

Any suggestion Benitez has ever testified in court? In- or outside the Navy? Any Doctor can testify in court on medical issues, but I understand that a Doc of Forensic Medicine has specialised training in legal issues, processes and definitions.

 

[JWrightBrain]

A minor point of clarification, does "Doctor of Forensic Medicine" mean the same thing everywhere? It is used to describe Benitez in posts 132 & 142 above. In my understanding, Forensic means an expert in any field who works for a court of law, e.g., a forensic accountant investigates frauds and testifies about them in court, as opposed to doing your taxes.

Any suggestion Benitez has ever testified in court? In- or outside the Navy? Any Doctor can testify in court on medical issues, but I understand that a Doc of Forensic Medicine has specialised training in legal issues, processes and definitions.

I think you're right. He's not a biologist. You need a biologist to be looking at the bodies. To have him be the expert is almost as bad as "Phillip E. Johnson" who is a lawyer trying to determine if Evolution is valid by putting Darwin to the test in his book, "Darwin on Trial".

 

[Mendel]

I think you're right. He's not a biologist. You need a biologist to be looking at the bodies. To have him be the expert is almost as bad as "Phillip E. Johnson" who is a lawyer trying to determine if Evolution is valid by putting Darwin to the test in his book, "Darwin on Trial".

Well, I would expect a forensic doctor to be performing autopsies, put mutilated bodies back together, that sort of thing. So I would expect him to have a good grasp of general anatomy. But then you don't usually encounter fake bodies in forensic medicine.

 

[JWrightBrain]

Well, I would expect a forensic doctor to be performing autopsies, put mutilated bodies back together, that sort of thing. So I would expect him to have a good grasp of general anatomy. But then you don't usually encounter fake bodies in forensic medicine.

It sounds like to me everytime a discrepancy is uncovered, he just calls it proof that the body isn't human. A biologist would be better able to know if something is compatible with life or not by comparing it to the wide varieties of life on Earth.

 

[Mendel]

It sounds like to me everytime a discrepancy is uncovered, he just calls it proof that the body isn't human.

Well, I think we all agree him there.

(Though the DNA analysis suggests that parts are, in fact, human.)

 

[NorCal Dave]

A minor point of clarification, does "Doctor of Forensic Medicine" mean the same thing everywhere? It is used to describe Benitez in posts 132 & 142 above. In my understanding, Forensic means an expert in any field who works for a court of law, e.g., a forensic accountant investigates frauds and testifies about them in court, as opposed to doing your taxes.

Any suggestion Benitez has ever testified in court? In- or outside the Navy? Any Doctor can testify in court on medical issues, but I understand that a Doc of Forensic Medicine has specialised training in legal issues, processes and definitions.

Yes, in American English a "forensic" Dr. or accountant or computer expert is involved in the legal system:

Forensic science

, also known as criminalistics,[1] is the application of science to criminal and civil laws. During criminal investigation in particular, it is governed by the legal standards of admissible evidence and criminal procedure. It is a broad field utilizing numerous practices such as the analysis of DNA, fingerprints, bloodstain patterns, firearms, ballistics, and toxicology.

Forensic scientists collect, preserve, and analyze scientific evidence during the course of an investigation. While some forensic scientists travel to the scene of the crime to collect the evidence themselves, others occupy a laboratory role, performing analysis on objects brought to them by other individuals.[2] Still others are involved in analysis of financial, banking, or other numerical data for use in financial crime investigation, and can be employed as consultants from private firms, academia, or as government employees.[3]

In addition to their laboratory role, forensic scientists testify as expert witnesses in both criminal and civil cases and can work for either the prosecution or the defense. While any field could technically be forensic, certain sections have developed over time to encompass the majority of forensically related cases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_science

What exactly it means in relation to the Mexican Navy, I'm not sure. I haven't been able to find any information on Benitez, his education or his qualifications. It's unclear exactly what his degree is in.

A Forensic Pathologist is a medical Dr. that has gone to medical school and specializes in basically, dead people:

A forensic pathologist is a medical doctor who performs autopsies to determine the cause and manner of unexpected or suspicious deaths. They can work in both medical and governmental settings.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/24614-forensic-pathologist

However, Forensic Pathologists usually work with Forensic Anthropologist and/or Bio-Archeologist when dealing with very old remains as is the case here:

Forensic anthropology is a special sub-field of physical anthropology (the study of human remains) that involves applying skeletal analysis and techniques in archaeology to solving criminal cases. When human remains or a suspected burial are found, forensic anthropologists are called upon to gather information from the bones and their recovery context to determine who died, how they died, and how long ago they died. Forensic anthropologists specialize in analyzing hard tissues such as bones. With their training in archaeology, they are also knowledgeable about excavating buried remains and meticulously recording the evidence.

https://naturalhistory.si.edu/education/teaching-resources/social-studies/forensic-anthropology

That's what should have happened here. These mummies should have been studied by experts in indigenous pre-Colombian cultures and burials. The obvious problem is that even IF Maussan had allowed them to be studied by the proper experts, and I doubt he would have, those experts would quickly see them as the fakes they are and just ignore them all together.

So, what we get is a common practice in fringe science, the expert-non-expert. In our thread on meta-materials (link below) we discussed Dr. Gary Nolen of Stanford University testing pieces of metal purportedly from a crashed UFO. Stanford is considered one of the top R1 research Universities in the US, if not the world and Dr. Nolen is well respected in his field.

Unfortunately, his field is not material sciences, metallurgy, physics, physical chemistry or any other field that one would expect to be studying chunks of metal. He's a medical Dr. specializing in immunology IIRC.

This seems to be common occurrence.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/meta-materials-from-ufos.12995/

 

[Doctor Franger]

As observed by JMartJr and Mendel above, the "eggs" on the x-ray are visually suspect.

Under x-ray eggshells have a pronounced denser outline 'halo' for obvious reasons. As do bones for the same reasons. The "eggs" x-ray like stones, like something of a much denser material than bone or egg (stone) and the same density throughout (like stones, unlike eggs or bones).
And they vary in shape and size (like stones, unlike eggs).

He wouldn't be alluding to "reptilian" aka "lizard men" conspiracy theories here, right?

He (curious george) refers to skin with "reptilian qualities". In its presumed meaning mammals have it (the armadillo), and fish, and birds (on their legs at least). But no definition is provided so arguably humans may well have it too.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

Actually is not the most recommendable one. The author is Jose de la Cruz Rios who also endorsed the Roswell Slides that Maussan presented in a pay-per-view show (hoax) under the name Bewitness in 2015.
This "paper" was published in a journal called Iaras, this journal is of very dubious reputation. Its name appears on the updated Beall's list of predatory journals. That "journal" almost lacks peer review.
Why did José de la Cruz Ríos publish this paper?
Everything seems to indicate that the real intention was to publish the "first paper on the tridactyl mummies of Nazca".... well, the biologist does not know English, so draw your own conclusions.

Following up on this point.

Setting aside the reputation of the journal, Lopez's article concludes that Josefina's skull is a llama. It was published in 2021, three years after he presented to Congress in Peru where he provided "evidence" the mummy was real and didn't attempt to compare the skull to a llama.

(I've seen some confusion where he was thought to also present the aliens at the 2023 Mexico hearing but this isn't true - they were presented by Jois Mantilla. Presumably Lopez's initial work was included there, though obviously not his later llama-work.)

So the question is: what's his current position on Josefina? Is he out from under Maussan's influence now? Otherwise, why write the paper saying the mummy is a hoax?