Vindog's Contrail Questions [Contrails Near Boston]

Vindog

Member
There are pilots here who can certainly tell you how high a plane should be at a certain distance from the airport. I am not one of them.

PS: You said: "...shows the very long chem cloud from logan to providence..."

You know that plane took off from Logan, how?
When you see a chem cloud that comes directly out of Logan International airport in Boston Ma, and stretches all the way down past braintree, dedham, walpole, foxboro, mansfield, attleboro and right into Rhode Island, one can only use deductive reasoning.
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
actually, I never said that there would be hundreds of pictures of it if it was happening..that is what you said...when you said it, i misunderstood what you were saying, and thought you were saying that there would be hundreds of pictures of chemtrails in general, to which i responded that there ARE thousands of general pictures of chemtrails.

I do have pictures and videos of my own of the chem cloud that extends from Boston to Rhode Island, just having trouble getting them on my laptop.

I suggest that YOU sir slow down and comprehend the conversation better.

Here is the exchange:

Quote you: How do almost ALL of the airplanes that leave logan airport leave chemtrails almost from the moment of lift-off?

Quote me: More hyperbole. That isn't happening or there would be hundreds of images of it all over internet chemtrail sites.

Quote you: Ahhh dude, there are THOUSANDS of images of it... Ok, so now im going to try to upload my video from my old smart phone so I can show you my own video of it.
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
When you see a chem cloud that comes directly out of Logan International airport in Boston Ma, and stretches all the way down past braintree, dedham, walpole, foxboro, mansfield, attleboro and right into Rhode Island, one can only use deductive reasoning.

You mean a flight which came from the direction of Logan airport? Why would you conclude it took off from there? Aren't there airports beyond Logan from where you are observing?
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
Ad hominem. Please attack the evidence and not the character of the person presenting the evidence.

Seriously? The evidence is what is written in the title. Please explain what it means. What I said has nothing to do with the character of the vid poster.
 

Vindog

Member
Hama neggs, no offence bro, but do you know what a misunderstanding is? and haveyou counted how many times I said I misunderstood you?
 

Vindog

Member
You mean a flight which came from the direction of Logan airport? Why would you conclude it took off from there? Aren't there airports beyond Logan from where you are observing?
Would a plane that had taken off north of logan Fly directly over the airport, lower its elevation as it did so and then re elevate after clearing logan? No i dont think so. I told you, I have seen the planes leave logan with my own eyes, and almost immidiatly begin to emit the chemtrail, which then proceeds to form all the way down to at least rhode island.
 

Vindog

Member
so i think i was watching this video from that same youtube poster on a different internet tab when i mentioned the black dust. that is my mistake.

 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
I told you, I have seen the planes leave logan with my own eyes, and almost immidiatly begin to emit the chemtrail,

We are going in circles. This is HYPERBOLE which, if true, would be reflected in hundreds of images on internet conspiracy sites where they post "evidence of chemtrails". Why don't you show JUST ONE image or vid of this happening?
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
so i think i was watching this video from that same youtube poster on a different internet tab when i mentioned the black dust. that is my mistake.


I will watch that IF you specify what time and location in the frame you say is the best example of what you are talking about.
 

SR1419

Senior Member.
Would a plane that had taken off north of logan Fly directly over the airport, lower its elevation as it did so and then re elevate after clearing logan? No i dont think so. I told you, I have seen the planes leave logan with my own eyes, and almost immidiatly begin to emit the chemtrail, which then proceeds to form all the way down to at least rhode island.

Hi Vindog...


There are a lot of variables involved - planes, altitude, temp, humidity, memory, history, etc...

Have a look through here and then let us know what questions you have:

www.contrailscience.com
 

Vindog

Member
Then why are you saying that *I* should pay better attention?
Because i have told you repeatedly that I misunderstood you, but you keep harping on that one mistake that i made? IDK....

Can I upload my own video from a Scandisk drive w/o putting it on youtube?
 

Vindog

Member
I will watch that IF you specify what time and location in the frame you say is the best example of what you are talking about.
Well first of all, you can see it clear as day on the Thumbnail Image, but sure, let me do the work for you, and find the best time to see it while actually watching the video.

