Debunked: Movie producer Nathan Folks claims bombing false flag, Voice of Russia says blood too red

Tobes

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[Link to broken YouTube video removed]


Among this guy's claims are the ideas that the TV coverage did not look like it was a live event.

Also, he claims there's no way Jeff Bauman could have been at the hockey game he was photographed at so soon after he lost his legs.

How would somebody in his line of work be in any position to know these things?
 
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Pete Tar

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Transcript here,
http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_04_28/One-Boston-Fund-key-to-Boston-bombing-hoax-Nathan-Folks-9391/
overview here,
http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/201...than-folks-says-boston-bombings-a-false-flag/
 

wotgorilla

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As Mr. Folks is reported to be in the entertainment business, the statement: In live footage, “you don’t cut from one scene to another.” seems especially glaring. If course you do. Multiple cameras are always used in live broadcasts of sporting events, to my knowledge. In a marathon it would be mandatory. It's such a bizarre claim to make from someone in the business.

All the other ones are stock, and need no comment. There's going to be a certain percentage of CT'ers that are delusional, and struggle to separate fantasy from reality. But, there's an aspect of the BMB CT that appears somewhat unique. There are always claims made of what is seen in photos, structure flying out of the WTC towers seen as the result of explosives by some, and as a consequence of the release of the energy of the collapse by others. But, that's pretty much a matter of interpretation.

Here we have what appears to be mass hallucinations. People are said to be pouring blood on the ground, fitting prosthetics, applying makeup, and it's just not there in the photos. I've had the opportunity to ask people directly if they suspect someone in the photo might have poured blood, for example, or if they see them actually do it, and they affirm the latter.

So, I'm left wondering what the distinction is between imagining seeing something, and a visual hallucination. If the delusion involves impairment of the visual cortex, that would seem to indicate a rather severe mental illness.
 

Mick West

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He's just repeating the entirely specious arguments from personal incredulity that have been brought up before. He offers no actual evidence other than his own opinion.

Example: "the blood is too red". [Edit: this was actually claimed by the interviewer and/or whoever wrote up the article with the transcript]

Compared to what? Yes blood goes dark quickly as it dries, and when you donate blood they take it from a vein, so it's darker, but fresh arterial and capillary blood is bright red.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood#Color




This is not hard to find out. Mr Folks could simply make a small cut in his leg, and bleed out a few spoonfuls of blood onto a similar sidewalk, and have someone photograph it.

His other claims are along the same lines, he makes some claim like the expression on Bauman's face being wrong, or him recovering too quickly. But does not back these up in any way whatsoever. And as noted, in an area where he might actually have some experience - that of camera work, he makes the obviously false claim that live shots never cut away.

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
 
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Soulfly

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Blood is semi-transparent (light can shine through it if spread thin enough) so the surface it collects on can have an effect on the perceived color as well.
 

wotgorilla

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Here's two photos of the same victim. The span of time between the two is likely to be minutes, if even that.





And yet, in the lower photo the blood looks darker. Oxygenation is an obvious factor, but there are others as well. In the lower photo, the shirt of the man to the right appears to have an increased blueish tinge. Digital images have always suffered from tonal issues, and the amount and incidence of reflected light can influence color balance markedly. Add to that the facility to adjust it to one's preference, and it becomes clear that one can't draw any valid conclusions based on the colors seen in photographs.
 

Mick West

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Yes, even if they are taken with the same camera, it will adjust white balance and exposure between shots. Note also you are not looking at the same blood in both shots. In the lower shot most of of the bright blood in the first image is off the bottom right (see the black/blue logos in the sidewalk)

Here's a comparison, unadjusted:


And with the left image adjusted for white balance and exposure

It's quite a subtle difference, but tips it over (in my perception, which is another thing that varies) from red to bright red.
 

Pete Tar

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Anyone know what this is referring to?
 

Mick West

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And of course, if something is in sunlight or not will have a huge influence on the "brightness" of the color. Here's the same object, same exposure, just in and out of the sun:
 

Soulfly

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Anyone know what this is referring to?
I know not of dancing with the stars but one survivor was a professional dancer and lost a foot. She now has a new robot foot to help her dance again. Here is a TED talk about it.
https://www.ted.com/talks/hugh_herr_the_new_bionics_that_let_us_run_climb_and_dance

Skip to 17:00 to see her publicly dance for the first time since losing her lower leg.
 

Josh Heuer

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Anyone know what this is referring to?
They're referring to Adrianne Haslet-Davis.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/adrianne-haslet-davis-boston-marathon-bombing-survivor-dances-again/
She recently performed at a TED conference in Vancouver. Apparently she's going to appear on Dancing With the Stars in the near future.
 

Mick West

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Anyone know what this is referring to?
He's probably conflating Boston victim Haslet-Davis, who lost one leg.


With Amy Purdy on DWTS, who lost her feet 15 years ago.
 

