Ryan Graves Op Ed on UAP

NorCal Dave

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Saw this today, I'm not sure if it would go here or under its own thread. I know some people still hold that the "GIMBAL" video is unusual, even if Mick and others have shown the object is not exhibiting incredible flight characteristics, based largely on Ryan Grave's description of the event. He has written an OpEd that appeared on the The Hill and references the UAP report. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-the-truth-to-the-american-people/ar-AA1780fA

Interesting, is his claim that, besides GIMBAL, UAPs are common, and he and others have seen lots of them (bold by me):

As a former U.S. Navy F/A-18 fighter pilot who witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) on a regular basis, let me be clear.
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Objects demonstrating extreme capabilities routinely fly over our military facilities and training ranges.
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There were 50 or 60 people who flew with me in 2014-2015 and could tell you they saw UAP every day.
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He then offers his assessment of the UAP report (bold by me):

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) last week published its second ever report on UAP activity. While the unclassified version is brief, its findings are sobering. Over the past year, the government has collected hundreds of new reports of enigmatic objects from military pilots and sensor systems that cannot be identified and “represent a hazard to flight safety.” The report also preserves last year’s review of the 26-year reporting period that some UAP may represent advanced technology, noting “unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities.
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And the congressional briefing from May:

Last May, the House Intelligence Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation Subcommittee held the first UAP hearing in over 50 years. Intelligence officials testified that there were more than 400 reports of UAP, often tracked simultaneously by trained observers and multiple sensor systems, demonstrating technology that our military does not understand. Congress was briefed that incidents exist where there is sufficient data from pilots and sensors, but the case defies conventional explanation.
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Part of the OpEd that had me scratching my head was this line (bold by me):

As a result, the 2023 NDAA requires an audit of all government involvement in UAP since 1945, (which coincides with the Trinity incident).
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Is Graves really touting The Trinity Incident? As I noted back in post #16, Jaques Vallee claims that DC friends of his were involved in getting the dates changed because of his compelling book on Trinity:

'I was not involved in the drafting of the legislation, but several of my DC friends were, and they got the date of the investigation pushed back to 1945,' Vallée told DailyMail.com.

'Several of the Congressmen involved have the book that Paola Harris and I wrote about our research at (the alleged crash site called) Trinity.'
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...1945-crash-mysterious-avocado-shaped-UFO.html

The Trintiy Incident is a supposed UAP crash that happened in New Mexico in 1945. Vallee's self-published book about it relies almost entirely on the witness testimony of a few 85+ year old guys trying to remember what they saw some 70+ years ago, along with some bits of junk that Vallee believes is from the crashed UAP. He's still awaiting analysis of said junk as far as I know.

Jason Colavito has a good review of the book with this basic summary:

The San Antonio crash story is rather unbelievable, even by UFO standards. According to the most common version of the story, Jose Padilla and Reme Baca, then aged 9 and 7, witnessed a nearly thirty-foot-long spacecraft crash into the desert. They ran to the crash site and saw two little men emerge and begin running about in a panic. One of the boys took a piece of debris from the crash site. Then, the U.S. Army arrived, built a road out to the crash site, and retrieved the spaceship. The boys never knew what became of the little men from inside the ship.
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I know a lot of people put a lot of trust in what Graves says and I'm not trying to disparage him in any way, but the Trinty Incident?
 
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Graves has long claimed that they saw "these things" on the regular, I'm pretty sure these repeated events is where the "cube in a sphere" UAP description comes from.

Some people put trust in what Graves says, but if people are/were seeing these things regular then where's the evidence (classified of course, apart from the part where you can talk about it all you want.)

In my opinion, which I hasten to add is not necessarily the same as the opinion of Mick West or Metabunk, Graves says a lot of 'appeal to to his own authority' stuff on UAP / Gimbal specifically which we've tried to honestly analyse (the fleet on the SA in GIMBAL.) Given he directly flew the aircraft and used the systems that recorded GIMBAL et al, he should be a good person to analyse the footage. But we never see or get any real technical analysis that could be properly reviewed. At the nitty gritty hard edge of the analysis he gets woolly. Only communicates over twitter, no long form analysis.

