Website Deagel.com projects massive depopulation by 2025

[JDubyah]

This one is starting to be passed around the conspiracy circles as 'proof that the end is near' or 'proof of depopulation'. It's a site owned by one Edwin Deagle, according to whois.net. [Mod note, that's actually deagle.com, the site with the list is deagel.com] It says it references government and military web sources to make projections of things like population, GDP, PPP and the like for various countries, although it doesn't show the formulas.

What it shows is that the US population will either be reduced to ~69m or by 69m people by 2025. Other countries will also be hit hard, while others will prosper, according to their chart.

Now, it looks like nothing more than a chart where someone applied a simple ratio that cut off population according to another metric, probably related to the economy, and the scale was way off. Or, it's intentionally trying to create a stir. Whatever the case, because it's a bit mysterious, says it references the government and military, and is presented in a tidy, sortable table format, it's starting to get some traction out there in CT land.

Here you go, have at it:

http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx

 

[NoParty]

This one is starting to be passed around the conspiracy circles as 'proof that the end is near' or 'proof of depopulation'. It's a site owned by one Edwin Deagle, according to whois.net. It says it references government and military web sources to make projections of things like population, GDP, PPP and the like for various countries, although it doesn't show the formulas.

What it shows is that the US population will either be reduced to ~69m or by 69m people by 2025. Other countries will also be hit hard, while others will prosper, according to their chart.

Now, it looks like nothing more than a chart where someone applied a simple ratio that cut off population according to another metric, probably related to the economy, and the scale was way off. Or, it's intentionally trying to create a stir. Whatever the case, because it's a bit mysterious, says it references the government and military, and is presented in a tidy, sortable table format, it's starting to get some traction out there in CT land.

Here you go, have at it:

http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx

This (below) is what passes for the "reasoning" behind the nonsense prediction...
(though it's really probably actually nothing more than click bait)
even though it isn't long, I still can't recommend giving it even a few minutes:
There's nothing there. All assumptions depend on the total collapse of the
(strengthening) U.S. economy....not worth debunking...

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There have been many questions about the countries forecast specially the one focusing on the United States of America (USA). They won't be answered one by one but below you can find some explanation, thoughts and reflections. We are going to keep this as short as possible.

The majority of the economic and demographic data used in the making of the forecasts is widely available by institutions such as the CIA, IMF, UN, USG, etc. You can see the most relevant data at every single country's page. There is a tiny part of data coming from a variety of shadow sources such as Internet gurus, unsigned reports and others. But all these sources are from the internet and are of public domain for at least a minority. For example, several years ago Dagong, the Chinese ratings agency, published a report analyzing the physical economy of the States comparing it with those of China, Germany and Japan. The conclusion was that the US GDP was something between $5 to $10 trillion instead of $15 trillion as officially reported by the USG. We assume that the official data, especially economic, released by governments is fake, cooked or distorted in some degree. Historically it is well known that the former Soviet Union was making up fake statistics years before its collapse. Western as well as other countries are making up their numbers today to conceal their real state of affairs. We are sure that many people out there can find government statistics in their own countries that by their own personal experience are hard to believe or are so optimistic that may belong to a different country.

Despite the numeric data "quantity" there is a "quality" model which has not a direct translation into numeric data. The 2014 strain of Ebola has a death rate of 50-60% but try to imagine what would happen if there is a pandemic of Ebola with hundreds of thousands or millions infected with the virus. So far the few cases of Ebola-infected people have "enjoyed" intensive healthcare with anti-viral and breathing assistance but above all with abundant human support by Physicians and nurses. In a pandemic scenario that kind of healthcare won't be available for the overwhelming number of infected leading to a dramatic increase of the death rate due to the lack of proper healthcare. The "quality" factor is that the death rate could increase to 80-90% in a pandemic scenario from the stated 50-60% rate. The figure itself is not important what is relevant is the fact that the scenario can evolve beyond the initial conditions from a 50% death toll to more than 90%. By the way, no pandemic or nuclear war is included in the forecast.

