1. Brian Griffin

    Brian Griffin New Member

    Here is an interesting one.

    I made some stills from the videos where they were showing the passports. I noticed at least two expired passports.

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    The obvious question is: If these are the passports from the passengers on the plane, how could two people have boarded with an invalid passport?
     
  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    There's a variety of possible reasons. I think the most likely explanation is that some people had both their expired passport and their valid passport with them.

    Old passports can contain long term visas still valid for travel in Malaysia, or other eventual destinations (such as the return to the EU).

    http://blogs.usembassy.gov/malaysia/2013/03/29/valid-visa-expired-passport/

    And here's the policy in the US:

    http://travel.state.gov/content/vis...y-asked-questions/about-visas-the-basics.html
    There are other possible reasons.

    For immigration purposes, your expired passport is still an important document as it contains a record of your travel. Some immigration processes require that you present all your old passports. Example:
    http://banjul.usembassy.gov/non-immigrant_visas.html
    Some people travel with an expired passport as a backup ID. I have done this myself. Carry the valid passport on your person, and keep the expired passport in a bag.

    Expired passports are still valid for some uses in some places. People with duel citizenship might keep their old passport for this purpose. Example:
    http://www.travelpal.eu/tourist-wiki/detail/switzerland-visa-information-866
    The passport may have expired while they were out of the country, and they renewed it there, and they simply have the old passport.
     
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  3. Brian Griffin

    Brian Griffin New Member

    I happen to be Dutch and I know for a fact that you are not allowed to have two passports at the same time. In Holland they only punch a hole (actually 3 holes) in your passport as soon as you receive the new one. It is IMPOSSIBLE to travel with a Dutch passport like that!

    I don't know anything about Malaysian passports, or any other passports for that matter so you may still be right. But this does not work for the Dutch passport.
     
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  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I've extended my answer above with info about VIOPP (Visa in old passport). Note the passports in the video are just cover clipped, or with a hole in the corner or side, so visas would be undamage.
     
  5. Brian Griffin

    Brian Griffin New Member

    Thanks, that is a plausible explanation.
     
  6. BombDr

    BombDr Senior Member

    As Mick has already noted, my ex-girlfriend is Fijian and she had a visa for Germany (we are both in the British Army), visa for NZ and Australia, visa for the US and unrestricted leave to stay for the UK. In her case the old and new passports were stapled together.

    As an O/T aside, she had a special page just for her name, as her surname is 34 letters long and didn't fit on the normal name page.
     
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  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Another point the conspiracy theorists and/or hoaxer raise is that the passports are "pristine" or in "perfect condition".

    This is nonsensical. For a start it's based on a video showing maybe 20 passports. There were 200 people on the plane. There were also very large segments of the plane that fell without burning. Large amounts of luggage that fell relatively undamaged. Many, if not most, people put their passport in their carry-on bag, or in the seat-back pocket. You would not expect much damage to a passport in that case. You only have to look at the various bits of luggage around the crash site to realize this:
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  8. BombDr

    BombDr Senior Member


    Isn't it amazing how the debris organises itself into photogenic piles after falling from the sky?

    I am quite appalled that the media don't seem to see contaminating a crime scene to be a problem, if the story comes first....
     
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  9. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

    I was shocked seeing the early coverage with the reporters walking admist the wreckage and picking pieces up.
     
  10. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

    As an airline crew member who operates into the US, I am required to get a special visa. It is in my old expired passport, yet it is still valid for entry into the US. There would be many such arrangements regarding visas around the world.
     
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  11. Brian Griffin

    Brian Griffin New Member

    Thanks for all your thoughts! The whole thing just felt strange to me, because whenever I get I new passport they cripple the old one. Never thought about those Visa stamps.
     
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  12. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    And visas are often more involved that just a stamp. Here's my old UK passport, which has a couple of full page visas, including my original work visa which was valid for three years.
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  13. RFMarine

    RFMarine Member

    I always have my old passport with me, i'm from a third world country. why? because It just so happens my US visa is on the old passport. The us visa is valid for a few years and the passport is valid for a few years and it just so happened that the us visa was renewed when my passport was a couple of years from expiring. So I have no choice

    the old passport is of course punched with holes
     
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