1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member


    A 238 GB zip file. That's going to take a few days for me to download with my rural internet. Perhaps one of you city folk could download it, and see what it contains.


    I can't quite see why that took an extra two weeks to get it online. But at least they have extended the deadline for comments.
  2. benthamitemetric

    benthamitemetric Active Member

    I have relative fast internet (about 1 gb/s downloads) and it is currently estimating that it will take me 6-7 hours to download the files, so there is definitely a server-side bottleneck. I'll leave it running all night and see if I have the files in the morning.

    While I'm waiting for them to download, I will say that I wish they also said exactly which software (including the exact version no. and any extensions, etc.) they used so that I could better evaluate the cost of obtaining the licenses necessary to access their files exactly as they did.
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  3. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I recommend using wget with infinite retries, like:

    wget -c --retry-connrefused --tries=0 --timeout=5 https://files.wtc7report.org/file/public-download/UAF+WTC+7+Zip+File/UAF+WTC+7+Files.zip
    It's currently downloading at about 1mb/s here (I've got a 10mb/s connection). I'm guessing several people are downloading it.

    If you do, then maybe you could dropbox the unzipped folder? It shouldn't download much slower, as Dropbox will recompress the files for download.
  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I unzipped the first 7GB, and got this:

    Metabunk 2019-10-15 22-24-47.

    A couple of interesting doc files (attached)

    Unfortunately, I won't have time to look at them for a few days. But this looks interesting, composite and non-composite beams. Metabunk 2019-10-15 22-34-09.

    Metabunk 2019-10-15 22-35-06.

    The language isn't really clear there.

    Attached Files:

  5. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Above screenshots say version 18.2.0 Ultimate 64-bit
    Metabunk 2019-10-15 22-39-38.
  6. benthamitemetric

    benthamitemetric Active Member

    I downloaded the whole 238 gb file last night, but was unfortunately met with nothing but errors this morning when I tried to open it. Here's my attempt to open it with the latest version of winzip:

    Window's explorer also choked on it and gave a similar error, saying it was an invalid file.

    I have a pretty beefy PC (9900K, 32 gbs ram, 2080 ti, ~5 tb+ free HD space), so I doubt its a hardware issue, but I suppose it could be, depending on how zip programs manage memory. Or it could be a software issue. What did you use to successfully access some of the files, Mick?

    If I can verify that the files are accessible, I'll put them on dropbox today.
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    Hama Kavula New Member

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  8. Oystein

    Oystein Active Member

    Trying to download ("Save link as...") using Chrome, I get rates between 1 and 2 MB/s, which would take about 2 days. But after only like 1 or 2 GB, I get "network errors", download stops, and when I resume, it restarts from zero.

    So I try this...
    So I start (from the Windows 10 Start menu) a "cmd" box, cd my way to my preferred directory, where I enter via copy & paste the above command line. This gives me immediately the following error response:
    C:\Users\myname\Documents>wget -c --retry-connrefused --tries=0 --timeout=5 https://files.wtc7report.org/file/public-download/UAF+WTC+7+Zip+File/UAF+WTC+7+Files.zip
    SYSTEM_WGETRC = c:/progra~1/wget/etc/wgetrc
    syswgetrc = C:\Program Files (x86)\Gow/etc/wgetrc
    --2019-10-16 16:08:43--  https://files.wtc7report.org/file/public-download/UAF+WTC+7+Zip+File/UAF+WTC+7+Files.zip
    Resolving files.wtc7report.org...,, 2606:4700:30::681b:832e, ...
    Connecting to files.wtc7report.org||:443... connected.
    OpenSSL: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure
    Unable to establish SSL connection.
    What am I doing wrong?
  9. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I suspect you need a different (Newer) version of wget. It looks like your system is redirecting wget to wgetrc. I’m not sure what that is. I’m on a Mac.
  10. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Or possibly your windows needs an update for the root certificates.
  11. Oystein

    Oystein Active Member

    Newer version did the trick. I had version 1.11.4, now I downloaded 1.20.3

    Download is running, expected time of arrival 6 hours and a bit from now
  12. Steen and Claus

    Steen and Claus New Member

    I'm also downloading it, using JDownloader. It should handle reconnects better than a browser.

    Link, if anyone is interested: http://jdownloader.org/

    Available for Windows, Linux, Mac, Java.