The key element to understand the process that the USA will enter in the upcoming decade is migration. In the past, specially in the 20th century, the key factor that allowed the USA to rise to its colossus status was immigration with the benefits of a demographic expansion supporting the credit expansion and the brain drain from the rest of the world benefiting the States. The collapse of the Western financial system will wipe out the standard of living of its population while ending ponzi schemes such as the stock exchange and the pension funds. The population will be hit so badly by a full array of bubbles and ponzi schemes that the migration engine will start to work in reverse accelerating itself due to ripple effects thus leading to the demise of the States. This unseen situation for the States will develop itself in a cascade pattern with unprecedented and devastating effects for the economy. Jobs offshoring will surely end with many American Corporations relocating overseas thus becoming foreign Corporations!!!! We see a significant part of the American population migrating to Latin America and Asia while migration to Europe - suffering a similar illness - won't be relevant. Nevertheless the death toll will be horrible. Take into account that the Soviet Union's population was poorer than the Americans nowadays or even then. The ex-Soviets suffered during the following struggle in the 1990s with a significant death toll and the loss of national pride. Might we say "Twice the pride, double the fall"? Nope. The American standard of living is one of the highest, far more than double of the Soviets while having added a services economy that will be gone along with the financial system. When pensioners see their retirement disappear in front of their eyes and there are no servicing jobs you can imagine what is going to happen next. At least younger people can migrate. Never in human history were so many elders among the population. In past centuries people were lucky to get to their 30s or 40s. The American downfall is set to be far worse than the Soviet Union's one. A confluence of crisis with a devastating result.

The Demographic crisis in the former Soviet Union countries has extended for over two decades, if we accept that it ended early in this decade (2010s). The demographic crisis will hit the World in the near future and is projected to last between three and eight decades more or less depending on technological breakthrough and environmental issues. The aftermath is more likely a frozen picture with the population numbers staying the same for a very, very long period of time. The countries forecast population numbers do reflect birth/deaths but also migratory movements. Many countries are going to increase their gross population due to immigration while their native population may shrink.

Over the past two thousand years we have witnessed the Western civilization built around the Mediterranean Sea shifting to Northern Europe and then by the mid 20th century shifting to an Atlantic axis to finally get centered into the States in the past 30 years. The next move will see the civilization being centered in Asia with Russia and China on top. Historically a change in the economic paradigm has resulted in a death toll that is rarely highlighted by mainstream historians. When the transition from rural areas to large cities happened in Europe many people unable to accept the new paradigm killed themselves. They killed themselves by a psychological factor. This is not mainstream but it is true. A new crisis joins old, well known patterns with new ones.

Sorry to disappoint many of you with our forecast. It is getting worse and worse every year since the beginning of the pre-crisis in 2007. It is already said that this website is non-profit, built on spare time and we provide our information and services AS IS without further explanations and/or guarantees. We are not linked to any government in any way, shape or form. We are not a death or satanic cult or arms dealers as some BS is floating around the internet on this topic. Take into account that the forecast is nothing more than a model whether flawed or correct. It is not God's word or a magic device that allows to foresee the future.

Sunday, October 26th, 2014

 

[jaydeehess]

Historically a change in the economic paradigm has resulted in a death toll that is rarely highlighted by mainstream historians. When the transition from rural areas to large cities happened in Europe many people unable to accept the new paradigm killed themselves. They killed themselves by a psychological factor.

Is this supposed to make any sense at all? People killed themselves because a lot of people were moving to urban areas.

 

[Hevach]

The whole thing reads like some kind of libertarian fanfiction. I kept expecting a Lincoln-Reagan ship in there somewhere.

 

[Bill]

This one is starting to be passed around the conspiracy circles as 'proof that the end is near' or 'proof of depopulation'. It's a site owned by one Edwin Deagle, according to whois.net. It says it references government and military web sources to make projections of things like population, GDP, PPP and the like for various countries, although it doesn't show the formulas.

What it shows is that the US population will either be reduced to ~69m or by 69m people by 2025. Other countries will also be hit hard, while others will prosper, according to their chart.

Now, it looks like nothing more than a chart where someone applied a simple ratio that cut off population according to another metric, probably related to the economy, and the scale was way off. Or, it's intentionally trying to create a stir. Whatever the case, because it's a bit mysterious, says it references the government and military, and is presented in a tidy, sortable table format, it's starting to get some traction out there in CT land.

Here you go, have at it:

http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx

This seems to be the building the web site is registered through. Doesn't look like a going business concern to me. More like apartments in Spain. Maybe they are deep cover.