At the end of it it is still his own words and excellent and qualified Navy pilots can fall down rabbit holes as well.

It's also worth mentioning that my understanding is that Ryan Graves is now a member of / consultant for private organisations that seemingly look to be trying to make money from UAP potentially as part of the in/out grift cycle that's seemingly been a part of government UAP/UFO stuff since Bigelow.

He works for Quantum Generative Materials (GenMat)

https://www.genmat.xyz/team-partners

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Founded by Deep Prasad, who is also a UFO enthusiast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/citd-deep-prasad-preview/id1511121397?i=1000516808734
Appearance on a UFO podcast talking about UAP


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAou_h1POWs

Interview with mentions of UAP
 
along with some bits of junk that Vallee believes is from the crashed UAP. He's still awaiting analysis of said junk as far as I know.
The analysis report is on the black vault: https://www.theblackvault.com/casef...object-san-antonio-new-mexico-august-16-1945/

Conclusions:
●The two metal samples have identical compositions. They are aluminum primarily alloyed to copper and silicon. Small amounts of other elements are present. This composition is known and compares with cast aluminum in the 3XX.X series (possibilities: 301, 302, 308, 318, 319, 320, 328 322) and the 2XX.X series (possibilities: 208, 222, 238, 296).
●These alloys have a wide variety of uses. Some include: engine crankcases, gas and oil tanks, engine oil pans, typewriter frames, and engine parts. ●Isotopic ratios determined for nickel, copper and zinc compare to terrestrial values.
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In other words, out of this world the materials are not.
Curious some people keep hanging on to the idea they have been brought here by ufos. Including Ryan, which makes my opinion on him a bit skewed..
 
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Thanks Itsme, guess I didn't dig deep enough. So, Vallee's UAP material is likely from car parts or an engine. I supposed something has to make it fly, why not a big 'ol V8?

I'll note on this picture it sure looks like threads, where part of this was drilled and then tapped to receive a bolt of some sort. One might even be able to determine if they are 24 (coarse) or 32 (fine) threads. Did they not notice this before claiming it might be alien and having it tested? Maybe Vallee is so cerebral and ethereal that mundane things like this are beyond him. Or perhaps they think alien intergalactic FTL UAPs are actually held together with nuts and bolts.

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He works for Quantum Generative Materials (GenMat)

After just the intro to the video, it seems Graves' new boss is a 26 year old guy who describes himself as (bold by me):

He graduated in 2018 from the University of Toronto with a degree in industrial engineering, and is considered one of the greatest quantum physicists of his generation.
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https://www.genmat.xyz/team-partners/deep-prasad

The video also refers to him as:

"The master quantum Chef" 02:08

His plan is:

"using hundreds of instances of optical radar and inferred detection of UFOs" 00:38 from the DOD

To look for:

"Wholey new physics, not just new engineering" 00:59

And:

"UFOs engaging in quantum macroscopic behavior" 01:16

To explain UAPs. And he's doing this with a quantum computer. Maybe.
 
It's also worth mentioning that my understanding is that Ryan Graves is now a member of / consultant for private organisations that seemingly look to be trying to make money from UAP potentially as part of the in/out grift cycle that's seemingly been a part of government UAP/UFO stuff since Bigelow.

He works for Quantum Generative Materials (GenMat)
He seems to be no longer at GenMat, but is instead the CEO of a new startup called "Merged Point," which seems to be a more UAP-focussed version of GenMat. It has a podcast, hosted by Graves, called "merged"

Article:
The existence of UAP is no longer in question. Our modern-day tools of war prove this to us. Further understanding requires us to tune our instruments for the task.

With new sensors come new data. Unprecedented advancements in Machine Intelligence assisted scientific discovery are poised to radically advance our scientific velocity.

MERGED POINT will make targeted investments into sensing & AI technologies that enable data driven understanding of UAP.