  13. benthamitemetric

    benthamitemetric Active Member

    Great suggestion! I'm trying it now and it does seem to be successfully extracting the files. It's got another hour or so to go to finish doing that, but it looks like it's working. If it does work and shows my zip file isn't corrupt, I'll get it up on dropbox today.

    EDIT: It worked. I am uploading the zip file to dropbox now.
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  14. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I used some “unarchiver” app on my Mac. I’m still downloading though. Luckily coinciding with me being out of town for a few days (visiting NYC) so hopefully it will be finished by a the time I get back.

    idea: extract tranches of files by doctype. Seems like .doc/.docx will be of interest. But also any images and videos.
  15. benthamitemetric

    benthamitemetric Active Member

    There are definitely a larger number of random word document notes and videos in the files. To me, they show an iterative process whereby the team worked through relatively basic questions and software functions, which led to some tests that went wildly wrong, such as the attached .avi's. It's also somewhat interesting that most of the work (including the global analysis) was done in 2017 or before based on the file dates.

    I'm uploading it all to dropbox now, but I think dropbox might be throttling me because it says I have 20 hours to go.

    I'm actually swapping coasts with Mick and traveling to CA for a business trip over the weekend and so won't have much time to dig into the files myself until next week, but I will post the dropbox link here when the files are done uploading.

    Attached Files:

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  16. benthamitemetric

    benthamitemetric Active Member

    In the folder "New folder (7)_WTC7 Reports&Files in 2019" there are a number of files that seem to piece together the work that was done to produce the collapse animations that were released in the final report. Among various documents, there is the following screenshot, seemingly of Zhili Quan's desktop:


    Based on the date in the analysis completion summary in the middle of the screen, this screenshot was taken in April 2019. There is a folder there in the upper right named "Tony's Comments". I am guessing that folder contains comments from Tony Szamboti. Notably, however, that folder was not contained in the files that were made public. So what gives? Why was Tony, a member of the leadership of the study's sponsor, allowed to comment on the report before it was made public? And why are his comments not included in the publicly available files?

    This is just more evidence of the big lie at the heart of this project: it was never an attempt to reach an impartial conclusion via dispassionate analysis; instead, it was motivated research that was directed step-by-step by a sponsor seeking a particular conclusion. And someone made the deliberate choice to hide the extent of the sponsor's influence here by omitting those files from the public data set (in contrast, the other files related to the study on the desktop in the screenshot are included in the public data set).
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  17. Hama Kavula

    Hama Kavula New Member

    Weird those animations. Looks like they were goofing around with the program. Or even that they were looking for a result they like to have. Not something that comes out in a simulation were you put in the correct numbers. If stuff like this is cluttering up this download, then hmm...
    Would not be necessary to include, wouldn't it?
    Since I still have problems with the download and I tried it now for the 10th time, considering their "issue" with the upload, didn't they thought it would be a good idea to clean it up a little?

    And I thought that Toni was not involved? Clearly a sign that he was, I think(obviously...)
    I would like to know that folders creation date. Not to speak of its content. That would be even more interesting and if they provide this info, that would be transparent. Independent is out of the window from the start given who the sponsor is. But at least they could be transparent about that. A cover up would be ironic.

    Something on my list to write in the public comment.
  18. benthamitemetric

    benthamitemetric Active Member

    Ok, the dropbox upload is finally complete.

    The zip archive can be accessed here for the next 30 days at least.

    For those who download it, note that I found the free program 7z to be able to extract it where other programs failed (though of course the extraction took some time given its size).

    I don't know how quick or easy downloading from dropbox will be, but hopefully it is better than the AE911Truth/UAF server for most.
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  19. benthamitemetric

    benthamitemetric Active Member

    As I mentioned above, folder "New folder (7)_WTC7 Reports&Files in 2019" seems to contain the work done to piece together the released collapse animations. Given a paucity of clear annotation and guidance as to the significance of the items in the folder, it is difficult to discern which files are current and relevant and which are not. That said, as with the content of other folders, reviewing the various save dates and noted file dates tells you a lot and, in this case, it is clear that these files pertain to the process of iteration and troubleshooting re the global collapse animations from 2018 through 2019.

