Timeline of Porter Goss 9/11 clip - After the Pentagon Attack

AdanBravo18

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[Admin note: The Clip is from after the plane hit the Pentagon, and was taken at the Capitol, three miles away]

I cannot find much info on this Porter Goss clip, but from what I understand, it is from National Geographic and is the only known audio of Flight 77 (which crashed into the pentagon). In the clip, you hear an explosion or a loud bang of some sort which puts the crowd into an obvious panic, and then seconds after you hear some sort of jet engine fly over. Unfortunately, the clip cuts off right as the engine sound can be heard. Can anyone explain or "debunk" this? The truther in me wants to proclaim this as the smoking gun but what's more important than any of that is getting the facts right so that is why I came here. Wouldn't the jet engine sound be heard before the bang? I don't know if this can be explained by the way sound travels or with that loud bang being something like a dump truck. The fact is I simply don't know. Any help on making sense of this clip would be greatly appreciated.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQY5PSmZFq8
 
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Trailblazer

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Based on the timeline in this article in Time magazine, I don't see how it can be the Pentagon attack.

Porter Goss says that he was still inside the Capitol building when the Pentagon was hit. The press conference occurred afterwards, when there were fears that the Capitol could be next to be attacked.

 

SR1419

Senior Member.
[Admin note: The Clip is from after the plane hit the Pentagon, and was taken at the Capitol, three miles away]

I cannot find much info on this Porter Goss clip, but from what I understand, it is from National Geographic and is the only known audio of Flight 77 (which crashed into the pentagon). In the clip, you hear an explosion or a loud bang of some sort which puts the crowd into an obvious panic, and then seconds after you hear some sort of jet engine fly over. Unfortunately, the clip cuts off right as the engine sound can be heard. Can anyone explain or "debunk" this? The truther in me wants to proclaim this as the smoking gun but what's more important than any of that is getting the facts right so that is why I came here. Wouldn't the jet engine sound be heard before the bang? I don't know if this can be explained by the way sound travels or with that loud bang being something like a dump truck. The fact is I simply don't know. Any help on making sense of this clip would be greatly appreciated.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQY5PSmZFq8
He is clearly talking about the attack..so, it cant be flight 77
 

AdanBravo18

New Member
He is clearly talking about the attack..so, it cant be flight 77
I thought he was addressing the WTC attacks but yeah his statements would make more sense if the Pentagon had already been hit. Didn't part of the Pentagon collapse after it was hit? If this is after Flight 77 hit, then I guess the collapse could account for the large bang. And I know there were tons of fighter jets in the air after all major events had passed, so could the engine just be a fighter jet passing over? If only the footage didn't cut off at the worst time.
 

Oystein

Senior Member
To illustrate what the admin note claims - that Goss was 3 miles away from the Pentagon, here is Google Maps (German language, excuse me) measuring distance from impact location of AA77 into the Pentagon to the center of the Capitol lot. The line I drew is 2.93 miles, I don't know exactly where the Porter Goss interview would have taken place, but that's insignificant imprecision. The plane came from the far side of the Pentagon. It's unlikely it would have been heard. Not sure the crash would have been heard so loudly.

Map_DistancePentagon2Capitol.jpg

Didn't part of the Pentagon collapse after it was hit? If this is after Flight 77 hit, then I guess the collapse could account for the large bang.
The collapse would have produced a drawn-out rumble, not a singular bang.

And I know there were tons of fighter jets in the air after all major events had passed, so could the engine just be a fighter jet passing over? If only the footage didn't cut off at the worst time.
Have you considered the possibility of sonic boom by a fighter plane?
Yes, NORAD established a CAP (Combat Air Patrol) over Washington DC. The first 3 fighters arrived at 10 am sharp, and there would be fighters in the area constantly for a while.
Not sure at this time what altitude and what patterns they would be flying, and why some would go supersonic.

This goes beyond the scope of this thread, but maybe you'll find interesting this series of videos about the military and civilian response to the hijackings, by Miles Kara, who was on the 9/11 Commission Staff, Team 8, interviewing NORAD, the FAA etc, and who has, years later now, put his knowledge and data into this series:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAEzqIDihiaDgeCLlOPb2iw
The 3rd- and 2nd-most recent videos detail the scramble of the Langley fighters (ending in estrablishing the CAP), and the activities of a group of fighters out of Andrews that volunteered to add defensive capacity over DC.
 

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