This is a freshly minted company, and the website is rather sparse, as is the social media presence, which seems to have been created by an SEO company (likely SEO Capital Ventures - the CEO's profile being used as a test "friend" on an otherwise empty page)2023-02-06_07-59-43.jpg

In a strange series of connections, that friend, Shelly Herrara-oneal, also posts on the Chris Mellon facebook group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/chriskmellon/posts/734356240913770/
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That group is run by two accounts, a "Christopher K. Mellon" and a "Carola Tripodo" (an Italian UFOlogist). IN May 2022, the Mellon FB account reposted a tweet by Chris Mellon's verified Twitter account that said the Facebook account was fake.
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Christopher K. Mellon
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Apparently, on other platforms (i.e. Facebook), people have created credible-looking fake accounts and are pretending to post and speak for me. I only post on Twitter and through my personal website— the rest are fake.
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According to LinkedIn, Merged Point was founded by Ryan Graves, Mark Troncale, Bryan Ingram, and John Fyke,

Bryan Ingram is also the CEO of "MAD Energy Power Systems"
Article:
CEO, MAD Energy Power Systems
MAD Energy · Full-time
Sep 2022 - Present · 6 mos
United States
Exclusive power supplier to next generation quantum data pod company Adacen


Which seems originally to be a Crypto-related speculative startup.
Article:
Make A Difference Ventures

MAD is launching a security token that will be the power behind their proven clean energy technologies, transforming the planet by eliminating GHG emissions creating a carbon-free future.

Industries: Sustainability
Headquarters:
Sandpoint, United States
Stage: Debt Financing


Their sole mentioned customer there is Adacen, which seems on the face of it to be a datacenter with a terrible website, and known only for partnership with Submer (a liquid immersion server cooling technology). But Ingram described it as the "next generation quantum data pod company Adacen"

"Quantum data pod" is a phrase that only exists on Ingram's Linkedin page, but sounds like something Deep Prasad might talk about.

But back to MAD energy: they've evolved a bit, and now list three things they do:
1 - Firebird LNG - an arrangement to build an LNG facility in Suriname, which does not seem to be under construction yet.
2 - Adacen Data Centers - who they "supply" power" to (which they really can't as they don't make power, perhaps just resell it), MAD is a part owner of Adacen. Probably that investment is it only real connection.
3 - R&D projects, which is:
Article:
Quantum Wave Wireless Energy

MAD Energy is working with industry leaders to identify emergent technologies most ready for commercialization to transform the future of energy distribution. Harnessing low-band wave-form technology, the wireless transmission of energy stands to transform the global energy value chain.

Golden Cypher

MAD Energy is supporting the commercialization of next generation quantum resilient encryption technology across multiple sectors, including data security, wireless transmission technology, fintech and industrial, commercial and IoT control.


There's that Quantum buzzword again - "Quantum Wave Wireless Energy" is also an entirely novel phrase. Supposedly "wireless transmission of energy." This all reminds me of V3Solar, which we looked into here, that was claiming power-line transmission of internet (based on eitirely nonsense science) as well as a silly spinning solar cell. https://www.metabunk.org/threads/de...ing-solar-panel-cone-spin-cell-coolspin.1166/

Then I started to watch a video with the founder of MAD, George Wentz,

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2C69axX6Ss


He seems to be presenting a utopian libertarian dream of decentralized power, which seemed to be a weird mixture of solar power, wireless power transmission, hydrogen fuel cells, and using crypto. Towards the end he implies that the Adacen connection is about future power supplies. He also reassures the viewer that they are not a scam.

Their invest page (linked from the YouTube channel) was a crypto token page, the "MAD Token"
https://web.archive.org/web/20220329155940/https://mad.energy/invest/
But now goes to a RegD Investment.

That was a deeper dive than I intended. Back to Grave's Merged Point, one of their three "Areas of Focus" is:
Article:
ADVANCED ENERGY AND PROPULSION SYSTEMS
Unlocking further understanding of UAP will enable radical breakthroughs in our understanding of critical technologies and entirely new fields of science that are currently unknown to us.

MERGED POINT will target investments into technologies that translate these learnings into critical Energy & Transportation technologies needed to create a sustainable and secure future.