    While many of the files require expensive ($2000+) software licenses to review, many are in more common formats (excel, word, video, picture, etc.). One of the excel files, "Forcing Functions.xlsx" (attached), in particular stands out. It is dated as having been last modified on 4/26/19 and seems to show the method by which they produced the global collapse animations: they used a timed sequence of "gravity multipliers" applied to different sections of the building. Those gravity multipliers are shown in screenshots that are embedded in the spreadsheet, e.g.:






    So I believe this confirms without any doubt that those animations were not actual dynamic simulations (unless truthers are next going to claim that WTC7 was brought down by a localized and heretofore-never-witnessed-in-nature gravitational phenomena that acted in discrete stages on different elements of the building). The animations were hand rigged to behave exactly as they did and are thus devoid of any analytical significance. The folder also includes the attached graphic "Matching Velocirty w. annotation.PNG":

    Matching Velocity w. annotation.PNG

    To me, it appears this graphic was likely made so that they could match up their hand rigged animation to David Chandler's analysis, which is popular in truther circles.

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  20. Hama Kavula

    Hama Kavula New Member

    I finally was able to download it. Hooray! My 2 cents:

    As a start I watched all the videos they produced. Many look like the students were trying out the program(folder: 06292017/test7.avi for example). A lot of unnatural behavior. The final results look not much better and given that they are not dynamic simulations and just animations makes this study look very amateurish if not fraudulant. In one video for example the roof bends cartoonishly upwards(Folder: 03312017/floor 3-47(damaged)_penthouse8.avi). There are also videos where the penthouse falls through the hole building(folder: New folder (7)_WTC7 Reports&Files in 2019/floor 3-47(damaged)_penthouse36_shell.avi). Contrary to their current premise. Why did they change their mind on that? I can't remember the explanation being given in the draft report. I will read it again tough, as well as the NIST report.

    But that the penthouse comes down first, is in a controlled demolition scenario very illogical from the get go. Because the conspiritors would have to take more risk and work to rig just the penthouse with explosives. For what? There is no need to do this.

    What is clear to me is, that a simple person on youtube can do a better job in recreating the NIST report's findings and simulations than Hulsey. If anyone from AE9/11truth reads this, this is a realistic dynamic simulation:

    mod add: https://www.metabunk.org/kai-kostacks-wtc7-collapse-simulation-using-bcb-and-blender.t9084/

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAkTbyENZ5s


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  21. Steen and Claus

    Steen and Claus New Member

    I get that, too. When I use 7-Zip, it begins unpacking. I haven't checked if it unpacks everything fine, though.
  22. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Unfortunately, my computer crashed while I was away, so I'm only at 17% :(
  23. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I've still only got 60GB of the zip, but there's plenty of interest. Here's one file which apparently is a presentation they decided not to use. It contains some animation of their SAP2000 models (found elsewhere as .AVI files). It's
    https://www.metabunk.org/f/uaf/New Microsoft PowerPoint Presentation.pptx
    Author: Zhiti Quan
    Last edited Aug 29,2017

    It contains a lot of the C79 push-off analysis, but also quite a bit of the odd global models
    Metabunk 2019-10-20 07-31-29.

    This is animated (see attached .mp4) and looks like a simple linear model with no connection failures or collisions - everything just stretches. It does appear to be an attempt to simulate the actual full collapse, but of course, it's wildly inaccurate - due to the lack of connection failures and collisions

    via GIPHY

    Source: https://giphy.com/gifs/fxBMGVDXEAJIDJb8rc/html5

    Attached Files:

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  24. econ41

    econ41 Active Member

    Just posted on ISF by pgimeno - the data can be accessed file by file from archive.org:
    That ISF post is at: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12863734#post12863734
  25. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Sill only 65% here. Living in the country gives me free firewood, but slow internet.

    Looking at the files, the bulk of the space is taken up with generated files - these are technically unnecessary as you could regenerate them from the source files. But might be useful for generating visualizations without the software.

    Looking at the SAP2000 files used for the global collapse analysis. The files are arranged like:

    Metabunk 2019-10-22 08-45-16.

    So commonly there seems to be an "original" file, labeled 1, then subsequent variations on this (2, 3, 4, etc) that also have their output file.