Since there is no information on how Deagel.com obtained the data or made the forecast I don't think it has much merit. As an aside Roses Spain does look like it would be a nice place to vacation so the website did serve a purpose.

 

[NoParty]

...I don't think it has much merit.

Yeah, just typing "Deagel.com" and "merit" into the same sentence crashed my iMac...

 

[Bill]

Yeah, just typing "Deagel.com" and "merit" into the same sentence crashed my iMac...

I visited the site on October 24th and there wasn't anything besides the interactive chart. The owner seems to have worked on it since it started getting passed around to the CT sites. I guess they wanted to look authoritative to their new followers.

 

[JDubyah]

I visited the site on October 24th and there wasn't anything besides the interactive chart. The owner seems to have worked on it since it started getting passed around to the CT sites. I guess they wanted to look authoritative to their new followers.

I hadn't read all that extra explanation either, as my first visit just had the numbers and very little description. It's good to see that it's what I suspected.. just making leaps in logic an applying brute ratios.

I wanted to get it up here so the CTers could find something else to read about the site rather then the 'end is near!' stuff that's being tagged along to it.

Upon further reading, this site is being paired with some notion of a 'megacity' plan for the US, and in the explanation quoted above about people being 'unable to handle the transition to large cities', it fits with that conspiracy as well. Maybe that's another thread, but it looks like there's an effort to build up a series of web sites that pull together the 'depopulation', 'megacity', 'America 2050' conspiracy stuff. Like this site by Dave Hodges:

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/10/23/the-target-date-for-americas-depopulation-has-been-set/

 

[Whitebeard]

Historically a change in the economic paradigm has resulted in a death toll that is rarely highlighted by mainstream historians. When the transition from rural areas to large cities happened in Europe many people unable to accept the new paradigm killed themselves. They killed themselves by a psychological factor.

Is this supposed to make any sense at all? People killed themselves because a lot of people were moving to urban areas.

Whilst it is true that urbanisation of the populous during the industrial revolution, in the UK at least, did lead to a higher death rate and a shorter life expectancy.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2013/09/economic-history-0

For instance, in almost all British cities, mortality conditions in the 1860s were no better—and were often worse—than in the 1850s. In Liverpool in the 1860s, the life expectancy fell to an astonishing 25 years. It was not until the two subsequent decades that rises in life expectancy were found

the causes were more to do with slum living conditions, poor food supply, population density leading to a high rate of disease transmission, polluted water supplies, dangerous factory working conditions etc, rather than a sudden desire to commit mass suicide.

http://www.victorianweb.org/science/health/health10.html

 

[jaydeehess]

That I could accept. I cannot shoehorn it as the connotation intended in the previous post though.

 

[Madame]

The bit about people killing themselves because of transitioning to urban areas, and the bit about Russia and China being the new center is new. These actually reflect two conspiracy theories. One being Agenda 21, which is believed to involve people being forced to live in mega cities (those who survive whatever cull is predicted), and the more mainstream CT that Russia and China are going to crash the US dollar (merged with the Illuminati making their new center in the east). The economic theory is actually backed up by some indicators (which by no means say there is a conspiracy, merely provide the fodder), including those nations dumping our debt bonds, and a prediction that the yuan is about to become a global trade currency, possibly backed by gold. When I visited the Deagel site two weeks ago, it only blamed the population drop of economic collapse, followed by loss of healthcare and a die off of the elderly as well as people fleeing the US.

It appears Deagel.com just added this, perhaps to get more hits or scare-monger (or cuz it's true !?).

Also--this is basic math class--they predict the population will BE 69 mil, not drop by. They show other predictions such as GDP, not the rate it is lowered by but the rate it will be. That is how the chart is read.

 

[Madame]

A quick WhoIs search, if it means anything to anyone:

Domain Name: DEAGEL.COM
Registrar: TUCOWS DOMAINS INC.
Whois Server: whois.tucows.com
Referral URL: http://domainhelp.opensrs.net
Name Server: NS1.FLUIDHOSTING.COM
Name Server: NS2.FLUIDHOSTING.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 19-aug-2013
Creation Date: 31-aug-2003
Expiration Date: 31-aug-2016

>>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 02:43:47 GMT <<<

 

[Hevach]

Unfortunately anything that would be useful (owner name or contact information) isn't listed for the domain, just some registration and hosting information that could be shared by hundreds of other sites.

