1. Nathan Folks

    Nathan Folks New Member

    Are you saying the police would have a controlled explosion and report it to Boston Globe after someone just died and was injured on the sidewalk. After a terrorist attack they would continue their controlled explosions with Bomb Squad activities. Wow! Thats pretty insensitive. Something is obviously wrong here. From the way the tweet was written it is obvious it was before any terrorist attack. If you guys cannot see this well then I guess you will just have to keep watching for more evidence that will help you see the truth of this fraud that has taken place.
     
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  2. Nathan Folks

    Nathan Folks New Member

    I think the judge will be too focused on my proof of the crisis actors and their real names. Maybe even the proof of their military experience and how they really had their limbs blown off. Boston Strong!
     
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  3. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    And another example from this year explaining the "controlled explosion" thing:

    http://www.itv.com/news/london/stor...-after-controlled-explosion-at-luton-airport/

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    Something suspicious is found, the bomb squad are called, and it is then blown up. In this case almost four hours after the initial alert.

    If two bombs have already gone off, and something suspicious is found, it is going to be blown up in a controlled explosion. Why is this apparently so hard to understand?
     
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  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Did you miss the definition of controlled explosion?

    So it's exactly what you would expect an hour after a terrorist attack.
     
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  5. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    No. The controlled explosion was because of the terrorist attack!

    Two bombs have already gone off. The police are now looking to see if there are any others. If they find any more suspicious looking bags, they will blow them up. That is what a controlled explosion is.

    And they are alerting the media so that nobody thinks it is another uncontrolled bomb. Got it?
     
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  6. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    Well...you keep promising mountains of secret evidence :p...no way for us to address secrets here, of course.

    The one "public" big important tweet piece of evidence turned out to be kind of a dud...
    so, you'll totally understand if I am quite doubtful re. your "case."
    (Honestly, if we were wagering, my money would be on your friends talking you out of a losing, embarrassing debacle)
     
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  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Let's try to stick to the tweet. Can you provide any evidence that the Wikipedia definition of controlled explosions is wrong? Can you find a single instance of the phrase being used to indicate a "drill"?

    Can you provide any actual evidence of anything regarding this tweet? Anything other than flat assertions on your part?
     
  8. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    2 bombs just went off. i would assume Bomb Squad activities would be trying to make sure there were no more bombs, and dealing with anything they found. This might include a controlled demolition of a suspect bag.
    What make YOU think this means it is referring to a drill? is there ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER, except this tweet (which is not evidence of any such thing) that there was a drill in the area on that day?

    Would the police report it to the Boston Globe? Probably not. Would a Boston Globe reporter be somewhere around the area to report on THE BOSTON MARATHON, and especially after bombs went off, to report on that? I think that is a distinct possibility and they could easily report back to headquarters if they don't have access to tweet directly from the ground.
     
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  9. Nathan Folks

    Nathan Folks New Member

    "AS A PART OF BOMB SQUAD ACTIVITIES" This was a controlled explosion and a drill. What does the word activities mean to you? Terrorist attack? Bomb scare? Or controlled DRILL?
     
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  10. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    While this thread started out as a general Nathan Folks thread, I'd like to limit future discussioin to just this tweet Nathan claimed as key evidence. Untill that is addressed one way or the other, please don't bring up new topics, or respond to new topics.

    If you really want to discuss some new claim, start a new thread, or PM someone directly.

    Otherwise this is just going t degenerate into a litany of unsubstantiated claims.
     
  11. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    Part of bomb squad activities would be exploding suspect packages IMO. A controlled explosion COULD be a drill - I imagine they do train for it.

    but when they have a "real" suspicious package it is not a drill - it is now about removing the risk from that package - it is "real life".
     
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  12. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It means things that the bomb squad is doing. Activities. An hour after the bombings.

    And again, are you just ignoring what "controlled explosion" means.

    Please back up ANYTHING you are saying about this tweet with a link to supporting evidence.
     
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  13. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    Think about your claim for a moment, since you say the Tweet is really important.

    We know that hundreds of people re-tweeted it.

    So, if your new timeline (with that tweet happening an hour earlier than the record shows) were true,
    then there would be literally hundreds of people whose Twitter feed would have records of this
    earlier time, right? Well, of course you've already thought this through and wouldn't walk into
    court without an armload of this "early" re-tweets, right?
     
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  14. Nathan Folks

    Nathan Folks New Member

    If I was going to court over a tweet I would be in trouble because Tweets and these electronic devices can all be manipulated. I could be wrong about the time of the tweet. I don't believe I am but I am not wrong about the people behind this fake event and the proof I have will hold up in court.
     
