watched the first one (too long to download second). very pretty!! I see contrails and ..... ready?... DARK CLOUDS.I attached files in posts 128 and 130
On both of the screen shots that you posted for me, every bit of "cloud" that you see was produced by an airplane. and that darker cloud that you see on the bottom of the horizon of both shots goes from boston MA to at least Rhode Island. That is what is abnormal about it.You are making the claim. Describe what you find abnormal about them. Compare them to older photos of contrails.
because i watched it form out of "contrails" in to that chem cloud. and not only that, it stretches from logan, all the way to rhode island, and follows the flight path, i mean cmon, use some common sense and do the mathI guess that low, dark cloud in #29 is what you say was a trail from Logan? Why do you feel it's not just a shaded cloud? Why do you think that is even a trail from a plane out of Logan?
How do almost ALL of the airplanes that leave logan airport leave chemtrails almost from the moment of lift-off?
But contrails often spread out into clouds.because i watched it form out of "contrails" in to that chem cloud. and not only that, it stretches from logan, all the way to rhode island, and follows the flight path, i mean cmon, use some common sense and do the math
You do the math. What exactly is the problem here? Contrails can be hundreds of miles long in the right weather conditions.because i watched it form out of "contrails" in to that chem cloud. and not only that, it stretches from logan, all the way to rhode island, and follows the flight path, i mean cmon, use some common sense and do the math
I dunno if its still in this thread, but I dont have a video like that that i can upload. I Live in NJ now, but Im going home this week to visit friends and family. I will be mostly on the south coast, but im sure that ill be in or near the city at some point and will try to get a good video for you. But I mean, cmon, with what ive posted im pretty sure its good enough. 300 grove street is 11.4 miles from Logan, and planes travel at what? 300mph? do the math? how much time does that take?Vindog, you need to post the video of the aircraft "chemtrailing" straight out of Logan with some sort of correlation like looking at Flight Radar 24 and identifying where the aircraft came from and it's altitude as it passes over.
Are you aware you live almost directly beneath one of the most active air corridors in the world; from the North east of the US to Europe?
Would you be seeing most of the trails to the west of where you live?
THANK YOU!!! thats my whole point!!! these planes are leaving the "contrails" when they shouldnt be. Too low, and 11 miles from the airport? that is my whole point.No plane will be leaving contrails until it's about 30,000 feet, which takes ten minute or more. So what exactly are you referring to?
because i watched it form out of "contrails" in to that chem cloud. and not only that, it stretches from logan, all the way to rhode island, and follows the flight path, i mean cmon, use some common sense and do the math
You're question was what makes me think they are not normal clouds.......I answer it by saying that i watched them form from airplanes, and your response is that that is normal.....circular argument.But contrails often spread out into clouds.
You do the math. What exactly is the problem here? Contrails can be hundreds of miles long in the right weather conditions.
THANK YOU!!! thats my whole point!!! these planes are leaving the "contrails" when they shouldnt be. Too low, and 11 miles from the airport? that is my whole point.
because i watched it form out of "contrails" in to that chem cloud
You're question was what makes me think they are not normal clouds.......I answer it by saying that i watched them form from airplanes, and your response is that that is normal.....circular argument.
Well in that video YOu get a full view of the stores in the parking lot that im standing in...if you dont believe me then do some research and see if all those stores ARE in fact at 300 grove street braintree ma, and then go to google earth and see the distance from logan to there....sheesh....The "common sense" you are expecting me to use, is that I should believe what you say about how that cloud formed and that it came out of a plane which took off from Logan, which I think you said is only some 11 miles away. Since you already have expected me to believe that you have observed planes trailing soon after takeoff, something which would be truly astounding, I am reluctant to take your word for anything.
A video of all this happening would clear of a lot of confusion. I have seen the claim made MANY times of "low altitude spraying", but never a single vid showing it. Not one. Yours is not an exception. You CLAIM the plane took off from Logan, but you are only guessing.because i watched it form out of "contrails" in to that chem cloud. and not only that, it stretches from logan, all the way to rhode island, and follows the flight path, i mean cmon, use some common sense and do the math
Well in that video YOu get a full view of the stores in the parking lot that im standing in...if you dont believe me then do some research and see if all those stores ARE in fact at 300 grove street braintree ma, and then go to google earth and see the distance from logan to there....sheesh....
For me to come here and make up stories and lies would do me no good.
I wasn't questioning the location of the vid. What is in question is whether a plane you saw coming from the direction of Logan, which was trailing, actually took off from Logan.Well in that video YOu get a full view of the stores in the parking lot that im standing in...if you dont believe me then do some research and see if all those stores ARE in fact at 300 grove street braintree ma, and then go to google earth and see the distance from logan to there....sheesh....
For me to come here and make up stories and lies would do me no good.
So this was the question that I was answer Mick, Im sorry im getting confused on who said what, but i have like 4 different conversations happening here.I guess that low, dark cloud in #29 is what you say was a trail from Logan? Why do you feel it's not just a shaded cloud? Why do you think that is even a trail from a plane out of Logan? Like the other situation, the sun is low in the sky and some of the clouds are in shadow. Looks completely normal to me. Please describe specifically what you think is abnormal. Please don't say "everything".
I DO take the argument of "you never used to see this in the 90's but now its all day everyday."
My head hurts. It's late. At this point the only think I can do is to hope to make a good video this week as close to logan as i can. Ill try to use that site as well Mick.
I think its funny though, that all of your arguments are hinging on the fact that you all are assuming that Im guessing, or didnt see what I saw.
Contrail altitude is basically 26500 and up then? is that correct?You'll need to add a filter to only get the contrail altitude traffic:
My head hurts. It's late. At this point the only think I can do is to hope to make a good video this week as close to logan as i can. Ill try to use that site as well Mick.
I think its funny though, that all of your arguments are hinging on the fact that you all are assuming that Im guessing, or didnt see what I saw.
Contrail altitude is basically 26500 and up then? is that correct?
does this mean that if I can film a plane at a lower altitude leaving a trail that I am correct about chemtrails then?
Even if I did film that plane and had this computer up with Radar24 on the screen showing you lets say a filter of only 0ft to 26500, would you even believe me or say im somehow doctoring stuff?
Seriously, should i even waste my time presenting my findings to you guys if they go my way?
after viewing radar 24 for a few minutes with different filters this question is more valid to me now. the answer is no. I saw most of the planes directly over head when i was in quincy, braintree, dedham, or foxboro.Would you be seeing most of the trails to the west of where you live?
after viewing radar 24 for a few minutes with different filters this question is more valid to me now. the answer is no. I saw most of the planes directly over head when i was in quincy, braintree, dedham, or foxboro.
Listen guys, I know I probably sound like im stubborn on this issue, but I AM trying to be open minded....you guys are just not giving me convincing arguments is all. Hope I'm not being to standoffish
you guys are just not giving me convincing arguments is all.
Would a plane that had taken off north of logan Fly directly over the airport, lower its elevation as it did so and then re elevate after clearing logan? No i dont think so.