David Fraser

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Can I add that with large blood loss the haemoglobin in deoxygenated blood takes on the oxygen from the air before the blood dries and clots. Not great great deal but often enough to make it brighter.
 

ColtCabana

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As I've stated, my friend works at one of the Boston-area hospitals and dealt with many of the injured victims. If the blood was fake, I'm sure he, as well as the other nurses, would have said something.
 

Nathan Folks

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I never stated the blood was too red. Maybe listen to my interview again. That would be an obvious weak argument. I know actual crisis actors in the event. I know how they produced the event to seem real. It was a Homeland Security drill produced by several production companies. Boston Globe even tweeted the event was a drill. Then retracted later. How can it not be more obvious to the people on this site? I can prove the deception to the American Public on due course.
 

Mick West

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I never stated the blood was too red. Maybe listen to my interview again. That would be an obvious weak argument. I know actual crisis actors in the event.
It seems like you don't mention this in the transcript, but it seems to be a key point in the VOR article about your interview, so understandable how that impression could have been made. Do you agree with any of their caption on the photo:
 

NoParty

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I know actual crisis actors in the event. I know how they produced the event to seem real. It was a Homeland Security drill produced by several production companies. Boston Globe even tweeted the event was a drill. Then retracted later. How can it not be more obvious to the people on this site? I can prove the deception to the American Public on due course.
The evidence you say you have is awesome and convincing--so much good can be done with it!!

Surely you don't intend to keep it all to yourself...it's far too important!!!

Please let me know what you know, so that your conclusions will make sense...
 

Nathan Folks

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I will be releasing soon the production company, the producers, directors and list of real crisis actor names in this Boston Bombing false flag drill/event. It will be in conjunction with the class action lawsuit against One Fund Boston starting next year. All Go fund me accounts set up for these actors are also considered fraud. The amount of money stolen from the American public on this event alone is astonishing. We all should be rioting in the streets over this.
 

NoParty

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I will be releasing soon the production company, the producers, directors and list of real crisis actor names in this Boston Bombing false flag drill/event. It will be in conjunction with the class action lawsuit against One Fund Boston starting next year. All Go fund me accounts set up for these actors are also considered fraud. The amount of money stolen from the American public on this event alone is astonishing. We all should be rioting in the streets over this.
Sorry...I don't mean to sound impatient...
but "the evidence is coming soon...really" is one of those phrases we see as
often as a landlord hears "The check's in the mail."

When exactly? I mean, it's been 20 months so far...surely you're ready for your big reveal! :)
 

Mick West

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I will be releasing soon the production company, the producers, directors and list of real crisis actor names in this Boston Bombing false flag drill/event. It will be in conjunction with the class action lawsuit against One Fund Boston starting next year. All Go fund me accounts set up for these actors are also considered fraud. The amount of money stolen from the American public on this event alone is astonishing. We all should be rioting in the streets over this.
Soon? Until you actually provide such evidence, the only sensible conclusion is that you don't have any. Your arguments seem to be entirely one of personal incredulity.

Thank you for the clarification on the blood too red thing, I'll edit the title, as you did not actually say that. However you are still making extraordinary claims with no actual evidence.
 

NoParty

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I wish I knew exact dates but it will be the beginning of next year when all of the legal claims are complete.
Why in the world would any "legal claims" need to be "complete" before you could reveal the super-secret evidence?

To which legal cases are you referring? Okay, setting aside that peculiar "delay,"
by "the beginning of next year" you're promising to come clean in January?
Or is there some other "legal claim that could push it into February?

Of course, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, and not assume that you have no real evidence
and are just stalling because you don't want everyone to know that you weren't being truthful...
but vague delays for vague reasons don't usually lead to blockbuster reveals...
 

Nathan Folks

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A class action lawsuit is underway and I cannot disclose the pertinent information until advised by my attorney. I am sorry you think I am untruthful and that I would risk my career for something stupid. I think you know there is already overwhelming evidence. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this out. If you watch my recent interview on info wars you will understand what class action suit we are preparing. Soon the world will be able to judge for themselves with all the facts presenting in the system. The court system.
 

Nathan Folks

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Soon? Until you actually provide such evidence, the only sensible conclusion is that you don't have any. Your arguments seem to be entirely one of personal incredulity.

Thank you for the clarification on the blood too red thing, I'll edit the title, as you did not actually say that. However you are still making extraordinary claims with no actual evidence.
I only worked with the Boston hero, know a crisis actor involved and have the exact knowledge of who they worked with, the production company(s) and PR company used to facilitate the fraud. I know most involved and how they pulled it off.

You will be given evidence when it is appropriate. I wouldn't want to jeopardize the case with releasing vital information here before the information is ready to be released. I am sorry.
 

