jackfrostvc
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Probably the idea of it being the gardener could well be true
I always thought that reminded me of the spaceships in Delta Space Mission, which was on TV later that afternoon on the 16 Sept.
I'm not sure what a "Hostess trolley" is
Just a modest-sized trolley, often with shelves, usually used for serving snacks/ drinks in the home. Don't know what the American term is!
There are more elaborate cabinet types, some capable of keeping food warm a bit like mini versions of airline catering carts.
If my family is anything to go by, they're not often used as intended- perhaps at Christmas/ New Year or if special guests are expected.
Other times, they usually acquire pot plants or maybe a fruit bowl, loose change/ assorted small items and serve as somewhere to leave car keys.
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There might have been "something out there" that initiated subsequent events, but around half of the children present saw nothing unusual at all.
Didnt one of the kids in a documentary say it was him that started the whole thing by pointing to a shiny rock or something.
Feasable?
B. What are the odds of that happening out in that random area?
Just stating that there were puppet shows in the country of Zimbabwe is a lot different than one being in that random area. It's a small portion of a big country.
It would be helpful if people questioning how each theory lines up with what the kids said if they provided the exact quote they are referring to. As I asked @Z.W. Wolf to do earlier. As mentioned above Charlie Wiser has transcribed every word of the available interviews: Here: https://threedollarkit.weebly.com/ariel-school.html. The data (what there is of it) is there to be interrogated.What about the kids that said...
I think to be consistent we have to apply all the same arguments about source-monitoring, false memories, confabulation, etc to Dallyn's testimony. Just because he's countering the extraordinary narrative with an ordinary one doesn't mean he's correct.I don't think it's feasible, although there may well have been a shiny rock. I corresponded with Dallyn Vico and some of what he said didn't add up or was self-contradictory.
From another interview he did, he has religious-infected paranormal beliefs that seem to influence how he interprets the universe, and thus that incident.
It varies. The observations of the shiny light (the UFO) are 100m+ (Hind estimates 100-200m in her book).I am still unsure about the actual distance between the kids and the "aliens". Is it 100m or 10m? Or very much further? It does play a big role in being able to be sure you see something out of the ordinary.
That's understandable; if there's nothing to be seen, there's nothing to be said. End of "interview". The interviewers have no further interest, because they want to hear from those who DID see something.I've never seen an interview with any child who said they saw nothing unusual at all.
This is a feature of the fact that you get rewarded with attention if you say you saw something extraordinary. When you combine this with the fact that the children were not separated from each other before recounting what they saw and you get a big incentive to augment your memory a bit. Children will do this without even realizing and without any prompting.I've never seen an interview with any child who said they saw nothing unusual at all.
Might such children be screened out of the interviewing process? As an example, I don't recall ever having seen an interview with somebody who was looking the other way and did not see the plane crash, car wreck, etc... they interview the ones who say they saw it all!I've never seen an interview with any child who said they saw nothing unusual at all.
That they were encouraged in their beliefs is also surprising. I think they have been let down in a remarkable and damaging way.The fact that people believe alien spaceships landing one time to deliver an important message to powerless children and then never return is more likely than children confabulating or being mistaken and letting hysteria run away with them is surprising to me.
From looking at Hind's interviews the moment any kid gets a bit iffy she either asks a leading question or just moves on to the next child.Maybe those children were less likely to be interviewed.
(Edited to add: @JMartJr beat me to it).
I've never seen an interview with any child who said they saw nothing unusual at all.
...another witness, Salma, said in an interview a few years ago that "half of the playground had no experience at all."
UFO Afrinews 11, February 1995, PDF attached in post #201.External Quote:Guy, who was self-assured and the most articulate (of those interviewed)... ...The tragedy of Guy's story is that when he went home, neither of his parents, though admitting that he did not normally tell lies, would believe his story. ...What a frightening indictment of our society that when we are confronted by something we don't understand, we don't even open our minds to the event.
There's a couple of parents in a very short clip in the Sightings episode from '95. They don't say much.we have few accounts from the parents
I continue to respectfully disagree. There clearly was something unusual seen and heard that day. I think to say otherwise requires greater complication, a mass shared delusion + (pick your favorite psychological diagnosis) and/or a conspiracy to lie to all the adults. This is less parsimonious than there being something unusual that they actually saw and heard yet misinterpreted because it was "UFO week."It must be a significant possibility (IMHO) that there wasn't anything unusual to be seen.
...if someone (alien being or human) who wasn't expected to be there was 1 metre from a child during school break... ...She could have misinterpreted something large (puppet) and far away as something small and close up.
Emily T, claimed witness, speaking as an adult, quoted in blog Three-Dollar Kit, which has an excellent account of events;External Quote:All of a sudden they were in front of us. I'd describe them as being about an arm's reach.
https://threedollarkit.weebly.com/ariel-drawings.html.
