1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

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    The recent release of many documents relating the the investigation of the JFK assassination has shed a little more light on some old situations. One such document from 1962 described how the US might acquire or manufacture some Soviet MiG aircraft. Several uses for these planes were listed, and one such was as false flag operation, where the US would pretend to be under attack in order to justify "U.S. Intervention".

    Russia Today (RT) picked up on this mention and wrote about it:
    https://www.rt.com/usa/410636-jfk-false-flag-ussr/
    Do they though? Even if we only look at this document, a brief mention of a possible kind of usage is not the same thing as a plot. Secondly there's no mention of starting a war with the USSR (The Soviet Union, basically Russia), the purpose of the posited fake attack was "to provide an excuse for U.S. intervention.

    Intervention in what? There's really only two possibilities in 1962. Firstly there's Vietnam, where the US was already involved with 12,000 "military advisors". But there was no immediate desire for military intervention in North Vietnam in 1962. That did not happen until 1964, after the trumped up second Gulf of Tonkin incident was used as a pretext.

    The actual intervention being discussed here is Cuba. At that exact time in 1962 the US Joint Chiefs of Staff were looking for excuses (pretexts) to invade Cuba. They went as far as drawing up a list of possible fake pretexts, false flags, that might be used. This was the infamous "Operation Northwoods" document, which was drawn up, and then rejected. The Northwoods document was made public in 1997, again as part of various JFK related releases. It contains the "plan" for the use of fake MiGs

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    The newly released document is less optimistic about this timeline, saying more like 6-12 months.

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    RT make another claim to back up their headline:
    However that does not really match what's in the book. Dallek says on Page 656:
    Far from supporting the idea of wanting a war with the USSR, we see the reason given here as "the possibility of divorcing the Cuban government from its support of Sino-Soviet Communist purposes" - i.e. making Cuba less communistic. And far from being a plan, Dallek says this was a "ludicrous" scheme
    that was ignored by the White House.

    So why am I saying this is "debunked"? Well the claim here is that there was a plan to start a war with the Soviet Union. There was not. There was a desire by some elements in the US government to intervene militarily in Cuba. There were various (often ludicrous) ideas on how to do this, but none of them ever rose to the level of a "plan" before being rejected. The US wanted to unseat Castro's communist regime in Cuba much like how they wanted to unseat the North Vietnamese communists. But they did not want full scale war with the USSR - the specter of Mutually Assured Destruction with nuclear weapons was enough to prevent that.
     

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  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It's also worth noting that the US has fake Russian planes now. They are used as "Aggressor Squadrons", pretending to be Russians or Chinese, for practice.
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    https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-u...hter-jets-for-false-flag-2014-training.t8018/
    "Aggressor" jets, tanks, and even soldiers have been a common feature of the US Military for decades. Here's a New York Times article from 1988:
    http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/17/magazine/americ-s-red-army.html?pagewanted=all