Nathan Folks

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Okay lets take one small piece of evidence that I think that should be the leading piece for you to try and debunk. That evidence is just merely the Boston Globe Tweeting there will be a bomb explosion and drill at the exact location the bomb went off. Please explain if this is a real event wouldn't you like to know who at the Boston Globe is involved in this massacre? Everyone seems to ignore that point. Or why all the press was kept blocks away for only one photographer to be present? Or how about the real paramedics never arrived, the ambulances were parked blocks away not allowed to enter the DHS "Drill" zone. 9/11 tapes confiscated will explain that all of the real first responders were called off because it as a drill. This is all public information that needs to be addressed in this forum. Also, I don't think it was well argued why they kept running people in wheelchairs. We all know that this is not protocol in any scenario. The hard evidence I have will sum up all the answers. These questions should be eating away at everyone questioning the authenticity of this fake event put on by the Dept. of Homeland Security.
 

MikeC

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Okay lets take one small piece of evidence that I think that should be the leading piece for you to try and debunk. That evidence is just merely the Boston Globe Tweeting there will be a bomb explosion and drill at the exact location the bomb went off. Please explain if this is a real event wouldn't you like to know who at the Boston Globe is involved in this massacre? ......
Try using the search before asking - https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-natural-news-boston-controlled-explosion-exercise.1395/
 

Mick West

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That evidence is just merely the Boston Globe Tweeting there will be a bomb explosion and drill at the exact location the bomb went off. Please explain if this is a real event wouldn't you like to know who at the Boston Globe is involved in this massacre? Everyone seems to ignore that point.
So let's stick to this one point Nathan. The "leading piece" of evidence has been discussed in depth and explained. Please explain what you feel is lacking with the linked explanation.
 

Nathan Folks

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If it were a "Real" event and not a "drill" then why wouldn't the defense team use these items in court as defense. It is because the courtroom is just as much a s fraud behind closed doors, its all part of the continued fraud against the American people. It is theater and an act inside the courtroom. No one was killed in this event. Not even the terrorist. The only way we can have a real trial on real fraud is to get thousands of people that understand the fraud being perpetrated against them. My claim will focus on the One Boston Fund.
 

Mick West

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Stick to your claim please Nathan. "Boston Globe Tweeting there will be a bomb explosion and drill at the exact location the bomb went off." do you still think this is correct?
 

Mick West

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Are you suggesting the Tweet didn't exist?
Have you read this post:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-natural-news-boston-controlled-explosion-exercise.1395/

I'm reporducing it here:

"Natural News" claims that there were suspicious exercises on the same day as the Boston Marathon bombings

http://www.naturalnews.com/039926_Boston_marathon_bombing_terrorism.html

No, really, it's not. The Library is directly opposite where the first bomb went off, hence "opposite the library", is the sidewalk, where the bomb exploded. Lots of people dropped their bags as they ran.

"Natural News" seems to be deliberately conflating the fire at the JFK Library with the controlled explosion opposite the public library. The tweets regarding the controlled explosion were:

(Times are Pacific, so 12:53 pacific is 3:53 Eastern, the bombing was at 2:50 Eastern, so these are about an hour after the bombing)




Obviously referring to the same thing, and simply clarifying the location.

Then AN HOUR LATER, they hear of the "explosion" at the JFK library:

(Notice it's not "The Library", which is what they call the main Boston Public Library, as you would expect).

And much later they note it seems to be just a fire:






(Above image via Reddit, not sure of the source, but the positions are accurate)

Natural News seems to basically just making things up to fulfill their preconceived idea of what happened.
 

NoParty

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Okay lets take one small piece of evidence that I think that should be the leading piece for you to try and debunk. That evidence is just merely the Boston Globe Tweeting there will be a bomb explosion and drill at the exact location the bomb went off. Please explain if this is a real event wouldn't you like to know who at the Boston Globe is involved in this massacre? Everyone seems to ignore that point. Or why all the press was kept blocks away for only one photographer to be present? Or how about the real paramedics never arrived, the ambulances were parked blocks away not allowed to enter the DHS "Drill" zone. 9/11 tapes confiscated will explain that all of the real first responders were called off because it as a drill. This is all public information that needs to be addressed in this forum. Also, I don't think it was well argued why they kept running people in wheelchairs. We all know that this is not protocol in any scenario. The hard evidence I have will sum up all the answers. These questions should be eating away at everyone questioning the authenticity of this fake event put on by the Dept. of Homeland Security.
I wish you'd just told me (instead of making me wade through the Alex Jones Show nonsense)
that this super-secret class action is just a retread of debunked 9/11 Truther stuff PLUS Sandy Hook PLUS
Boston...retreading the all the Wolfgang Halbig discredited stuff...

The Boston Globe tweet is your best stuff?!? :confused:

Others here have probably already let you know that that was dealt with here over a year and a half ago.

Snopes also dismissed your "best evidence" ages ago...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/boston.asp#globe

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Mick West

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And please stick to this one point, raising other issues should not happen until this one point has been satisfactorily addressed.
 

Nathan Folks

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The Tweet from Boston Globe is just the crack that started the downfall of this event.

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