 

[Madame]

Christ, here we go. Above it says someone found an Edwin Deagle listed as owner. A google search revealed a military Major by that name, and this forward from a book about energy by Mr. Deagle. At his signature, we learn he is a member of the Rockafeller Foundation. I have just ordered a customs made tin foil hat, folks. Here is the text, which reads much in the same style as the text from the site explaining the predictions.

"
Foreword by Edwin A. Deagle, Jr.

The massive energy transition the world has been undergoing since 1973 continues to be full of surprises. Past predictions of energy independence based on a diversity of supplies; of the unlikelihood that conservation based on higher energy prices would be much help; of the prospect that OPEC countries would drive prices higher and higher have all proven wrong. Many people now interpret the current surplus in he oil market as evidence that the power of OPEC is broken and the energy crisis is essentially over. This prediction is undoubtedly wrong too.

What is true is that energy will remain high on the policy agenda of most countries for a decade and probably longer. New sources of supply require vast sums of capital and long periods of time to bring to the market. The promise of renewable sources of energy at reasonable prices remains in the future. conservation in reaction to high energy prices has been the most successful public response to the energy transition to date, greatly overshadowing the efforts of governments.

Nevertheless, governments and international agencies have begun to act. We note that the United Nations is holding a Conference on New and Renewable Sources of Energy at Nairobi, in August 1981. It is the first international efort in some time to attempt to fashion strategies for international action; and we hope that it will be successful.

In thebelief that informed public opinion is both the prerequisite and the guarantee of effective public policy, The Rockefeller Foundationn is pleased to support the work of Ruth Sivard in preparing this volume. Revised and expanded from an earlier version published in 1979, the volume is intended to provide an overview of the world energy situation and prospects for the future. Its merit, in our judgement, lies in the useful way it marshals complex facts and issues for the lay reader. The foundation takes no formal positions on matters of public policy and therefore does not, by its sponsorship, necessarily endorse the substantive views expressed in this report. We are pleased, howerver, to support this useful work with the hope that it will contribute greatly to public understanding of these complex and vexing issues.

Edwin A. Deagle, Jr., Ph.D.
Director, International Relations
The Rockefeller Foundation
"

End quote, good night, god bless.

 

[D3FC0NZ3R0]

(@Whitebeard) ...10s of millions of (perhaps over 50,000,000) Chinese People didn't just sponatneously commit mass suicide ca. 1960 either. The forced urbanization (and very possibly other, more clandestine, agendas) contributed in various ways to the genocide known as the Great Leap "Forward". There is every reason to think such a thing will happen again, just as there is with respect to the Soviet purge of Stalin and the alleged Holocaust of Hitler; in fact there is every reason to think that the quarter billion (262,000,000+) Souls snuffed out by the process of Democide (systematic extermination by one's own "government") and reported by acclaimed professor and historian Rudolf Rummel is only the beginning of a larger trend (or plan).

 

[MikeG]

I think that there is a distinction to be made between "contributed" and "caused."

I have no doubt that some programs were deliberately designed to cause death. The Soviet Union in the thirties is an excellent example.

A great deal death and suffering was also the result of incompetence, ideological hubris, and misguided policy.

I am not familiar with Rudolf Rummel, but looked him up, specifically his theory of "democide"

Rummel was the creator of the term democide: "the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder". He has further stated: "I use the civil definition of murder, where someone can be guilty of murder if they are responsible in a reckless and wanton way for the loss of life, as in incarcerating people in camps where they may soon die of malnutrition, unattended disease, and forced labor, or deporting them into wastelands where they may die rapidly from exposure and disease."

His research concluded that the death toll from democide is far greater than the death toll from war. After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, he estimated that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century[5] and that six times as many people have died at the hands of people working for governments than have died in battle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Rummel#cite_ref-5

I find your use of the term "alleged Holocaust of Hitler" to be very troubling.

