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  1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member



    In a widely shared tweet two identical pieces of curved train track appear to be different sizes.

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    This has been widely explained as an example of the Jastrow Illusion, something that's commonly illustrated with toy train tracks. And indeed that that's part of it, however there's more to it than that. Compare the top segment to the bottom segment here.

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    It looks smaller, right? Now everyone is telling you this is just an illusion. It's quite true that the Jastrow illusion makes the bottom piece look bigger. But in this image (and the video) the bottom piece actually IS bigger. It's bigger because it's closer to the camera:
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    This may seem like a minor point (after all the Jastrow Illusion IS partly why it seems bigger), but I think it illustrates a very common problem of rushing to embrace an explanation - especially if that explanation is really interesting and has a cool name. A great example of this "rush to explain" was this "floating city" video:

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    This was widely "explained" (in many major media outlets) as being a Fata Morgana Mirage - something that was physically impossible based on the 3D structures and the camera angle. Yet people eagerly grasped this explanation and repeated it. In fact it was a hoax video, either computer generated, or done with reflections.

    The lesson: just because everyone is repeating the same explanation, it does not mean that explanation is correct.
     
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  2. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    I agree that perspective makes the nearer piece bigger on screen, but normally our brains account for perspective, so that two similar objects appear the same size to us even if one is forming a larger image on our retinas.

    For example, there is no illusion here, even though the nearer pen is larger if measured on the screen.

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    The illusion overrides our brain's normal ability to account for perspective. I wonder if it would still work with the pieces the other way up, so that the "lower" (i.e. "larger") piece was actually further from the camera? I have these same tracks at home, so I can try it later.
     
  3. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    Faking it quickly in Photoshop by using the perspective warp, it seems the illusion still works, even when the "bottom" piece is further away, and thus actually smaller on the image:

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    Moving the image of the top piece, which (to me at least) still appears to be bigger, onto the lower one:

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  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The illusion is definitely there (and works very well). I think though that the combined effect makes it seem they are actually different sizes. The lower piece with perspective seems thicker, not just longer, but in the overhead view they seem the same thickness. This reinforces the illusion that they are different sizes, and stops you from "correcting" for perspective.
     
  5. Gridlock

    Gridlock Active Member

    I was playing with this the other day, and if you rapidly swap the pieces over and over in front of you it really does start to make your brain hurt.
     
  6. Marin B

    Marin B Active Member

    speaking of optical illusions... The squares marked A and B are the same shade of gray.
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  7. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    So, I tried it at home with the curves the other way up. The illusion still works but is much less dramatic. Video is attached, converted to GIF and (hopefully) embedded below as well.


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  8. mrfintoil

    mrfintoil Active Member

    ttracks.
    Yeah, perspective definitely enhances the illusion. Here is a simple animated illustration using dolly zoom.
    For example, most modern phone cameras can be very wide angled. Shooting something that close usually leads to a very wide angle of view.
     
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  9. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    can you try turning the two so the straight edges are actually straight? i think would be a better tutorial tpe vid/gif
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  10. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

    Is this why my nose always looks so big when I take a selfie? Was going to post one, but my nose looks big. :)
     
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  11. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    radius is the same.
     

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  12. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    This is why an engine belt won't fit, just by visually guessing it's size.
     
  13. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    The crazy thing is that even with the line drawn on there, the bottom piece still looks bigger!
     
  14. mrfintoil

    mrfintoil Active Member

    Are you used to work with three-dimensional shapes? As a graphics artist I'm used to measure shapes by eye, and for me the illusion completely disappears when the base of the pieces are aligned to a horizontal or vertical plane.

    I think a slanted base line, disguises the fact that the pieces are the same size The baseline provides a crucial reference. Looking at @deirdre's image with a slanted baseline puts the illusion back into the image for me.
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    However, aligning the baseline of the tracks in the original video doesn't remove the illusion, which further supports the conclusion that the main reason why the top piece looks smaller is because both pieces lies flat on a floor shot in an angle, as opposed to @deirdre's image where the surface of both pieces are perpendicular to the camera.
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