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  15. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    The MAIN Activity for the bomb squad is to dispose of bombs, and anything suspicious that might BE a bomb.

    Drills are how they practice for their MAIN activity.

    You keep asserting this was a drill but you have produced nothing to back it up. Controlled explosion is a standard term for disposing of a bomb or a suspected bomb safely. The tweet appears to have been sent AFTER the explosions.

    You haven't provided ANYTHING to show there was actually a drill on that day, OR that the Twitter timeline was altered.

    It looks to ME, as though you wanted to show this had been a false flag attack, and jumped on this tweet, assuming it meant drill because that's what you wanted to believe. Other people showing you that your assertion is quite possibly wrong as made you get all defensive and simply repeat "It's a drill" but with nothing to back it up. people here have shown you EXACTLY why they think otherwise. Because the twitter timeline has actually shown your assertion is almost certainly wrong, you have to attack that and try and claim it has been altered. There is no proof of this.
     
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  16. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    So you admit this tweet is not evidence of anything?

    If not, then what is it evidence of, and why?
     
  17. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    I think Mick deleted that from a previous post to try to keep things on track - please do the same :)
     
  18. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Also, @Nathan Folks, please clarify you understand what the meaning of controlled explosion here (in the tweet), with a source for any alternate meaning to "blowing up suspicious packages".
     
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  19. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    Right oh - I look forward to seeing this.
     
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  20. Nathan Folks

    Nathan Folks New Member

    Is that like others asserting that I'm am trying to make money off this in some way? When people start accusing others because usually is they are angry I understand, it's very upsetting our government has done this, but I actually know personally people involved in this fraud. I've worked with the Boston hero and his wife. I know the publicist hired to help them the day of the event. I mentioned the tweet as a first clue but that is far from the evidence that exists of this event being a drill. Please try and be understanding that my knowledge is only because of my inside relationships and that there are some things I cannot explain. Does not mean what I do know does not exist and isn't truthful. Thank you.
     
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  21. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    An hour after two bombs have just gone off? The phrase "bomb squad activities" would mean "response to the bombs and checking to make damn sure there aren't any more bombs!".

    I would be astonished if there weren't controlled explosions in the aftermath of such an event.
     
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  22. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    I'll take that bet. :)

    And the tweet was supposed to be some of your best evidence...but yes, probably wise to abandon it.
     
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  23. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Since you can't demonstrate any of this, please don't bring it up. Let's focus on actual evidence.

    Would you agree the tweet is debunked? That it does not constitute usable evidence?
     
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  24. occams rusty scissor

    occams rusty scissor Active Member

    As a police bomb tech (still pretty green, but trained nonetheless), I'm interested to know what exactly you think is part of "bomb squad activities"? Perhaps part of those 'activities' would be detecting/disposing of explosives and suspicious devices?

    If they were to be conducting a drill, where live explosives are to be used, there is no way it would be done in a public forum where numerous bystanders (whether 'actors' or not) are standing virtually on top of a device. There is no way of possibly knowing what potential injury can arise. Having seen the device detonate on television, you can quite plainly see this was not a sim explosive used. An analysis conducted suggested the devices contained black powder, or that black powder was one element used. There is no bomb squad that is going to set off a black powder device next to someone as part of a drill.

    And again - controlled explosion does not equal "drill". It is simply as it sounds, as controlled as it can be, up to and including controlling minimum safe distances for anyone to be nearby, ensuring that if a device does function as a result of being counter charged then risk to personnel and public alike is low. There's a lot that goes into ensuring that a device can be counter charged safely. In a closed in urban environment like Boston, that's going to include not only mitigating intial blast effects and fragmentation, but also secondary effects like reflection and focusing of the blast waves from surrounding buildings which can actually add to the primary wave in some instances and increase its effect. There is also the unknown factor of the net explosive quantity of the device, the stability of the explosives used etc.
     
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  25. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

    We have to wait for a movie to be made? Seriously , this sounds like you have uncovered the crime of the century duping of the public here. Why would you wait to make a movie?
     
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  26. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    He's not making a movie. He's claiming the Boston Bombings were staged with actors, directors, etc. He's claiming he's waiting for his lawsuit.
     