I would like to see what evidence that you might have regarding "a larger trend (or plan)" beyond pure speculation/

 

[DougW]

The Great Leap forward had nothing to do with urbanisation or forced clandestine agendas. People starved to death because of Mao's orders on farm yield quotas that were unrealistic. Sadly all the cadre's under him right along the chain of command from the highest to the lowest didn't have the intestinal fortitude to tell the truth so they just told the cadre who was the next rung up what they wanted to hear to save themselves til the story Mao wanted to hear got back to him. So instead of releasing the harvests to the population (year after year) the cadres stored most of it up to give the impression that the 'Great Helmsman's words had come to fruition' and that China was abundant in food.
The greatest move of urbanisation in China started with the open reforms of Deng (after Mao's death and the arrest of the Gang of Four) which continue to this day which has been, by far greater than any moves of urbanisation during the 1950s.
The only agenda Mao had was he was delusional to reality and his own self worth.

 

[Whitebeard]

(@Whitebeard) ...10s of millions of (perhaps over 50,000,000) Chinese People didn't just sponatneously commit mass suicide ca. 1960 either. The forced urbanization (and very possibly other, more clandestine, agendas) contributed in various ways to the genocide known as the Great Leap "Forward". There is every reason to think such a thing will happen again, just as there is with respect to the Soviet purge of Stalin and the alleged Holocaust of Hitler; in fact there is every reason to think that the quarter billion (262,000,000+) Souls snuffed out by the process of Democide (systematic extermination by one's own "government") and reported by acclaimed professor and historian Rudolf Rummel is only the beginning of a larger trend (or plan).

The reduction of life expectancy in the UK the during the industrial revolution has little do do with any of the above examples. In the Great Leap Forward, Mao was trying to compact 200 years of technological progress - from a agricultural feudal economy to a modern industrial one into five years, with really poor planning and no foresight which resulted in a terrible human price. Stalins' purges were the result of political paranoia and a desire to tighten his grip on power, whilst the holocaust (no alleged about it, but that's off topic) was the tragic result of the xenophobic delusions of a despotic megalomaniac. However these differ from the UK situation I was referring to in as much as they were the result, intended or otherwise, of the actions of one dictator and his yes men, rather than a series of on going processes, sociological, economic, industrial and agricultural that took 150 years to play out.

Yes states do at times go postal on their own populations, want some more examples? Pol Pots Killing Fields, the Rwandan genocide, the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans following the break up of Yugoslavia, General Pinochet and the rest of the 'South American meat packing glitterati' (to quote Roger Waters) and their crack down on opposition... the list is long. BUT they can hardly be called cases of mass global depopulation. Even in the worse case, the holocaust, we are still 'only' talking between 6-7 million compared with total deaths in WW2 of over 60million in total. Even that figure is under 3% of the 1939 global population. Hardly 'mass depopulation'.

I can see more holocausts, genocides and xenophobic political psychos killing millions in the future, we have had them since we dropped out of the trees, and we will continue to have them as long people continue to be utter bastards to one another. However these events, although they may well be tragic, shocking and of local import, they will be in the grand scheme of things insignificant. There are currently just over 7.4 BILLION people on Earth, that population is being boosted by 350,000 a day. To put this in perspective, if I wiped out the population of London (8.6 mil) right now, it would take less than a month to replace every one of my victims. Therefore any nefarious scheme to reduce he global population had better be bloody big and effective, otherwise it's just pissing in the wind.

If you want real mass depopulation you have to look at something natural like the Black Death in the 1350's which took out half the population of Europe and 20% of the global population, and that is something only the very very stupid would even consider as viable. Not only are epidemics not very selective as to who they infect and kill (the rich and powerful are just as likely to cop a dose as the 'ordinary' people), but mass depopulation events are bad news for those in power. The Black Death caused massive social and political changes in the years after it hit. The mass deaths of the serf farmers killed of the feudal system in many parts of Europe, severely weakened the power of the Church and gave rise to the earliest shoots of social, religious and economic change that would come to fruition some 150 years later, sweeping the old orders away with it.

 

[MikeG]

The reduction of life expectancy in the UK the during the industrial revolution has little do do with any of the above examples. In the Great Leap Forward, Mao was trying to compact 200 years of technological progress - from a agricultural feudal economy to a modern industrial one into five years, with really poor planning and no foresight which resulted in a terrible human price. Stalins' purges were the result of political paranoia and a desire to tighten his grip on power, whilst the holocaust (no alleged about it, but that's off topic) was the tragic result of the xenophobic delusions of a despotic megalomaniac. However these differ from the UK situation I was referring to in as much as they were the result, intended or otherwise, of the actions of one dictator and his yes men, rather than a series of on going processes, sociological, economic, industrial and agricultural that took 150 years to play out.