Yup, just as I suspected, you can see it clear as day in the entire video this video, but if you desire a good timestamp, i would say anywhere between 15 seconds, and 30, when you can use the plane and contrail in the background as contrast.
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
Well first of all, you can see it clear as day on the Thumbnail Image, but sure, let me do the work for you, and find the best time to see it while actually watching the video.

Yup, just as I suspected, you can see it clear as day in the entire video this video, but if you desire a good timestamp, i would say anywhere between 15 seconds, and 30, when you can use the plane and contrail in the background as contrast.

It is simply darker clouds beneath lighter ones, with the upper clouds being lit by the sun and the lower ones not being lit. The dark stuff is not "dust".

PS: If you look at 1:40 you can see that the cloud cover is thick at the horizon and that is blocking the sun from the nearer low clouds because the sun is low in the sky.
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
Because i have told you repeatedly that I misunderstood you, but you keep harping on that one mistake that i made? IDK....

Can I upload my own video from a Scandisk drive w/o putting it on youtube?

I have no idea. What is your vid intended to show? Is it of planes taking off from Logan and almost immediately leaving trails?
 

Vindog

Member
It is simply darker clouds beneath lighter ones, with the upper clouds being lit by the sun and the lower ones not being lit. The dark stuff is not "dust".

PS: If you look at 1:40 you can see that the cloud cover is thick at the horizon and that is blocking the sun from the nearer low clouds because the sun is low in the sky.
Thats what you're going with? Darker Clouds? C'mon guys, I came here to try to get some good information, as someone opened my eyes to this site. I'm not so sure this is a very good site for getting any kind of "good" information anymore...

You're whole argument hinges on the fact that you have pictures dating back 70 years of contrails behaving this way, but nowhere do your sources tell you where the pictures were taken, or what the atmospheric conditions are. You also use the argument that my memory is fallible...really? REALLY? So 10-20 pictures explains away why my sky is covered by chem clouds when it never used to be? I dont think so guys. You are really really reaching at this point. Again, I do need to stress that I am not denying that it is possible for a CONtrail to behave like a CHEMtrail, but that is not what is happening today. Today, you have CHEMtrails behaving like CHEMtrails.

This video is my own, and sadly to say, my commentary is not much better than the last gentleman's. In this video, every single straight "cloud" that you see was produced by an airplane. When the camera is facing the sun (at sunset so you can tell it is travelling N to S) the big dark "cloud" at the bottom of the horizon is the one that I say goes from Logan to Rhode Island.
 

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Belfrey

Senior Member.
so you are all saying that your argument is that there are pictures from the past, and that my memory is wrong....great argument...
Vindog, your posts and associated discussion will probably be split off of this thread by the mods, because they are generally not on the thread's topic. (They will probably also be placed in "Rambles" because they don't follow the posting guidelines.)

But while it's here in the thread about 70 years' worth of books on clouds, let me bring it on topic for a minute. You say that you clearly remember contrails as always dissipating quickly when you were younger. Like many other people, I just as clearly remember that sometimes they persisted and spread into linear clouds. We could argue about whose memory is more accurate, but there's no point - because in the beginning posts of this thread, there is ample documentation that persisting contrails are nothing new. (See also the pre-1995 persistent contrail archive thread for many more examples.)

We all tend to think of our own memories as perfectly accurate, but scientists who study memory know that they are amazingly fallible and malleable. That's an interesting topic in itself.
 

Vindog

Member
Again, sorry for my own crappy commentary on this video. This was taken after leaving the parking lot from the last video.
 

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Vindog

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Vindog, your posts and associated discussion will probably be split off of this thread by the mods, because they are generally not on the thread's topic. (They will probably also be placed in "Rambles" because they don't follow the posting guidelines.)

But while it's here in the thread about 70 years' worth of books on clouds, let me bring it on topic for a minute. You say that you clearly remember contrails as always dissipating quickly when you were younger. Like many other people, I just as clearly remember that sometimes they persisted and spread into linear clouds. We could argue about whose memory is more accurate, but there's no point - because in the beginning posts of this thread, there is ample documentation that persisting contrails are nothing new. (See also the pre-1995 persistent contrail archive thread for many more examples.)

