The Age of Disclosure film

[Giddierone]

There is zero follow-up

Good point. It is exactly like a 2hr trailer contrived & edited for social media.
Can you imagine if someone like Werner Herzog did these interviews? Instead of clipped soundbites straight to an edit we might actually hear the question from the documentarian, the interviewee's answer then the camera lingers on them, and lingers, and lingers...

 

[jimmyslippin]

There's a really excellent thread by @NorCal Dave that covers the origin of AAWSAP and what followed. I wish I'd found it before giving my CliffsNotes version -> The Origins of AAWSAP

Pretty much everything happening in ufology today (that is being taken somewhat seriously) has direct links to Hal Puthoff, Robert Bigelow and Skinwalker Ranch.

 

[Calter]

First off, it may just as well have been titled, Lue Elizondo's Magical Mystery Tour because he is, far and away, the leading figure throughout the film.

I've heard this is the case a couple of times now and I have to say, with only knowing what Lue has been up to, it's hard to take anyone that would participate in the documentary seriously.

Lue has, just off the top of my head.

1. Confused a picture of a reflection on a window and presented it as a potential mothership on a paid event, despite having access to said picture for several years by his own account.
2. Confused a picture of two circular irrigation fields and presented them as a potential giant flying saucer.

Why would anyone just take his word for something when every time he shares something that can be verified, he is instantly proven wrong in less than 24 hours.

And why would all the other people in said documentary be in it if they are not content with Lue's track record? It's like watching a Bigfoot documentary and the leading figure has confused a tall man and a cardboard cut-out of a bear for Bigfoot already.

Towards the end of the film, @ 1:19:55 Eric Davis (another individual simply not fit for on-camera appearances) states quite boldly that "UAPs have exhibited propulsive performance characteristics that imply the generation of 1,100 BILLION watts of power. This is more than 100 times the daily electrical utility power generated in the U.S."

Cut immediately to Elizondo who, with great drama, repeats the above claim, verbatim, in order to add as much emotional emphasis to the point as they could possibly conjure up. Now, how did they actually arrive at such calculations? Who knows? Like so many other aspects of this cartoon narrative, the specifics of such are never addressed. Not even a little. The viewer is just supposed to accept these claims simply based on the emotional delivery. Welcome to Ufology 2025.

Elizondo has already made that claim in his book, which I haven't read but I remember the quoted number. The book says 1.1 trillion, but I guess 1100 billion sounded better for the documentary.

They performed acrobatics that would challenge any aircraft the radar operators had ever seen. They even popped up on the radar at 80,000 feet, where you begin to get into space, well above the normal envelope of aircraft, even military aircraft, with only a few notable exceptions, which include the U-2, the Blackbird, and the alleged Aurora. What's more perplexing was that the objects would drop from 80,000 to 50 feet in a fraction of a second, then go right back up. There is no aircraft made by humans that can do that.
The Tic Tac encountered by the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group exhibited propulsive performance characteristics that imply a propulsion system power generation/output of 1.1 trillion watts. That is more than 100 times the daily electrical utility power generation in the US. Simply put, that is the power required to do what these things do.

(bolden by me)

I assume the number comes from a funky calculation of taking the distance travelled, a small amount of time and a high mass.

 

[Chief Gleeby]

Here's a screencap from the movie that gets brought up quite often, 'The Legacy Program' being the shadowy group of agencies controlling who has access to the big secret. I'm no expert in the history of any of them or the military industrial complex, but how good are 'Defense Contractors' and the Department of Energy at keeping secrets?

 

[NorCal Dave]

Why would anyone just take his word for something when every time he shares something that can be verified, he is instantly proven wrong in less than 24 hours.

I wondered that too. I think part of it is timing. The film debuted at SxSW this past March and according to the Guardian article I mentioned up-thread, he spend 3 years working on it:

But Farah ran a tight ship over the three years it took to make the film.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/nov/22/age-of-disclosure-documentary-aliens?

So, if he started working on it back in 2022 and maybe was kicking ideas around even earlier, that would pre-date some of Lue's more recent gaffs. The book, Skinwalkers at the Pentagon pretty much shatters the NYT myth that Elizondo was running an official government UAP program called AATIP, but it had just come out in early 2022. Same with Steven Greenstreet's video that exposed the mixed up reporting in the NYT.

The way Farah describes AATIP, Elizondo, Stratton and others in the Guardian article suggests he's completely unaware of any of this or blatantly disregarded it all. He talks about Elizondo and AATIP in the same mistaken manner the NYT portrayed.

I wonder if Farah read the NYT article and went to Elizondo with that mindset? I imagine Elizondo did nothing to discourage the notion that he was in fact the head of an official government UAP program. Farah is still speaking of AATIP now in the incorrect NYT version, so if he still clings to that, Elizondo makes sense as the prime figure for the film.

 

[Mauro]

...The Tic Tac encountered by the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group exhibited propulsive performance characteristics that imply a propulsion system power generation/output of 1.1 trillion watts. That is more than 100 times the daily electrical utility power generation in the US. Simply put, that is the power required to do what these things do.

(bolden by me)

I assume the number comes from a funky calculation of taking the distance travelled, a small amount of time and a high mass.

It's also unclear how they can compare units of power (the 1100 billion W = 1.1TW) with units of energy. By the way, the US generate 11.2 TWh daily, according to Google AI).