Yes states do at times go postal on their own populations, want some more examples? Pol Pots Killing Fields, the Rwandan genocide, the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans following the break up of Yugoslavia, General Pinochet and the rest of the 'South American meat packing glitterati' (to quote Roger Waters) and their crack down on opposition... the list is long. BUT they can hardly be called cases of mass global depopulation. Even in the worse case, the holocaust, we are still 'only' talking between 6-7 million compared with total deaths in WW2 of over 60million in total. Even that figure is under 3% of the 1939 global population. Hardly 'mass depopulation'.

I can see more holocausts, genocides and xenophobic political psychos killing millions in the future, we have had them since we dropped out of the trees, and we will continue to have them as long people continue to be utter bastards to one another. However these events, although they may well be tragic, shocking and of local import, they will be in the grand scheme of things insignificant. There are currently just over 7.4 BILLION people on Earth, that population is being boosted by 350,000 a day. To put this in perspective, if I wiped out the population of London (8.6 mil) right now, it would take less than a month to replace every one of my victims. Therefore any nefarious scheme to reduce he global population had better be bloody big and effective, otherwise it's just pissing in the wind.

If you want real mass depopulation you have to look at something natural like the Black Death in the 1350's which took out half the population of Europe and 20% of the global population, and that is something only the very very stupid would even consider as viable. Not only are epidemics not very selective as to who they infect and kill (the rich and powerful are just as likely to cop a dose as the 'ordinary' people), but mass depopulation events are bad news for those in power. The Black Death caused massive social and political changes in the years after it hit. The mass deaths of the serf farmers killed of the feudal system in many parts of Europe, severely weakened the power of the Church and gave rise to the earliest shoots of social, religious and economic change that would come to fruition some 150 years later, sweeping the old orders away with it.

Very well said.

 

[Spectrar Ghost]

I occasionally wonder if Whitebeard isn't a Professor of History at Princeton masquerading as a musician for kicks.

 

[Whitebeard]

I occasionally wonder if Whitebeard isn't a Professor of History at Princeton masquerading as a musician for kicks.

Lol...nah my only history qualification is an A-level, BUT it was my best subject at school, and I do dig the subject so much I read far far more history books than I do fiction.

 

[Auldy]

I occasionally wonder if Whitebeard isn't a Professor of History at Princeton masquerading as a musician for kicks.

Why can't you be both? Superhero origin story here.

 

[Whitebeard]

Why can't you be both? Superhero origin story here.

"Whitebeard was a normal musician, until one day, whilst bored out of his mind in the back of the transit en-route to a gig in Dundee he read a radio-active essay on the subject of 'The impact of the expansion of the Cornwall Railway Company on the china clay industry in the Redruth area'....

That sort of thing?

 

[Auldy]

That sort of thing?

 

[jaydeehess]

Simple math, if Whitebeard's number is correct then any global depopulation effort must increase the daily global death rate by 350,000 persons.
That would be greater than trebling the present daily dearh rate.
That, I assume , would be noticed.

 

[Un4givenone]

There is a lot of good thought here on differing opinions. I joined to point out one or two things. Though all have points.
On the depopulation topic, Though everyone has made good points, I see no mention of man made virus's. Yes, we all know that they are not suppose to be made, yet I think we all know they are. Then you have the possibility of nuclear eradication that doesn't necessarily need rockets. With the flood gates of the different sec's of Muslim ( I'm not saying all ) the Jihadist, as backward as they can seem, have those that can manufacture these. Though it's not likely. They also as we all should know, attempting to manufacture bio and chemical weapons that can be distributed in small packages. Get a 100 or so with suitcase sized distribution systems in 50 major cities at the same time and there's a massive death toll. Just saying if there's a will there's a way. Jihadists will be the preferred ideology for the so called NWO as it's designed for slaves to want to be slaves and if anyone speaks out its punishable by death, it encourages even family members to kill anyone including family any and all opposition. Just some food for thought. And one last item, don't down play the UN's agenda, it was written by the #2 communist in the world and I believe people are being led by lies and misconceptions to fulfill the agenda and its not all peaches.