(Three-Dollar Kit is well worth a good read, and is authored by Metabunker @Charlie Wiser).
Strangely, although adult Emily says she saw the aliens just feet away, she didn't draw any when the children were asked to draw what they had seen in 1994.
If we very generously give Emily T. an arm's reach of about 1m/ 3 feet 3", then even allowing for a bit of misremembering or poor distance estimation- let's say a factor of 10- the alien is still only 10 metres (32 feet 6 inches) away; roughly the length of a bus, well beyond an arm's reach but easily close enough to see in detail on a sunny 10:00 a.m. across modestly scrubby ground.
Unless...(Cue clip from Father Ted with Ted explaining to Dougal the difference between "small" and "far away")
We don't have every bit of video tape from the time, from Tim Leach, Hind or the ZBC, SABC interviews. What we've seen is what was edited for broadcast.
This is a feature of the fact that you get rewarded with attention if you say you saw something extraordinary. When you combine this with the fact that the children were not separated from each other before recounting what they saw and you get a big incentive to augment your memory a bit. Children will do this without even realizing and without any prompting.
That's understandable; if there's nothing to be seen, there's nothing to be said. End of "interview". The interviewers have no further interest, because they want to hear from those who DID see something.
The number of approx. 60 witnesses is widely quoted (including by Cynthia Hind), this appears to include children who reported a light or a vague shape or shapes, not just those who reported (sometimes very detailed) UFOs and beings.
-Just occurred to me, we have few accounts from the parents of those children saying that their child/ children told them about their extraordinary experience on that Friday or over the weekend- how many contacted school staff or the authorities?
(Cue clip from Father Ted with Ted explaining to Dougal the difference between "small" and "far away")
I don't think that can apply to something estimated to be within arm's reach in broad daylight, or even within, say, 5 metres.
There are several several common depth perception cues that we rely on, and binocular vision's role is sometimes overstated at the expense of others, but binocular vision is extraordinarily efficient within a few metres.
I don't think it's plausible that, e.g., a 2 or 2.5 metre-tall puppet at least 100 metres (328 ft) away might be mistaken for a 1.5 metre-tall being one, two or even five metres away.
External Quote:A small telepathic alien with a large head and eyes crash-lands in rural Africa, appearing, vanishing, then reappearing in the long grass of the bush in front of two boys.
Here's Salma's remarks clipped from James Fox's version in The Phenomenon.She was sitting alone when she said that (not in a group) which is probably also relevant. When interviewed in a group, the kids are less likely to attempt to get away with making something up that others can dispute.
The most likely explanation for Salma's contemporaneous description of being a meter from the being is that she was entirely making it up.
I think it is possible that, consciously or unconsciously, they all did.Entirely agree. I think it's possible other witnesses made things up.
The variation among the drawings of aliens is also striking. And, to my mind, indicates healthy active imaginations. Children have those.I find this image of school boys holding up their drawings of a UFO they saw interesting, because they all drew different things.
A while back you postedThe variation among the drawings of aliens is also striking. And, to my mind, indicates healthy active imaginations.
I think this might be significant....I can't recall, though, a kid who reported seeing BOTH bald aliens in black jumpsuits AND long haired aliens in polka dots.
(UFO Afrinews 12, July 1995, Cynthia Hind, PDF attached below; thought I'd already posted it but couldn't see it on a quick flick through).External Quote:
[Cynthia Hind] One of he boys told me that he thought at first the little man in black might have been Mrs Stevens' gardener, but then he saw the figure had long, straight black hair, "not really like African hair", so he realised he had made a mistake!
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Lisa P.: "...A man dressed in black came out. He had big eyes. I thought it was an alien and then I thought it was the gardener."
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Daniel M.: "I saw this silver thing among the trees, with one thing sitting on the side and another on top, Then they were running back and forth. It looked like a real person but it was quite plump. At first I thought it was someone from the compound (labourer's quarters) playing around, but his hair was not like the usual African hair- very curly and close to the head- it was almost like a hippy's hair, long and black."
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...Guy said: "He was quite lightish in colour, not black..."
(UFO Afrinews 11, Feb. 1995, PDF attached in post #201).External Quote:Some of the children saw a little man dressed in black on top of the large "craft". He was thin and skinny...
(Cynthia Hind in UFO Afrinews 11), which raises questions about her drawing.External Quote:Oriana: "I saw this black stick, a very thin, long thing on top of the silver thing."
But this is a homogenised alien, at best a composite, at worst a use of Guy N.'s description-External Quote:
Where the drawings were most consistent were in the description of the small entity the children had seen emerge from the craft.
He was approximately one metre tall, dressed in a shiny one-piece black suit similar to a wet suit. He had long black hair and a large head.
-while effectively jettisoning several others, and ignoring some (perhaps most) of the drawings.External Quote:
..a small man (about one metre tall) ...was dressed in a black, shiny suit (like a skin diving suit); that he had long black hair...