    • The actual model is in the .sbd file, this is a SAP2000 binary database
    • .sbk is a backup of this file, in the few I looked at it's the same file.
    • .$2k is a text copy of the .sbk backup file. This is quite useful for a simple inspection, as we can compare two text files and see what the differences are (i.e. what members were removed, and what
    • .ico is a thumbnail image of the model
    The other files (.K??, .Y??, .OUT, LOG, and .msh) are the output from the calculation of that particular setup. I think you could essentially load the .sbd file into SAP2000 and then hit the run button, and get this output.

    Regarding differences. Comparing Floor 3-47(Damaged)1.$2k and Floor 3-47(Damaged)2.$2k we see just 77 sections removed, totally 198 lines. This would be something like removing columns.
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  26. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Sill got a day of downloading here, but I've been browsing via the archive.org link. Looking at the file behind the money shot:

    This (49) seems to be the last SAP2000 file. Preceeding it is #48, which is the same thing with a different angle. Then #47 is one of the "tip-over" simulations.

    Oddly 48 (angled view) is a much smaller file than 49 (front view). 49 seems to have a bunch more geometry, but in teh videos seems to act the same.

    Curiously going back to #37 there's a version of this with collapsing floors.
    Metabunk 2019-10-22 11-57-34.
  27. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Extracting the basic geometery from the .$2k files seems a reasonably straightforward task.

    The file is divided into a variety of tables. Listed here:
    The vertices are defined in "TABLE: "JOINT COORDINATES", like:
       Joint=65190   CoordSys=GLOBAL   CoordType=Cartesian   XorR=3214   Y=4386.75   Z=5451   SpecialJt=No   GUID=48e0e82a-f7b6-4aeb-8a04-18bf53ae87c8
    So that's saying joint number 65190 has a position of (3214, 4386.75, 5451)

    Joints are referenced in the table: "TABLE: "CONNECTIVITY - AREA", defining the corners of quadrilaterals

    Area=10326   Joint1=64422   Joint2=58840   Joint3=58949   Joint4=64432   GUID=bb05d2df-4eae-4391-8bab-e2c8986bd63c
       Area=10327   Joint1=58824   Joint2=58847   Joint3=63659   Joint4=65190   GUID=a542e31b-38a5-4708-9277-491aac79ed9f
       Area=10328   Joint1=58847   Joint2=58824   Joint3=64432   Joint4=58949   GUID=2263551c-0518-4372-9f9e-b209adb0e7ee
       Area=10329   Joint1=58854   Joint2=58861   Joint3=65190   Joint4=63603   GUID=c394e9c9-6a7d-4145-aa5f-71e6faa094f0
       Area=10330   Joint1=58956   Joint2=58963   Joint3=58977   Joint4=58970   GUID=4fedc419-77b8-4097-8149-3082cb1f7ffb
    And also in TABLE: "CONNECTIVITY - FRAME", to define the endpoints (I and J) of a "frame" (presumably a framing/structural member?)