[...]

 

[MikeG]

Jihadists will be the preferred ideology for the so called NWO as it's designed for slaves to want to be slaves and if anyone speaks out its punishable by death, it encourages even family members to kill anyone including family any and all opposition. Just some food for thought. And one last item,don't down play the UN's agenda, it was written by the #2 communist in the world and I believe people are being led by lies and misconceptions to fulfill the agenda and its not all peaches.

[...]

Could you explain some of this?

"Jihadists will be the preferred ideology for the so called NWO"

"don't down play the UN's agenda, it was written by the #2 communist in the world and I believe people are being led by lies and misconceptions to fulfill the agenda"

 

[DougW]

There is a lot of good thought here on differing opinions. I joined to point out one or two things. Though all have points.
On the depopulation topic, Though everyone has made good points, I see no mention of man made virus's. Yes, we all know that they are not suppose to be made, yet I think we all know they are. Then you have the possibility of nuclear eradication that doesn't necessarily need rockets. With the flood gates of the different sec's of Muslim ( I'm not saying all ) the Jihadist, as backward as they can seem, have those that can manufacture these. Though it's not likely. They also as we all should know, attempting to manufacture bio and chemical weapons that can be distributed in small packages. Get a 100 or so with suitcase sized distribution systems in 50 major cities at the same time and there's a massive death toll. Just saying if there's a will there's a way. Jihadists will be the preferred ideology for the so called NWO as it's designed for slaves to want to be slaves and if anyone speaks out its punishable by death, it encourages even family members to kill anyone including family any and all opposition. Just some food for thought. And one last item, don't down play the UN's agenda, it was written by the #2 communist in the world and I believe people are being led by lies and misconceptions to fulfill the agenda and its not all peaches.

[...]

I don't think there have been man made viruses that have been 'released' on the human population. Always open to be corrected of course as long as it's from a credible source. I think realistically any dramatic reduction in population would come either from space with some sort of rock collision - a super natural disaster or large scale war.

 

[Hannes De Beer]

This one is starting to be passed around the conspiracy circles as 'proof that the end is near' or 'proof of depopulation'. It's a site owned by one Edwin Deagle, according to whois.net. It says it references government and military web sources to make projections of things like population, GDP, PPP and the like for various countries, although it doesn't show the formulas.

What it shows is that the US population will either be reduced to ~69m or by 69m people by 2025. Other countries will also be hit hard, while others will prosper, according to their chart.

Now, it looks like nothing more than a chart where someone applied a simple ratio that cut off population according to another metric, probably related to the economy, and the scale was way off. Or, it's intentionally trying to create a stir. Whatever the case, because it's a bit mysterious, says it references the government and military, and is presented in a tidy, sortable table format, it's starting to get some traction out there in CT land.

Here you go, have at it:

http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx

Can you please clarify.

You refer to Edwin Deagle and his website deagle.com, yet you link to a totally different website deagel.com.
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[Mick West]

Can you please clarify.

You refer to Edwin Deagle and his website deagle.com, yet you link to a totally different website deagel.com.
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It's deagel.com, Edwin Deagle seems unrelated. Seems to date back to a misunderstanding on ATS:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1038784/pg1

 

[Trailblazer]

I was looking at this site again recently. Archive.org has copies saved back as far as 2003, but the earliest I can get any of its predictions is 2008. Fortunately, the predictions on that page are for 2017, the same year as the latest actual data on the Deagel page. As you can see, the predictions are not especially accurate. (2008 forecasts for 2017 on left, actual 2017 data on right)

This is only the first page - I don't think subsequent pages were archived, but there is other data there if you dig around in the archives.

Here for example is the forecast for 2017 for the UK, compared to the actual figures. Deagel forecast a drop in population from 66m to 61m, and a fall in Purchase Power Parity of almost half, neither of which happened:

And for the USA: the population figure isn't far off, but the GDP and military budget are way off.

The next forecast year on the Deagel site after 2017 is 2020, which is when the figures really start to show a big fall in population of meany western nations (eg 269m for the USA, 51m for the UK), so we shall see soon enough...