The financial viability of this is of course predicated on "UAP" representing radically new technology (possibly ET) and/or representing "entirely new fields of science"

This unfortunately presents something of a perception of conflict of interest. There's now a strong financial incentive to promote UAP, and we should read articles like the one in The Hill as potentially influenced by that incentive.
 
He seems to be no longer at GenMat, but is instead the CEO of a new startup called "Merged Point," which seems to be a more UAP-focussed version of GenMat. It has a podcast, hosted by Graves, called "merged"
Interesting I thought he was in both, there is certainly a tangled mess of pseudo science grifters out there.
 
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"one of the greatest quantum physicists of his generation"

Degree in industrial engineering yet somehow a quantum physicist mhmmm
I was unable to get Google scholar to pull up his publication record, to see what waves he's been making in the quantum field, and who's citing him. Ditto semantic scholar, and other academic search sites. Must be alien hackers preventing those search engines from working.

I've never heard of the guy before, but the sniff test is giving a fairly clear signal already.
 
"one of the greatest quantum physicists of his generation"

Degree in industrial engineering yet somehow a quantum physicist mhmmm
An illustrious beginning to his career, according to U. Toronto:

Deep Prasad is wasting no time.

A first-year undergraduate in the Electrical Engineering program, and fellow of the Engineering faculty’s ambitious Entrepreneurship Hatchery, Prasad could soon be named the “(next) Einstein” – if the popular vote continues to back his concept.
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The "next Einstein" seems like excessive praise for a first-year undergraduate. OK, we get it, he's a smart guy, but a direct read of what the company does or plans to do reads like golden promises backed up by buzzwords meant to impress.
 
Judging by the fact that the only daylight video we've seen of these 'on a regular basis' UAPs was clearly a Batman balloon, I'm not holding my breath over future revelations.
 
An illustrious beginning to his career, according to U. Toronto:

Deep Prasad is wasting no time.

A first-year undergraduate in the Electrical Engineering program, and fellow of the Engineering faculty’s ambitious Entrepreneurship Hatchery, Prasad could soon be named the “(next) Einstein” – if the popular vote continues to back his concept.
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https://www.utoronto.ca/news/could-first-year-undergrad-be-next-einstein

The "next Einstein" seems like excessive praise for a first-year undergraduate. OK, we get it, he's a smart guy, but a direct read of what the company does or plans to do reads like golden promises backed up by buzzwords meant to impress.

The next *Einstein*? Einstein objected repeatedly and vociferously to most of Quantum Theory, anything spookier than photons being discrete. If he's pro-quantum, surely he's the next Heisenberg/Dirac/Hilbert, instead?

Oh, jeebus, I've just read further in your linked page, and all hope for sanity goes out of the window:
What is your (next) Einstein idea?
My idea for the next Einstein competition is based on harnessing energy that is generated by typing. Basically, when you press down on anything with force, that energy can be absorbed and converted to electrical energy.
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This, and all other "extract energy from humans mechanically doing what they just normally do" schemes are almost always utterly nonsensical. This isn't Einstein stuff, this is Charlie Chaplin stuff. If any sizeable quantity of energy will be extracted, which firstly it won't, all you'll do is make humans expend more effort, thus pushing up their water and food requirements, as would a small amount of exercise. And provision of potable water and edible food is far more energy intensive than what can be generated by tapping on keys or walking in piezo-electric trousers (that was from a decade back: https://theconversation.com/smarty-pants-wearable-electronics-will-recharge-your-life-12543 ). Of course an exercise machine can be rigged with a dynamo much more efficiently than any of these small coincidental energy harvesting methods, a tiny amount of actual exercize will achieve far more. This is why Trevor Baylis used honking great springs as his energy store for his wind-up radio - you need to put some proper effort in in order to store up enough energy to run it for an evening. (The sudden release of all that energy once occured in our labs whilst we were doing product development for him, it's a good job nobody's ankles were in the way.) This "Einstein" has simply not done the maths - it's like the idiotic "please unplug the charger from the wall to save electricity" messages that my phone pops up when I unplug its charging cable, the amount saved would never actually amount to anything compared to my overall electricity usage. Fractional savings don't synergise with scale. 300 million keyboards might be able to generate a lot of electricity in total, but it's still only a millionth of what those 300 million typists were burning anyway, and it's utterly pointless to try and make things 0.0001% more efficient (not an outcome he can even guarantee - what are the manufacturing overheads for the extra complexity, is he sure they will even ever break even? I'm not.) when there are much larger fruit on the tree.

