1. FlightMuj

    FlightMuj Active Member

    Hello again!
    At this website: http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_0.html
    I saw an image which claims that the alleged Sun shown is actually a light bulb: Claim.

    I am not an expert in analyzing photography so cannot say much, only that, the lens flares do not look like bulbs, I mean the photos that thousand of people take of the Sun shows the same lens flares.
     
  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

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  3. I've seen a variation on this theme claiming that the sun was far too large in another Apollo 12 image (AS12-46-6739) when compared with similar photos taken on Earth. I altered the levels in it to produce this:

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    You can pretty much take anything claimed on the Aulis site with a dose of salt way in excess of your daily recommended amount.
     
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  4. FlightMuj

    FlightMuj Active Member

    Well that explains the lens flares, but would not "bulb" or any sort of lightning also create lens flares? I do not know much about photography so I cannot grasp the idea of a "bulb" and so cannot conclusively analyze.
     
  5. Clouds Givemethewillies

    Clouds Givemethewillies Active Member

    It would take a big lightbulb to produce ~1kW per square metre radiant power over the entire earth.
     
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  6. FlightMuj

    FlightMuj Active Member

    What I see is that we and the conspirators get the same result when messing with the images, and with that same result they say it is some sort of artificial lightning and we say that it is the Sun.
     
  7. FlightMuj

    FlightMuj Active Member

    Point?
     
  8. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    An impossibly big lightbulb.
     
  9. FlightMuj

    FlightMuj Active Member

    I know that "impossibly big" thing, but he mentioned Earth. What does Earth have to do with the claim of "artificial lightning suggesting set in Apollo missions".

    Also I said earlier:"Well that explains the lens flares, but would not "bulb" or any sort of lightning also create lens flares? I do not know much about photography so I cannot grasp the idea of a "bulb" and so cannot conclusively analyze."
     
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    Tumeni New Member

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  11. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    We deal with different levels of theories here. The OP is really about space flight photos and videos being staged on a set. But there are also people who think the sun itself is actually small and close. Some even going as far as a "Truman Show" scenario.

    A bulb would create lens flare. The problem with this claim is that they don't actually compare the image to a bulb, or a very bright disk, or the sun. So they are just going with a vague impression of a modified photo. It's useless as evidence, and not really worth addressing.

    Although that said, it can be fun to try to duplicate images like this.
     
  12. FlightMuj

    FlightMuj Active Member

    The conspirator was talking about this website: http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html.
    I also cannot find that frame but also notice there are a lot of other frames missing. Not all are uploaded, so it is just not that frame.
     
  13. FlightMuj

    FlightMuj Active Member

    I strongly agree with this part. The images taken by people of Sun on a daily basis shows the same thing. You are right they really never compare that with the photo showing flares from a bulb. I mean to me the photo looks very normal, and even the enhancement done by the conspirator shows nothing suspicious or even remotely a resemblance to a bulb. Google search shows hundreds of pictures of the Sun with the same effect, so effectively there is nothing wrong with the photo.
    A very vague claim.
     
  14. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    A web site changing what it hosts over ten years is hardly suspicious. The file is available in many other places.
     
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    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

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  16. FlightMuj

    FlightMuj Active Member

    The conspirator has no image showing whether it was there in the first place or not. This picture can be found on a lot of other websites:

    https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/images12.html (scroll about 25% of the way down; or search "AS12-46-6765 after pressing Ctrl+F)

    https://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS12-46-6765

    http://tothemoon.ser.asu.edu/gallery/apollo/AS12_Hasselblad (70 mm)/list#AS12-46-6765


    Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/21077396824/in/album-72157659081038325/


    A similar photo: https://archive.org/details/AS12-47-6998 (The tiff format is more than 46 MB so very high resolution; many more similar photos are there for conspirators to analyze).
     
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  17. Clouds Givemethewillies

    Clouds Givemethewillies Active Member

    I'm sorry, I should have read more carefully. I was thinking of the "everything is a hologram/faked" thing, rather than a staged photo.
     
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  18. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    The image is just one of several that show the sun and the associated flares. If you look at the thumbnails on Flickr you can see that a series of photos was taken to make a panorama. The sun was so bright that lens flare was even visible on photos with the sun well out of shot:

    upload_2018-1-24_11-18-2.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums/72157659081038325

    The photos can easily be assembled into panoramas showing that this is a real, seamless 3D landscape with a distant sun, not a set with a nearby bulb.

    This image covers slightly more than 360 degrees (you can see Pete Conrad's shadow at both left and right).

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    Another, rather smoother, one using a different set of photos taken later during the EVA:

    JSC2007e045376.

    (https://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollopanoramas/images/print/original/JSC2007e045376.jpg)

    Zoomable and pannable version here (requires Flash) https://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollopanoramas/pans/?pan=JSC2007e045376&zoom=True
     
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  19. StarGazer

    StarGazer Member

    I have a few questions and I hope the second one is not off topic because it's indirectly related to the Apollo 12 image of the thread.

    1. Since when Photoshop or any other image processing software programs can be used for spectral analysis of a light-source? That is: How do the claimants know that Apollo 12 image is from a light bulb in the first place just out of photoshop analysis and not using the proper equipment?

    2. Is there another image of the Sun taken from space, but not from the Moon, with the same or similar camera as the one from the Apollo 12, so that a comparison can be made of the expected lens flare exposure of the Sun on the same or similar photographic film?
     
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  20. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    1) It can't, of course. People not familiar with image analysis often ascribe near magical properties to Photoshop. All that Photoshop can do is look at the properties of the digital image, which is a scan of the photographic film positive taken by the original camera. There's no hidden "spectral" information there; it's just a collection of pixels each of which have a given brightness in the red, green and blue channels. You can adjust the levels to bring out differences in contrast and tone that are hard to see with the naked eye, but that's it.

    2) There are quite a few images taken by the Hasselblad cameras from Earth orbit and in cis-lunar space (ie between the Earth and the moon). For instance:

    https://flic.kr/p/yM6wW1 - AS11-36-5293

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    These two images, AS12-51-7586 and 7587, were taken on the return journey of Apollo 12, showing the sun and a very thin crescent Earth. They're pretty blown out by the brightness of the sun.

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    That was just from a very quick flick through the albums. Almost all the Apollo photos are available at https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums/with/72157658665465080
     
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