Posting this in light of the "EMT" claims regarding Jeff Bauman

somnamblst

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The only CT that really set my blood boiling was the claim supposedly written by an EMT that an amputee actor was used to portray the double amputation seen in the iconic photo of Jeff Bauman

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/08/sports/beyond-the-finish-line.html?hp&_r=3&

"Then Bauman saw a flash and heard a bang. Suddenly, he was lying on the sidewalk, dazed and a bit numb. He smelled sulfur. Or was it burning metal? What a firework, he thought. He sat up and saw bodies strewn and a lot of blood. Mahoney was a few feet away. She tried to scoot toward him, but her left leg would not budge. She looked at Bauman, then at his legs, and then back at him. He looked down, then back at her, horrified.

Bauman grabbed what was left of his legs, lay back down and was writhing there when Allan Panter found him. Panter, an emergency room physician from Gainesville, Ga., had been in the crowd, too, but was unharmed. He pulled Bauman from the pile of bodies and placed the loose tissue back into his leg. Bauman screamed.

Panter tied a makeshift tourniquet around his right leg, placed a jacket on him and left Bauman so he could tend to the woman sprawled nearby whose eyes were open and empty....

He had sat up again when a man in a cowboy hat named Carlos Arredondo came bounding toward him. Arredondo had watched the chaos unfold from across the street. He called for help, and a woman came with a wheelchair. He nudged Panter, and they lifted Bauman into the chair, and off Bauman went, Arredondo running by his side.
Then the tourniquet on Bauman’s right leg caught in the wheel and came undone. Arredondo tried holding the tourniquet together, but an emergency medical technician caught up to them and grabbed Bauman’s right leg, applying pressure to slow the bleeding, while Bauman held his left leg up with his hands.
They made it to the medical tent, and Bauman was loaded into an ambulance headed for Boston Medical."
Link to despicable "claims" and screen captures of the so called deception.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/disappearing-gore-from-abc-news-coverage.1415/#post-38014
 
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Oxymoron

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The only CT that really set my blood boiling was the claim supposedly written by an EMT that an amputee actor was used to portray the double amputation seen in the iconic photo of Jeff Bauman

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/08/sports/beyond-the-finish-line.html?hp&_r=3&



Link to despicable "claims" and screen captures of the so called deception.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/disappearing-gore-from-abc-news-coverage.1415/#post-38014
So do you think the quoted nyt account seems accurate?

i.e. "Allan Panter found him. Panter, an emergency room physician from Gainesville, Ga., had been in the crowd, too, but was unharmed."

Are we talking about the same person here?
The emergency room physician; is that the guy in the grey hoody who put his sunglasses on and was then later photographed/videoed laying prone being treated for injuries or is it someone else?


 
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David Fraser

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So do you think the quoted nyt account seems accurate?

i.e. "Allan Panter found him. Panter, an emergency room physician from Gainesville, Ga., had been in the crowd, too, but was unharmed."

Are we talking about the same person here?
The emergency room physician; is that the guy in the grey hoody who put his sunglasses on and was then later photographed/videoed laying prone being treated for injuries or is it someone else?


No thats's not him, this is.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=260525

 
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somnamblst

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No thats's not him, this is.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=260525

That appears to be Jeff Bauman Dr. Panter is crouched in front of. I wonder if the woman with the dark hair lying on her side is his friend Mahoney.


"Bauman, Lawler and Mahoney took a cab to Boylston Street and waded through the crowd, looking for a good spot. Spectators were five and six deep. Lawler and Mahoney wormed their way closer to the street, and Bauman stayed near the back....He was looking for Hurley when a man behind him, about five feet to his right, caught his eye. The man was wearing a dark, heavy coat, sunglasses, a backpack and a baseball cap low and tight on his head. He looked strange. Why was he dressed so warmly on a sunny day? He looked serious, too. And why was he standing so far back? Bauman looked away. He scanned for Hurley again, and then looked back over his right shoulder. The man was gone, but his backpack was there on the sidewalk. Then Bauman saw a flash and heard a bang.

Mahoney was a few feet away. She tried to scoot toward him, but her left leg would not budge. She looked at Bauman, then at his legs, and then back at him. He looked down, then back at her, horrified."
And to another point in the thread titled Disappearing Gore, the explanation for the order Dr. Panter chose for triage.

Panter tied a makeshift tourniquet around his right leg, placed a jacket on him and left Bauman so he could tend to the woman sprawled nearby whose eyes were open and empty.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/08/sports/beyond-the-finish-line.html?hp&_r=4&

Didn't Jeff Bauman have a major role in helping to ID the man wearing the "dark, heavy coat, sunglasses, a backpack and a baseball cap low and tight".

 
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David Fraser

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Didn't Jeff Bauman have a major role in helping to ID the man wearing the "dark, heavy coat, sunglasses, a backpack and a baseball cap low and tight".

I don't know any of the detail involved. I just Googled the doctors name and that image came up.

Like yourself I see red over this sort of conspiracy. There seem to be many commentators that seem to know great deal about fuck all, and certainly have no knowledge about a mass casualty incident. Terrorist incidents also have their own priorities attached given the possibility of secondary devices. Questions like "Why is she on a stretcher when he is bleeding out? Bleeding is the priority" are purely nonsensical. At the end of the day a medic made a call and it really is as simple as that. However the commentator fails to appreciate that there are a number of priorities for which shock and altered mental state are two. You get casualties like that well out of the way. Also triage does not necessarily mean that all casualties are treated in a ranked order. Often you will have crews that are designated to deal with lower priorities as well as purely for evacuation. It is important to remember that a Priority 3 can become a Priority 2 without care and so on. At the end of the day scenes are fluid and dynamic but will work according to the resources available. I found a good PP presentation with how priorities are listed here, for interest, http://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/resources/2794.pdf


I just thought I would add something here if you don't mind, that may be relevant later, or even to controlled detonation theories for 9/11. Conspiracy theorist seem to have a lexicon of jargon they enjoy spilling out like "triage" or "bleeding out" yet very little understanding of injuries resulting from a bomb blast. Primary blast injuries are a change in the pressure during the event and are greatly underestimated. It can be common to find someone dead with no apparent trauma, and Allan Panter mentions such a casualty
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/15/explosions-near-finish-of-boston-marathon/
When viewing Youtube people need to appreciate this rather than just leap to conclusions based on watching Saving Private Ryan.
 

somnamblst

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The claims made in Disappearing Gore, did not pass my skeptic's nose. The claims did not sound like they were written by an EMT. They were clearly not true. Why would CTs lie about expertise.

As a student of photography, I find it laughable that they spend so much time poring over photos, and screen casptures of video, which are evenb worse. The screen captures referenced spanned less than a second.

During the OJ trial the defense claimed the cops were stepping on the evidence. I knew the video used long lenses, because they were not allowed to get close,and the depth of field was constricted. The defense wasn't stupid, they were counting on a jury being unsophisticated on lens length distorting actual space.
 
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