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  27. Redwood

    Redwood Active Member

    Back in the 1970s when I was a student at UCLA we had a march to protest the Vietnam War, down Westwood Blvd. to Wilshire to the Federal Building. The LAPD blew up someone's laundry that he left behind. :D
     
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  28. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

    I'm sorry, I thought he was making a documentary about this. My error. Sorry to have interrupted the tweet posts, I had responded to a comment before the discussion started. Back to the regularly scheduled program.
     
  29. Redwood

    Redwood Active Member

    You'd better be doing more than "filing a class action lawsuit against One Fund Boston"! (Which will be quickly dismissed for lack of standing.) Tsarnaev goes on trial for HIS LIFE next month! Have you contacted his attorneys? Surely, they are interested in this dynamite exculpatory evidence! Really: You could be a hero to the entire world, exonerating a poor boy from the most monstrous frame-up in history, and all that you are doing is filing some silly DOA lawsuit against a third party?
     
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  30. ColtCabana

    ColtCabana Active Member

    Yet, you have failed to provide evidence that this is the case with this particular tweet. The idea of "it could happen, so it obviously did" is only valid if you can provide concrete evidence to support the claim.

    If you have any questions regarding the event, I would be more than happy to provide eyewitness testimony to you via a private message. I've found many people have changed their minds after speaking with me.
     
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  31. Faithless

    Faithless New Member

    @ Nathan Folks
    Putting the tweet and your rather unique take on the definition of a controlled explosion aside..

    I'm interested to hear you explain your comments about live broadcasts, specifically

    • In live footage, “you don’t cut from one scene to another.”
    • The supposedly live TV footage was using an older technology that’s “grainy” instead of the HD (high definition) available in 2013.

    This, as a previous poster has stated, was a multi camera live broadcast of a sporting event. It was being produced and mixed live from a mobile Outside broadcast unit. Looking at coverage from before the bombing there are multiple cuts from cameras either on or near to the finish line, just like every other televised marathon ever. Why would you say that "you don't cut from one scene to another"? This is clearly an incorrect statement. Regarding HD, the event was covered locally by WBZ-TV. Do you know for certain that this company had HD cameras on site?
     
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  32. Hevach

    Hevach Senior Member

    Or the Innocence Project, Amnesty International, the ACLU (maybe even the EFF as social media involvement was so extensive), the Council on American-Islamic Relations...

    This hits human rights on three fronts as well as international relations. There are SO many organizations with SO much money that would take up this fight. Many of which have a history of acting without complete evidence. Just imagine that, if even part of your evidence can sort of hold water, you could mobilize an army of donor backed lawyers to fight your lawsuit for you.
     
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  33. marcus112

    marcus112 Member

    Mr West,...........I'm sorry if I'm not doing this properly,...I don't do this often and I'm not too savvy in this area. With regard to the Boston bombing; There;s a video that clearly shows a lady dumping blood from her purse at the 1st bomb site. There's no mistaking it, nor any explanation for why she would be doing that. It clearing indicates that something is very wrong with the 'event'. There's a lot more, but I'll wait for your response to this comment before continuing. Thank you sir,......
     
  34. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    I'm going to guess that you're talking about the conspiracy theorist's attacks on Sydney Corcoran?

    First, I think you're mistaken...there is no "video" of anyone "clearly" "dumping" blood.
    (unless you have some to offer?)

    Some particularly ugly conspiracy folks have taken some semi-clear photos, created a narrative,
    and told people that they are sure that this woman is a faker...of course, those people say EVERYONE
    was faking, so take that into account. If one is primed to believe such a bizarre narrative, sure, I guess
    you could believe that those pics support it...but I think most rational, objective people would never
    draw such a conclusion if just shown the pics...without being coached on what conspiracy theorists believe is "really" going on...:rolleyes:
     
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  35. BombDr

    BombDr Senior Member

    How did I miss this thread in December??????????????

    Please come back Mr Folks, and explain to me how you think bomb disposal teams should work.....
     
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  36. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    That's not the topic. New topics in new threads please, and have a look at the posting guidelines:
    https://www.metabunk.org/threads/posting-guidelines.2064/
     
  37. ColtCabana

    ColtCabana Active Member

    Still waiting on this. Any update? I'd be more than interested in checking this one out.
     
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  38. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    Waiting, waiting, waiting......
     
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  39. MikeG

    MikeG Senior Member

    All I found since the December 2014 discussion are the same claims repeated in various CT websites. Is there a good way to contact Folks?

    Not that I am exactly holding my breath.
     
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  40. MikeG

    MikeG Senior Member

    NoParty asked you this question back in May. Could you show us the video?

    If we have a common point of reference, then we can start a discussion.
     
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