C.f. the Wachowskis wasting the chance to do "farm humans by the million for their brainpower" in /The Matrix/, AI being an emergent property benefitting enormously from increased scales, instead doing the nonsensical "use humans as batteries", which can never do anything apart from scale linearly, and therefore be horribly inefficient at all scales.
 
C.f. the Wachowskis wasting the chance to do "farm humans by the million for their brainpower" in /The Matrix/, AI being an emergent property benefitting enormously from increased scales, instead doing the nonsensical "use humans as batteries", which can never do anything apart from scale linearly, and therefore be horribly inefficient at all scales.
IIRC in the original screenplay that was the intended use, i.e. the brain power of the people ran the matrix, someone changed it because they thought it was too hard for audiences to grasp. Not sure if it was specifically the choice directors though or if it was "heavily suggested" by producers.
 
IIRC in the original screenplay that was the intended use, i.e. the brain power of the people ran the matrix, someone changed it because they thought it was too hard for audiences to grasp. Not sure if it was specifically the choice directors though or if it was "heavily suggested" by producers.

Dumb down v.t. (1) to simplify, for ease of understanding out of respect for the audience; (2) to make stupid, out of disdain for the audience.

There's a fine line.
 
I would expect "one of the greatest quantum physicists of his generation" to at least have a Wikipedia article.

I looked at the website for GenMat some more and went down a bit of a rabbit hole, but it's not directly related to Graves OpEd, other than he might have worked there for a bit, so it gets OT.

We could almost use a sub-forum here just on the "fake it till you make it" and the "cult of personality" phenomenon in business. With Larry Ellison (Oracle), who pulled it off and people like Elizibeth Holms (Therenos), Ruja Ignatova (OneCoin), who didn't, or Adam Newman (WeWork) and Charlie Javice (Frank), who did it for a while.
 
@NorCal Dave

You must then also enjoy the videos from Thunderf00t, over on youtube. He is keen on exposing stuff like that.

I've gone from being an avid 'believer' to being tired of the whole subject. If I am honest with myself, there is not a single UFO case....not one...that stands serious scrutiny. It becomes increasingly clear that the reason there is no 'UFO disclosure' is that there is nothing to disclose.
 
I've gone from being an avid 'believer' to being tired of the whole subject. If I am honest with myself, there is not a single UFO case....not one...that stands serious scrutiny. It becomes increasingly clear that the reason there is no 'UFO disclosure' is that there is nothing to disclose.
While I agree with you on the emptiness of UFO claims, Thunderf00t takes on a good many more topics than just that one, so don't write him off.
 
@NorCal Dave

You must then also enjoy the videos from Thunderf00t, over on youtube. He is keen on exposing stuff like that.

A few times, but it's been a while. I tend to get stuff from podcasts and audiobooks as I can listen to these sources while accomplishing other tasks. I've occasionally just listened to YouTube videos, but it is a visual media at heart.
 
I have a question regarding people that do podcasts, websites etc where they push the UFO narrative as being alien or off world. Do you think most of them push the subject matter out of just an interest or from an experience they had first and then became a believer? I'm thinking they always had the interest regardless.
 
I have a question regarding people that do podcasts, websites etc where they push the UFO narrative as being alien or off world. Do you think most of them push the subject matter out of just an interest or from an experience they had first and then became a believer? I'm thinking they always had the interest regardless.
You left out option C, being a UFOlogist for personal attention and/or profit. Belief doesn't really enter into it for this subset.
 
You left out option C, being a UFOlogist for personal attention and/or profit. Belief doesn't really enter into it for this subset.
I'm not so sure about that. I think people that call themselves UFOlogist have a great interest in the subject matter. And also try to make a living at it.
 
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