Dave51c
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I know, sorry it was interpreted it as such. EMF and pacemakers is a thing though.Your sources don't support that.
I know, sorry it was interpreted it as such. EMF and pacemakers is a thing though.Your sources don't support that.
Source: https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...ter-reported-use-anti-drone-laser-2026-02-27/External Quote:Pentagon shoots down government drone in Texas accident, congressional aides say
By David Shepardson
February 26, 20267:11 PM CST
WASHINGTON, Feb 26 (Reuters) - The U.S. military shot down a U.S. government drone with a laser-based anti-drone system, an accident that prompted the Federal Aviation Administration to bar flights on Thursday in an area around Fort Hancock, Texas, congressional aides told Reuters.
The Pentagon did not immediately comment, but the FAA cited "special security reasons" in its notice about the restrictions on the airspace near the Mexican border.
U.S. Representatives Rick Larsen, Bennie Thompson and Andre Carson, top Democrats on committees overseeing aviation and Homeland Security issues, said in a joint statement the Pentagon reportedly shot down a Customs and Border Protection drone, and criticized the lack of coordination.
The lawmakers said they warned months ago that the White House's decision to sidestep a bipartisan proposal to train counter-drone operators and address coordination issues "was a short-sighted idea."
"Now, we're seeing the result of incompetence," the statement said.
Congressional aides told Reuters the Pentagon was believed to have used the high-energy laser system to shoot down the CBP drone near the Mexican border, in an area that often has incursions from Mexican drones used by drug cartels. CBP and the White House did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Source: https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...ter-reported-use-anti-drone-laser-2026-02-27/External Quote:The Pentagon, Federal Aviation Administration and Customs and Border Protection issued a statement saying the military used a "counter-unmanned aircraft system ... to mitigate a seemingly threatening unmanned aerial system operating within military airspace."
The statement added that the incident "took place far away from populated areas and there were no commercial aircraft in the vicinity. These agencies will continue to work on increased cooperation and communication to prevent such incidents in the future."
External Quote:Ranking Members Larsen, Thompson and Carson
Statement After DOD Reportedly Shot Down CBP Drone
"Our heads are exploding over the news that DoD reportedly shot down a Customs and Border Protection drone using a high risk counter-unmanned aircraft system.
We said MONTHS ago that the White House's decision to sidestep a bipartisan, tri-committee bill to appropriately train C-UAS operators and address the lack of coordination between the Pentagon, DHS and the FAA was a short-sighted idea.
Now, we're seeing the result of its incompetence."
It was me! My badTrans community?
Where will the blame eventually fall?
Sorry if it upset you, but I took your post as a joke. The notion that "advanced laser weapons" should be the standard approach toward a simple balloon struck me as being a ludicrous overkill.
A far better weapon, less likely to hit something unintentionally? So why is it that we have had two large chunks of air space shut down over the last couple of weeks?Ignoring whether or not balloons are worth shooting down, lasers do seem like they'd be a far better weapon for that purpose than missiles or guns. Cheaper to fire and less likely to hit something you don't intend to.
Lasers to take down a drone are not the same as the laser pointers the cats chase. Precautions must be guaranteed, and anything that might affect civilian air safety needs a LOT of precautions.This sounds like the FAA thought the military was using their lasers without adequate safeguards (and accidentally shooting down balloons), so they just shut down the airspace until the military agreed to stop.
Unless the thing you intend to hit is a misidentified civilian aircraft, like most of the 'drones' seen and filmed by witnesses in the last two years.Cheaper to fire and less likely to hit something you don't intend to.
I don't see how.Unless the thing you intend to hit is a misidentified civilian aircraft, like most of the 'drones' seen and filmed by witnesses in the last two years.
Firing a weapons laser at a civilian aircraft may not damage that aircraft significantly, but it could seriously inconvenience the pilot.
I don't see how.
https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/lasers/lawsExternal Quote:
Laser strikes on aircraft remain a serious threat to aviation safety. Intentionally aiming lasers at aircrafts poses a safety threat to pilots and violates federal law. Many high-powered lasers can incapacitate pilots flying aircraft that may be carrying hundreds of passengers.
The FAA works closely with federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to pursue civil and criminal penalties against people who purposely aim a laser at an aircraft.
just because the drone is allegedly border control doesn't mean the military is going to tolerate a drone in their space. Border control agents could sell information to the tabloids or China too.This time, though, the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing and neither one is letting the brain know before they start setting off fireworks.