Also mentioned in David Clark's article is a case quite similar to Ariel school in that the kids saw something on a Friday and were asked to draw pictures of it on the Monday — having the whole weekend to think/be influenced about what they saw.
Daily Mail, 15 June 2024 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...n-UFO-sighting-drawing-military-50-years.html (text of article behind paywall).External Quote:A class of schoolboys saw this UFO and drew identical pictures to prove it.
...while also referring to Jim Schnabel's just-published Dark White: Aliens, Abductions and the UFO Obsession (1994) which she hasn't read (it is critical of Mack). In the editorial of Afrinews 11, Hind welcomes Mack's arrival in Zimbabwe to investigate the Ariel School events.External Quote:...Budd Hopkins, Dr. John Mack, David Jacobs and several others promote the abduction syndrome as a factual happening...
They're Cynthia Hinds words over the BBC archive footage. The video might be region locked but it's from here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-57749238I'm wondering if these screencaps (?) are showing comments by Mackie: From Giddierone's post #203:
No but this impression is given by those retelling the story. His purpose in Africa is questionable. His statements in his published words about it are unclear if contradictory. He already had a trip planned vs Ariel was the primary purpose.Mack doesn't appear to have visited Ariel School in a therapeutic role.
We also know that Mack's controversy was known in Zimbabwe. See newspaper clipping from The Herald from earlier in the year. https://gideonreid.co.uk/demystifyi...ass, 5 July 1994, p.5 of The Herald, Zimbabwe.I think it's fair to say Mack's views on UFOs were considered controversial even in 1994.
Limited colour crayon availability could also be the cause.Another source of diversity is the colour of the UFO
Hesemann had access to the original '94 drawing and also asked the children to draw pictures for him. These are most likely from his '97 visit.it isn't clear if the drawing was made c. Sept. 1994 or for Hesemann's film
This detail has always intrigued me. It's found in other occupant landing cases. It makes me think that Emma had prior conversation with Hind before she said this. If you go through Hind's UFO Afrinews, and look at earlier cases you start to see a picture of repeated motifs in UFO cases. As i've done here: https://gideonreid.co.uk/ufos-alien...t=Similarities With Ariel School Descriptionsvery, very shiny black
The psychological aftereffects are full spectrum. With Salma and others saying they were never afraid and others saying it was "fun" to Emily Trim's crushing existential angst lasting long into her adulthood (likely rooted in other experiences IMO).protracted unusual behaviour or any somatic symptoms
You may be interested to read How Children Portray UFOs, by Richard Haines and Linda Kerth. Journal of UFO Studies, No.4, 1992 (see attached PDF).We know that different eyewitness accounts of the same incident, given in good faith, can vary very substantially:
Lisa P.: "...A man dressed in black came out. He had big eyes. I thought it was an alien and then I thought it was the gardener."
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Daniel M.: "I saw this silver thing among the trees, with one thing sitting on the side and another on top, Then they were running back and forth. It looked like a real person but it was quite plump. At first I thought it was someone from the compound (labourer's quarters) playing around, but his hair was not like the usual African hair- very curly and close to the head- it was almost like a hippy's hair, long and black."
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(UFO Afrinews 12, July 1995, Cynthia Hind, PDF attached below; thought I'd already posted it but couldn't see it on a quick flick through).
In a later interview Hind again embellishes: "then a door opened and this little man got out" [Unexplained Mysteries ep. 25, from Sightings interview 1996]. No child said they saw a door opening or anyone getting out.External Quote:Well I saw a silver sort of thing, it was shaped [circles her finger], it was like lying down like this on the side. And I saw a black man, he was just in black, and he had big eyes... I thought it was an alien, and then I thought maybe it was the gardener or someone.
Later on, the kids did incorporate "like a diving suit" into the official narrative.External Quote:HIND: ...You saw this creature?
EMMA: Yes, he was very very shiny black.
Shiny black -
Shiny black.
- suit?
Kind of suit.
Would you say it was like an ordinary suit, was it like what Mr Mackie's wearing?
No.
Or what would you call the type of clothing?
[thinks] I'm not sure but he was really-
Have you ever seen the divers going in the sea?
Oh yes, like that.
Was it like that, or was it like an overall or a tight-fitting suit?
It was tight-fitting.
It was tight-fitting. And it was shiny.
Yes.
MUFON UFO Journal #320 (Dec 1994)External Quote:I had suggested to Mr Mackie prior to visiting the school and before the children had been interviewed, that he let the children draw what they had seen.
External Quote:MACKIE: We asked them to draw pictures of what they saw this morning, what they saw on Friday.
The TV Show's VisualizationExternal Quote:
"An eyewitness, Barry D., said that he had seen three flying objects with flashing red lights. They disappeared and reappeared almost immediately, but in another place. This happened about three times. They then came and landed near some gum trees; Barry said the main (object) was the size of his thumbnail held at arm's length."