Pete Tar
Senior Member.
But why are you here then? It's like going to a forum devoted to Doctor Who and insisting on talking about how cool Star Trek is. What are you trying to achieve? Saving those who aren't brainwashed yet by our evil cult?
Just because something isn't known you seem to think that proves the lack of the material investigative approach - it doesn't, it's just not known. Big deal. Maybe it will be known, maybe we can never know, it doesn't mean all alternative theories are somehow validated by the fact that science doesn't have an answer.
It's possible not to know something and not have existential anxiety because of it. Zen mind beginners mind.
Yeah, but so? If you have to make up stories that provide neat explanations for everything then go ahead, it's what humans do best and have done since the human race existed. Doesn't make any of them true.
And consciousness has to be material because only material can act on material. If consciousness were not material how could it affect us? There, done. (I kid)
So therefore your war is about keeping god in the game? Why? It's a completely different game to the one being played here.
There is a 'meta-debunking' part to the forum where this sort of discussion might be more applicable, as it doesn't seem to be about specific events or facts but 'meta' approaches to knowing reality.
It (your spiel) does seem to be coming from a fundamentally mutually exclusive place to the one openly being practised here, so again, why would you be here if you disagree so much?
Could you make a clear thread showing clearly what exact howling irony has been pointed out over and over because, sorry, but it still eludes me.
Just because something isn't known you seem to think that proves the lack of the material investigative approach - it doesn't, it's just not known. Big deal. Maybe it will be known, maybe we can never know, it doesn't mean all alternative theories are somehow validated by the fact that science doesn't have an answer.
It's possible not to know something and not have existential anxiety because of it. Zen mind beginners mind.
"This is seen as a given in the box, but the truth of the matter is you don't even know what consciousness is or why it is there in the first place. And absolutely nothing in your model explains why we even have it in the first place."
Yeah, but so? If you have to make up stories that provide neat explanations for everything then go ahead, it's what humans do best and have done since the human race existed. Doesn't make any of them true.
And consciousness has to be material because only material can act on material. If consciousness were not material how could it affect us? There, done. (I kid)
"That is what the war is about, keeping God out of the game."
So therefore your war is about keeping god in the game? Why? It's a completely different game to the one being played here.
There is a 'meta-debunking' part to the forum where this sort of discussion might be more applicable, as it doesn't seem to be about specific events or facts but 'meta' approaches to knowing reality.
It (your spiel) does seem to be coming from a fundamentally mutually exclusive place to the one openly being practised here, so again, why would you be here if you disagree so much?
"Folks have been dumping the evidential dirt on this zombie for a couple of hundred years. You could fill a small library with the books that have repeatedly shown it doesn't hold up to even its own standards of evidence. It is not at all supported by the only standard you recognize as valid in all cases--science and reason. That howling irony has been pointed out over and over, but instead of defending against the charge by proving your case, that killshot is routinely breezed by and it's back to the invasion of the Is not/Prove It bots."
Could you make a clear thread showing clearly what exact howling irony has been pointed out over and over because, sorry, but it still eludes me.