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  1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    When a jet rotates it changes the way it moves. You can't just rotate a jet, stop rotating near 90° and keep moving exactly the same as before. For a start the amount of vertical lift generated by the wings decreases. Even with a relatively rapid aileron roll the altitude changes. Note they go up first to offset the loss in lift.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy7sUfeWzXw
    Metabunk 2018-03-22 21-41-48.

    You can't do that and stop the roll in the middle.


    This (the GIMBAL video) looks more like it's almost hovering, and just rotating in place. It's difficult to see how that could be accomplished with existing technology. But the rotating glare is a very simple explanation.
     
  2. stacanova

    stacanova New Member

    As others have alluded to, the ENTIRE context of this video is created by the audio of the pilots.

    If the audio underneath the video was, 2 pilots calmly discussing a commercial aircraft that they are monitoring because the aircraft is nearing a "no fly zone", none of this video would even need to be debunked.
    We would assume that the pilots know what they are looking at and how aircraft that they are tracking, appear on their flir system, correct.

    Two questions,
    1. Is the audio authentic? Military Pilots flying some of our most advanced aircraft, saying "dude", seems out of place to me?
    I would like to ask a military pilot if they would ever use the word "dude" from his cockpit radio? Any type of "slang" seems like it would be completely frowned under those circumstances.
    2. If the audio is authentic, shouldn't pilots flying multi-million dollar aircraft with weapon systems, know exactly how other aircraft should look on all their systems? That is scary, that they could possibly mistake a known aircraft for something anomalous.
     
  3. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

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  4. Agent K

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  5. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    New details from the May 26 NY Times story.
    ‘Wow, What Is That?’ Navy Pilots Report Unexplained Flying Objects
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-pilots.html

    The story showed the Gimbal video followed by the Go Fast video with the following caption:
    But as I recall, the timestamp suggested that the two videos were taken about 15 minutes apart. Or was it just a coincidence?

    The story talks about objects that are visible only on radar, which is the opposite of the Nimitz tic tac that was seen by the pilot but not by his radar.

    Wonder if the new radar was picking up birds and stuff, or if it was just noise.
     
  6. Gerard

    Gerard Member

    The Nimitz objects were initially seen by the USS Princeton's radar, which is phased array but apparently the mechanically scanned Hornet radars had trouble seeing them. It seems that in all cases these types of objects are much more likely to be seen by phased-array radars than by the older technology.
     
  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Or possibly that those new phased-array radar had a different type of false detections
     
  8. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    The NY Times story ends with, "The incidents tapered off after they left the United States, the pilots said."
    So either they recalibrated their radars or they were picking up something off the East Coast but not in the Persian Gulf, although I'm not sure what's meant by "the incidents tapered off." Were there similar incidents in the Persian Gulf but less frequently, or not?
     
  9. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    who is they? I don't have access to the NYT now. Did multiple pilots give interviews/quotes or just Lt. Accoin?
     
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  11. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    Given the limited data info to fully understand the Gimbal video, we are either left with sleuthing the incident, or speculating...or a combo of both.
    I would not find it unusual, for pilots during training, to be handed the task of testing their gear - as well as testing their human reaction - to chasing and evaluating an unknown craft or object without any prior knowledge of what was to be encountered.
    We don't know if these were simply exercises for pilots in training, or hardware/software detection abilities.
    We don't know what might have been discussed in any post-flight evaluation or incident debriefing.
     
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2019