 

[kiki]

I ran across this 2025 forecast by Deagel.com earlier this year as the pandemic was ramping up. Saved 2 screenshots for the UK and USA population forecast on my hard drive. Crossed my mind to look this up again today and see what's new if anything and the forecast info is GONE. (I still have my screenshots and also those saved from messages above.) Just wondering if any of the commenters on this thread care to revisit this topic now, with our current pandemic and "The Great Reset" plans and Vaccine rollouts etc. Anyone want to pile on? I am curious to see this thread continue and some of the original commenters update their "take" on what is going on and how that relates to the Deagel.com forecasts!

 

[Mick West]

I ran across this 2025 forecast by Deagel.com earlier this year as the pandemic was ramping up. Saved 2 screenshots for the UK and USA population forecast on my hard drive. Crossed my mind to look this up again today and see what's new if anything and the forecast info is GONE. (I still have my screenshots and also those saved from messages above.)

The main page with population predictions is still there.
https://www.deagel.com/forecast

Just wondering if any of the commenters on this thread care to revisit this topic now, with our current pandemic and "The Great Reset" plans and Vaccine rollouts etc. Anyone want to pile on? I am curious to see this thread continue and some of the original commenters update their "take" on what is going on and how that relates to the Deagel.com forecasts!

It appears increasingly ridiculous. With less than five years left on the prediction, the idea that there will be a population reduction in the US from to 99 million people just makes zero sense. The pandemic is a blip, the "Great Reset" has nothing to do with short term population changes, and vaccines save lives.

Since the start of this thread in 2014, the US population has grown at about 0.6% per year, adding 10 million people.

 

[Hevach]

Something really important about Deagel and COVID: Deagel has China showing massive financial gains, and India showing large population gains. Both, however, were quite badly hit by COVID deaths and because of the shutdowns domestically and in many of their export partner countries, they took major financial hits. Even before the pandemic, none of those predictions had shown any sign of coming true for, any more than the opposite predictions for the US, but 2020 has taken China and India in the opposite direction of the prediction.


Even with COVID the US is gaining population. But just for the sake of discussion, the doomsday scenario: If the vaccine falls through and our entire healthcare system collapses and COVID goes full exponential through the rest of the population with little to no resistance.

Looking at locations that did experience healthcare collapse during the first peak, the local case fatality rate rarely got much over 10%. 30-40 million dead over a few years, while a mind boggling number and enough to wipe out the last ten years of population growth, is still such a far cry from Deagel's prediction (230 million) that they're not even on the same graph.

And to be clear: This is a scary clickbait news article prediction, not a realistic prediction. Local or even regional healthcare collapse is still a looming threat in places like South Dakota, but on a national scale it's extremely unlikely. There are two vaccines already past the regulatory hurdles and several more still on the track, while something might come up with one or two the likelihood that none of them end up materializing on the market is negligible. And even with cases surging, the whole of America isn't going out and licking doorknobs and coughing in faces as a form of social greeting.

The pandemic is not over, but it's not going to be the song that ends the world.

 

[Mendel]

Something really important about Deagel and COVID: Deagel has China showing massive financial gains, and India showing large population gains. Both, however, were quite badly hit by COVID deaths and because of the shutdowns domestically and in many of their export partner countries, they took major financial hits.

Do you have evidence for this?

Death-wise, offically (via ECDC data), China has suffered very little from Covid-19; and India has half the deaths of the US with four times the population (10/100,000). I wouldn't label that "badly hit".

Economically, it's unclear how quickly the economies will recover, but do you have data on how hard they've been hit?

 

[PenaH]

I have been running into this a lot recently. Now some claim these deaths will be due to COVID-vaccines "true purpose" of depopulating world. Do they have evidence? No at least from what I have seen, but it apperently is "so connected".

 

[Mendel]

I have been running into this a lot recently. Now some claim these deaths will be due to COVID-vaccines "true purpose" of depopulating world. Do they have evidence? No at least from what I have seen, but it apperently is "so connected".

People dying from vaccines in large numbers can't be hidden.
It's not happening.

 

[Trailblazer]

This is doing the rounds again, so it is worth pointing out that the 2020 predictions were way off.

For example it showed a UK population of 51m in 2020, and a US population of 264m.

The actual figures for 2020 were 67.1m and 329.5m respectively.
So there is absolutely no reason to think that the even more drastic declines predicted by 2025 will come true.

The 2025 population forecasts do seem to have disappeared for good now.