     Frame=19894   JointI=62881   JointJ=62966   IsCurved=No   GUID=c666405b-37d5-4aab-8bed-dd85485aecbc
       Frame=19899   JointI=62966   JointJ=63619   IsCurved=No   GUID=52e59cf9-adc5-46af-8f68-28b6d494537e
       Frame=19904   JointI=62508   JointJ=63603   IsCurved=No   GUID=be15ab5d-3077-48ff-a11a-764b440cde9a
       Frame=19916   JointI=63627   JointJ=63643   IsCurved=No   GUID=9780800b-1232-47bd-8162-9b9b4c3ce08f
       Frame=19922   JointI=65190   JointJ=63659   IsCurved=No   GUID=7504b6a2-46eb-4d41-9b88-84e950fad1aa
       Frame=19923   JointI=62333   JointJ=65191   IsCurved=No   GUID=4b4a19bf-e570-432b-b530-4f292bbfbf72
       Frame=19930   JointI=65191   JointJ=62871   IsCurved=No   GUID=3c121375-2ac8-4d00-ad19-1bcdba4fc415
    Other tables define things to do with the frames. These are all the lines that reference this frame
       Frame=19922   AutoMesh=Yes   AtJoints=Yes   AtFrames=No   NumSegments=0   MaxLength=0   MaxDegrees=0
       Frame=19922   AutoMesh=Yes   AtJoints=Yes   AtFrames=No   NumSegments=0   MaxLength=0   MaxDegrees=0
       Frame=19922   DesignProc="From Material"
       Frame=19922   AssignProp=M3   DistType=RelDist   RelDist=0   AbsDist=0   ActualDist=0
       Frame=19922   AssignProp=V2   DistType=RelDist   RelDist=0   AbsDist=0   ActualDist=0
       Frame=19922   AutoDivide=No   NoLoadDrop=No   LimNegStiff=10
       Frame=19922   CardinalPt="10 (centroid)"   CoordSys=GLOBAL   JtOffsetXI=0   JtOffsetYI=0   JtOffsetZI=-14.62   JtOffsetXJ=0   JtOffsetYJ=0   JtOffsetZJ=-14.62   Mirror2=No   Mirror3=No   Transform=Yes
       Frame=19922   Transfer=Yes
       Frame=19922   StationType=MaxStaSpcg   MaxStaSpcg=24   AddAtElmInt=Yes   AddAtPtLoad=Yes
       Frame=19922   PI=No   V2I=Yes   V3I=No   TI=No   M2I=No   M3I=Yes   PJ=No   V2J=Yes   V3J=No   TJ=No   M2J=No   M3J=Yes
       Frame=19922   V2I=100000   M3I=100000000
       Frame=19922   AutoSelect=N.A.   AnalSect=W24X62   MatProp=Default
    Frame=19922   DesignSect="Program Determined"   FrameType="Program Determined"   Fy=0   RLLF=0   AreaRatio=0   XLMajor=0   XLMinor=0   XLLTB=0   K1Major=0   K1Minor=0   K2Major=0   K2Minor=0   KLTB=0   CmMajor=0   CmMinor=0   Cb=0 _
    		B1Major=0   B1Minor=0   B2Major=0   B2Minor=0   HSSReduceT="Program Determined"   HSSWelding="Program Determined"   Omega0=0   Ry=0   Pnc=0   Pnt=0   Mn3=0   Mn2=0   Vn2=0   Vn3=0   CheckDefl="Program Determined" _
    		DeflType="Program Determined"   DLRat=0   SDLAndLLRat=0   LLRat=0   TotalRat=0   NetRat=0   DLAbs=0   SDLAndLLAbs=0   LLAbs=0   TotalAbs=0   NetAbs=0   SpecCamber=0   DCLimit=0
       Frame=19922   DesignSect="Program Determined"   FrameType="Program Determined"   Fy=0   RLLF=0   AreaRatio=0   XLMajor=0   XLMinor=0   XLLTB=0   K1Major=0   K1Minor=0   K2Major=0   K2Minor=0   KLTB=0   CmMajor=0   CmMinor=0   Cb=0 _
    		B1Major=0   B1Minor=0   B2Major=0   B2Minor=0   HSSReduceT="Program Determined"   HSSWelding="Program Determined"   Omega0=0   Ry=0   Pnc=0   Pnt=0   Mn3=0   Mn2=0   Vn2=0   Vn3=0   CheckDefl="Program Determined" _
    		DeflType="Program Determined"   DLRat=0   SDLAndLLRat=0   LLRat=0   TotalRat=0   NetRat=0   DLAbs=0   SDLAndLLAbs=0   LLAbs=0   TotalAbs=0   NetAbs=0   SpecCamber=0   DCLimit=0
    So a very simple geometry visualization could just create lines defined in TABLE: "CONNECTIVITY - FRAME" between their I/J points, as defined in "TABLE: "JOINT COORDINATES". This could then be extended to include areas, and possibly even display the correct crosssection (like W24x62, here)
  28. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I made a simple tool to convert .$2k to .DEA (Collada) files. It just does a simple conversion of the frame right now

    You can then view the model in Preview on a Mac.
    Metabunk 2019-10-24 16-13-13.
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  29. Tomi

    Tomi Member

    This deflection plot looks really odd and surprising to me for a few reasons:

    1. The deflections at levels where the columns have been removed (lvls 7-14) are less than the levels above. This implies that when they removed the columns they also removed the floor load

    2. 7.1 in of deflection is not large for a 75 ft span that was designed for a 35ft span.

    3. The end connections of the girder that spans between columns 79 and 80, is a double angle side-plate connection. see below. It is hard to imagine that it is able to take the forces needed to support the floor when the column provides no verticals support.

    It appears to another misuse of elastic analysis with switch on gravity that neither considers the non-linear effects or the dynamic amplification that would occur with any column removal.