The /s was implied… guess my sense of humor missed the mark.https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/lasers/lawsExternal Quote:
Laser strikes on aircraft remain a serious threat to aviation safety. Intentionally aiming lasers at aircrafts poses a safety threat to pilots and violates federal law. Many high-powered lasers can incapacitate pilots flying aircraft that may be carrying hundreds of passengers.
The FAA works closely with federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to pursue civil and criminal penalties against people who purposely aim a laser at an aircraft.
A laser can blind a pilot, for starters. That's more than an "inconvenience".
Cons:Ignoring whether or not balloons are worth shooting down, lasers do seem like they'd be a far better weapon for that purpose than missiles or guns. Cheaper to fire and less likely to hit something you don't intend to.
That depends a lot on atmospheric conditions, doesn't it? A laser beam attenuates rather quickly if the air is cloudy or dusty. In desert areas it's more likely to be dusty, especially if there's any wind, and massive dust storms have been known to sweep through the region with long-lasting dust hanging in the air after the wind stops. I had to drive at five miles an hour for miles one time when traveling between White Sands and El Paso, in a long line of cars that could only see the lights of the car ahead from a very close distance.Pros:
- not altitude-limited
Yes. Altitude is not an atmospheric condition, however, and since the air at altitude is less dense and less polluted, altitude makes less of a difference for a laser than it does for anything ballistic or with wings.That depends a lot on atmospheric conditions, doesn't it?
Unless the thing you intend to hit is a misidentified civilian aircraft, like most of the 'drones' seen and filmed by witnesses in the last two years.
ATC tends to route civilian aircraft around any war zones where anti-air weaponry is deployed. (Recent examples include Ukraine, Venezuela, and Iran.) That laser qualifies as anti-air weaponry; so the FAA keeps air traffic away from it.To be honest, I don't understand what the "unless" is supposed to mean. Misidentifying a civilian aircraft and firing on it, even if it doesn't destroy it, is certainly a problem and that's why I believe they've shut down the airspace. They are being reckless and sloppy with identification and deconfliction and you can't shoot down a civilian aircraft if there are none above you. But that's not a problem with the weapon system.
If CBP doesn't tell them ahead of time, the military has no way to tell who owns the drone that an Air Defense crew is looking at. Drones don't come with IFF transponders and most are built on roughly the same architectures. They literally all look pretty much alike.just because the drone is allegedly border control doesn't mean the military is going to tolerate a drone in their space. Border control agents could sell information to the tabloids or China too.
and it's literally legal to fly a drone there unless the airspace has been closed.If CBP doesn't tell them ahead of time, the military has no way to tell who owns the drone that an Air Defense crew is looking at.
The problem is that lasers are more likely to hit their target, whether they are 100 metres way or 10 kilometres. Several attempts have been made to shoot down 'drones' seen in Denmark and elsewhere, in the mistaken belief they were nearby and in range of a rifle or other ballistic weapon; in most cases these 'drones' were misidentified (friendly) civilian aircraft, and the ballistic weapons had no chance of reaching them.I don't understand why the laser is considered the problem and not the recklessness of unscheduled weapons testing, or the incompetence of misidentifying a border patrol drone as a cartel's smuggling balloon.
The problem is that lasers are more likely to hit their target, whether they are 100 metres way or 10 kilometres. Several attempts have been made to shoot down 'drones' seen in Denmark and elsewhere, in the mistaken belief they were nearby and in range of a rifle or other ballistic weapon; in most cases these 'drones' were misidentified (friendly) civilian aircraft, and the ballistic weapons had no chance of reaching them.
However a laser beam follows a geodesic path rather than a ballistic one, and if you aim a weapons-grade laser at a distant plane you will have a good chance of hitting it and distracting or blinding the aircrew.
you might have missed Monkee Sage updated his original postand it's literally legal to fly a drone there unless the airspace has been closed.
Edit: The above article was updated 1 hour ago and now includes the following:
The Pentagon, Federal Aviation Administration and Customs and Border Protection issued a statement saying the military used a "counter-unmanned aircraft system ... to mitigate a seemingly threatening unmanned aerial system operating within military airspace."
The statement added that the incident "took place far away from populated areas and there were no commercial aircraft in the vicinity. These agencies will continue to work on increased cooperation and communication to prevent such incidents in the future."
apparently there was concern with some City of El Paso drones last september also. (but doesnt sound like they were shot down, article says "near" the military base)If CBP doesn't tell them ahead of time, the military has no way to tell who owns the drone that an Air Defense crew is looking at. Drones don't come with IFF transponders and most are built on roughly the same architectures. They literally all look pretty much alike.