We all tend to think of our own memories as perfectly accurate, but scientists who study memory know that they are amazingly fallible and malleable. That's an interesting topic in itself.
While I appreciate your concern, Im not seeing how its off topic. The topic of this thread is about there being a "history" of contrails that dates back 70 years, and that that "debunks" chemtrails.... Im here to argue to other side of that statement...that (i cannot stress this enough) while i understand that a contrail can behave like a chemtrail, that does not explain why the behavior of "contrails" has changed over MY area of the planet over the last 20 years..... 20 years ago, you did not have a chem cloud stretching from logan to rhode island... 20 years ago you did not have "contrails" dissipating enough to blanket the entire sky horizon to horizon in South Eastern MA on any given day of the year. It just did NOT happen here. Maybe it did where you are...but it most certainly did not where I was... I am talking about My own personal experience with the history of contrails in my area, and I want answers for that...Im on topic bro.
 

Landru

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Staff member
While I appreciate your concern, Im not seeing how its off topic. The topic of this thread is about there being a "history" of contrails that dates back 70 years, and that that "debunks" chemtrails.... Im here to argue to other side of that statement...that (i cannot stress this enough) while i understand that a contrail can behave like a chemtrail, that does not explain why the behavior of "contrails" has changed over MY area of the planet over the last 20 years..... 20 years ago, you did not have a chem cloud stretching from logan to rhode island... 20 years ago you did not have "contrails" dissipating enough to blanket the entire sky horizon to horizon in South Eastern MA on any given day of the year. It just did NOT happen here. Maybe it did where you are...but it most certainly did not where I was... I am talking about My own personal experience with the history of contrails in my area, and I want answers for that...Im on topic bro.

You have provided zero evidence to support your claims. You have said there are a thousand pictures of planes leaving chemtrails from takeoff yet cannot produce one.
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
Thats what you're going with? Darker Clouds? C'mon guys, I came here to try to get some good information, as someone opened my eyes to this site. I'm not so sure this is a very good site for getting any kind of "good" information anymore...

"Going with"? What does that mean?

What evidence do you have that the black stuff is "dust"? Is it simply because it looks sort of like dust might look? OK... let's explore your idea... how many planes do you imaging it would require to deposit that much "dust" across the sky? How did the "dust" get from the thin WHITE lines the vid maker is pointing out, high in the sky, to being the kind of DARK formation we see?

You're whole argument hinges on the fact that you have pictures dating back 70 years of contrails behaving this way, but nowhere do your sources tell you where the pictures were taken, or what the atmospheric conditions are.

What difference does location or atmospheric conditions make? Persistent trails existed. YOUR entire claim seems to be that you don't remember EVER seeing them when you were young, right?

You also use the argument that my memory is fallible...really? REALLY?

Yes, really. Memory of such things is notoriously fallible after a few decades. It certainly isn't solid evidence. Why do you feel we should take your memory so seriously?

So 10-20 pictures explains away why my sky is covered by chem clouds when it never used to be?

You persist in utilizing hyperbole. There are WAY more than 10-20 pictures of persistent contrails from when and before you say you never saw them.

"...my sky is covered by chem clouds..."

This is a conclusion you have jumped to, not something you have shown evidence for.


I am not denying that it is possible for a CONtrail to behave like a CHEMtrail, but that is not what is happening today.

You are making another conclusion, based on a lot of false suppositions you seem to have adopted as "fact".


Today, you have CHEMtrails behaving like CHEMtrails.

See above.


This video is my own, and sadly to say, my commentary is not much better than the last gentleman's. In this video, every single straight "cloud" that you see was produced by an airplane. When the camera is facing the sun (at sunset so you can tell it is travelling N to S) the big dark "cloud" at the bottom of the horizon is the one that I say goes from Logan to Rhode Island.

I'm not going to download that. Maybe you can put it online somewhere?
 