Article: Fort Bliss unaware of El Paso's use of foreign drones near base, assessing potential risks
In a statement shared to El Paso Matters, Fort Bliss said:
"Fort Bliss was not made aware in advance of the City of El Paso's use of foreign-manufactured drones around or near the installation. The installation takes all potential security concerns seriously and is assessing any potential risks associated with unmanned aerial systems operating in close proximity to the base. Fort Bliss maintains a positive and productive relationship with local officials and the City of El Paso to address matters of mutual concern.
apparently there was concern with some City of El Paso drones last september also. (but doesnt sound like they were shot down, article says "near" the military base)
Article: Fort Bliss unaware of El Paso's use of foreign drones near base, assessing potential risks
In a statement shared to El Paso Matters, Fort Bliss said:
"Fort Bliss was not made aware in advance of the City of El Paso's use of foreign-manufactured drones around or near the installation. The installation takes all potential security concerns seriously and is assessing any potential risks associated with unmanned aerial systems operating in close proximity to the base. Fort Bliss maintains a positive and productive relationship with local officials and the City of El Paso to address matters of mutual concern.
Sounds like someone just trying to generate a headline.
- How near was "near"?
- Who was quoted as "expressing concern?"
- What specific risks would being "near" Ft Bliss create?
- In that ligth the response from Ft Bliss should be read as "didn't know, don't care."
It's remarkably free of specifics for an official statement.what? the Fort Bliss statement is right there for you to read. Sounds to me like they care.
I'm confused how you can read their statement and still ask those questions.
This sort of statement is almost entirely boiler-plate. They denied knowledge of the event, added an entirely generic statement on base security policy, and made no mention of changes or follow up resulting from the report.what? the Fort Bliss statement is right there for you to read. Sounds to me like they care.
I'm confused how you can read their statement and still ask those questions.
no they didnt. Reread it more carefully.They denied knowledge of the event
(but this does explain the responses and reactions of the same group in other threads... so now i know).so I can't see that anyone is losing sleep over this.
the follow up is discussing the issue with officials from the City. ???follow up resulting from the report.
no they didnt. Reread it more carefully.
(but this does explain the responses and reactions of the same group in other threads... so now i know).
the follow up is discussing the issue with officials from the City. ???
it doesnt matter, either people understand military and police procedures or they dont.
External Quote:
Fort Bliss unaware of El Paso's use of foreign drones near base, assessing potential risks
i agree. but they were still concerned apparently with drones in "close proximity" to their [military] airspace.I think the term "foreign drones", and "foreign-manufactured drones" in the subsequent article, are a bit silly.
i agree. but they were still concerned apparently with drones in "close proximity" to their [military] airspace.
that was the only point of linking the article. jeesh i post a link to back up GARY's claim with no evidence and everybody freaks out on the asteroid.
I get it. MILITARY BAD. LAW ENFORCEMENT BAD. can we move on now?
kfox is not Fox News. you know that right? are you american?No. And No.
Sensationalist journalism BAD. Supporting sensationalist journalism, counter productive.
You are aware that 'sensationalism sells' is not limited to one brand or media outlet. Right?kfox is not Fox News. you know that right? are you american?
my article backs up your original claim. period. twist it however your bias needs to.You are aware that 'sensationalism sells' is not limited to one brand or media outlet. Right?
You are aware of the American idiom "nothing burger" are you not?
Article: Fort Bliss officials didn't know the city of El Paso was operating Chinese-made drones adjacent to the post, and the post is "assessing any potential risks" from the program, officials said in a statement to El Paso Matters.
"Fort Bliss was not made aware in advance of the City of El Paso's use of foreign-manufactured drones around or near the installation. T
Well they wouldn't if the NSA had backdoors into all American-made drones.If a serious state-sponsored actor were conducting espionage within the US using drones, and foreign-made drones were selectively banned from some areas or attracted greater suspicion, they'd use American-made drones.
and looking up if Fort Bliss and el Paso worked it out... (spoiler alert : sounds like they did).. an article from December 2025 says the Feds DID ban all new foreign dronesWell they wouldn't if the NSA had backdoors into all American-made drones.![]()
Article: The city of El Paso's drone program could be grounded from expansion under a new federal rule that blocks the sale of new foreign-made drones – including those produced by China-based DJI, the city's supplier.
The Federal Communications Commission on Monday said it will ban new models of foreign-made drones from entering the U.S. market, stating that while the aircraft can enhance public safety, criminals and terrorists "can use them to present new and serious threats to our homeland." The move follows a mandate in last year's federal defense bill requiring a national security review of Chinese-made drones.
The FCC's decision effectively prevents U.S. cities, agencies and private operators from purchasing or importing new drones produced in foreign countries, according to an FCC fact sheet.