Vindog

Member
You have provided zero evidence to support your claims. You have said there are a thousand pictures of planes leaving chemtrails from takeoff yet cannot produce one.
Landu, If you knew how to read, and had basic comprehension skills, you have noticed that I have probably said like 5 times now AT LEAST that when I said that, that it was a misunderstanding of what Hamas was saying...When I said that there were thousands of pictures online, i was referring general pictures of Chemtrails, and not ones of planes leaving logan...I mean, i have taken the time to clear up this misunderstanding at least 5 times now, but you still cant see that....as much as i hate ad hominem attacks, Im really questioning why I am having this conversation with people who cannot understand that simple mistake....

You say I have not produced any evidence of my own, yet not one person has viewed the videos I uploaded that are my own. The first video was shot at 300 Grove St Braintree MA, as I stated in the video (but you wouldnt know that). That location is only 11.35 miles from Logan International Airport as the crow flies, so yeah, that is evidence there bucko. But you wouldn't know that since you didn't even look at the evidence I gave.
 

Vindog

Member
I think its funny some of you are saying i havent produced any evidence, yet no one has viewed the videos I uploaded...Now whos jumping to conclusions?
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
The topic of this thread is about there being a "history" of contrails that dates back 70 years, and that that "debunks" chemtrails....

No. What it debunks is the claim that contrails never persisted until some recent date, like the mid 90s or 2002 or something like that. There is actually precious little agreement between chemtrail believers as to when "it all started".


20 years ago you did not have "contrails" dissipating enough to blanket the entire sky horizon to horizon in South Eastern MA on any given day of the year.

I already asked you this, maybe twice. Why don't you answer? Repeat: Can you think of any particular reason why the exhaust from aircraft engines would have behaved any differently over MA than anywhere else?



I am talking about My own personal experience with the history of contrails in my area, and I want answers for that.

You want people here to get excited about something you say you remember, from many years ago, and have zero evidence for. Present some evidence... that's kinda what gets respect here. Surely you can understand that.
 

Belfrey

Senior Member.
You say I have not produced any evidence of my own, yet not one person has viewed the videos I uploaded that are my own.
I tried to download it, waited 7 minutes for it to complete and then got an error message. :(

So far, basically what you've said is that you remember that contrails always dissipated quickly in your area 20 years ago. But there is ample documentation that contrails often persist for hours, and have done so for as long as there's been high-altitude aircraft. And there's no reason to think that this would have been different for your area in particular (as opposed to, say, Upstate NY - where I grew up), so there's no reason for anyone else to work from the presumption that your memory is accurate about this.
 

Vindog

Member
I already asked you this, maybe twice. Why don't you answer? Repeat: Can you think of any particular reason why the exhaust from aircraft engines would have behaved any differently over MA than anywhere else?
No i cannot...why do you think im here asking why Its different now than it was 20 years ago.....
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
No i cannot...

Then why do you imagine that your memory is accurate or relevant when there is such a vast public record of a history of persistent contrails?

why do you think im here asking why Its different now than it was 20 years ago.....

I think you are asking because you believe you have witnessed something unexplained. The way you phrase this question, I can answer it. There has been a large increase in commercial aviation over the last 20 years and also changes in engine design. This explains why there are more trails and, therefor, persistent trails now than there were 20 years ago.
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
Maybe we should go with this persons memory from when they were using mind altering substances wich also in turn affects your memory....

You're being obtuse and are back to implying that persistent contrails didn't exist years ago. Do you admit they existed or not? If you do, what is the point of telling us that YOU don't remember them? There are plenty of people who DO remember them.
 

Vindog

Member
Yolast post is in violation of the politeness policy.but that is not what you said. You have provided no evidence to support your claim of chemtrails. Bring evidence or go home.
I have posted 2 of my own videos w/ evidence....view them....and also dude...Im already at home...
 

Vindog

Member
Well landu, [...]. Nothing about my videos is normal. Nothing about the other 2 videos is normal. [...]

Landu, since you say they are Normal contrails, maybe you could enlighten me what a Not normal contrail would look like?
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
Well landu, [...]. Nothing about my videos is normal. Nothing about the other 2 videos is normal. [...]

Landu, since you say they are Normal contrails, maybe you could enlighten me what a Not normal contrail would look like?

You are making the claim. Describe what you find abnormal about them. Compare them to older photos of contrails.
 
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