 

[jarlrmai]

The stupid power figures probably (almost certainly) come from Knuth's paper:

https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/21/10/939

Where they basically take some reports of extreme UFO manoeuvres (Kevin Day's recollection of a RADAR screen) as verbatim assume some variables and then do some calculations

Senior Chief Kevin Day informed us that the Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) radar systems had detected the UAPs in low Earth orbit before they dropped down to 80,000 feet [23]. The objects would arrive in groups of 10 to 20 and subsequently drop down to 28,000 feet with a several hundred foot variation, and track south at a speed of about 100 knots [23]. Periodically, the UAPs would drop from 28,000 feet to sea level (estimated to be 50 feet), or under the surface, in 0.78 s. Without detailed radar data, it is not possible to know the acceleration of the UAPs as a function of time as they descended to the sea surface. However, one can estimate a lower bound on the acceleration, by assuming that the UAPs accelerated at a constant rate halfway and then decelerated at the same rate for the remaining distance as in (2) and (3).

Figure 3. An analysis of Senior Chief Day's radar observations. (A). The posterior probability indicates the maximum likelihood estimate of the acceleration to be 5600+2270−1190 g. (B). The accelerations obtained by sampling resulted in the most probable acceleration of 5370+1430−820 g while the mean acceleration is 5950g (black dotted line). (C). The power output of the UAP, assumed to have a mass of 1000kg, as a function of time indicates a peak power of about 1100GW.

So 1.1TW

 

[jdog]

I watched it. Twice, already. And so can you (it's available on Rumble. Sorry, not sorry.)

Any questions, fire away. But let me start with this: IMHO, I consider this to be, by far, the absolute worst film I've ever watched on the topic. I'm not even kidding. Considering the unwarranted levels of hype this preceded this laughable production, I've no inhibitions when it comes to laying waste to the absolute farcical nature of this comical collection of every unsubstantiated claim that we've all been subjected to for years now but simply repeated on yet another platform.

..

At my most charitable, I would say this film is a masterclass in obfuscation, sleight-of-hand, and deceptive editing. On that front, it really does shine. I'll elaborate more on this in future posts because, for now, I'd like to continue with some of the more absurd claims still remaining.

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I do have some more opinions, perspectives, and quotes from the movie to share, but I'll leave with that for now.
I'll post again tommorrow.

Cheers.

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So the real title should be "Age of Disclosure: Trust me, Bro"?

Farah has also made amazing claims in his press interviews about material that's not in the documentary, like knowing that the U.S. and USSR used nuclear weapons to bring down UFOs (plural), though he can't specify which tests were secretly for alien-hunting or how or why he knows.

Also unclear why Marco Rubio is supposed to still be a credible figure attacking federal secrecy about UAPs. As a senator he was vaguely and outsider and an advocate for some sort of transparency, but now he's Secretary of State and the administration he's part of controls all three branches of government and it doesn't seem to be a big deal for him anymore. (And since he has said he thinks UAPs are adversary technology, not NHI, his stance is actually diametrically opposed to some of the other interviewees he's positioned next to.)

 

[jimmyslippin]

Ok, a few notes:

1) No mention of the AAWSAP acronym. Jay Stratton makes a vague reference it to it when he mentions starting a project that became AATIP. He just completely skips past anything AAWSAP related. It is also clearly implied that Harry Reid's funding went to AATIP.

2) No mention of Skinwalker Ranch.

3) There is no new information here at all.

4) The film is mainly Lue Elizondo, Hal Puthoff, Eric Davis and Jay Stratton talking for really long periods of time, making numerous claims and asserting them as fact with no evidence whatsoever.

5) There is a really weird part with Puthoff and Davis which seems to be a commercial for a revolutionary spacecraft that's apparently on the cusp of development after supposed breakthrough theories regarding UAP travel. Instantly reminded me of the TTSA scam (oh look, all the exact same people!) and that time Joe Firmage emptied Brandon Fugal's pockets after Puthoff introduced the two to each other.

6) Elizondo is an Executive Producer and obviously had a lot of control over this production. Everything he says seems scripted and rehearsed. Stratton talks like he's reading directly off a teleprompter and somehow has less charisma than Mark Zuckerberg. Weird dude.

There's just nothing interesting here and legitimately put me to sleep the first time I tried to watch it.

Did the UAP Disclosure Fund pay for this film? Elizondo was on their board of directors and then left not long after this film was shown at SXSW.

 

[NorCal Dave]

'The Legacy Program' being the shadowy group of agencies controlling who has access to the big secret. I'm no expert in the history of any of them or the military industrial complex, but how good are 'Defense Contractors' and the Department of Energy at keeping secrets?

Calling regular government agencies a "shadowy group" is just mystery mongering. The US Air Force is part of the Department of Defense and has been around since just after WW2. The Department of Energy is it's own department and was established in the late '70s under the Carter administration. The CIA replaced the OSS and reports to the Director of National Intelligence. They all do lots of different things. They all have different secrets.

As for "Defense Contractors", which ones are we talking about? Lockheed Martin is always talked about, as they are the biggest contractor, but for years and years EG&G was a huge boogie-man in the UFO world. They were big contractors at Area 51/Groom Lake and therefor involved in things like reverse engineering crashed UFOs or taking care of the aliens. Ross Coulthart made a big deal about a UFO claim just a year or so ago and gave credence to the 2nd hand claim because the claimant had an EG&G patch as evidence. Like many defense contractors, EG&G no longer exists, having been swallowed up in various mergers, consolidations and private equity acquisitions . So their secrets have to be maintained by ever more different companies, some who just want quick profit.

Yes, these various entities can work together and keep some secrets for a limited amount of time. The CIA contracted Lockheed to develop the U2 and the A12/SR71 which were flown by US Air Force pilots from USAF bases. But that all eventually comes out, including the CIA illegal activities in the '60-'70s.

The UFO world would have us believe that on the one hand, all of these various government entities and assortment of ever changing contractors are full of people who are keeping UFOs secret, but paradoxically, there is a small cabal of nefarious individuals that control all the access to the same secrets. And remember we're not talking about a secret from a few years ago, rather these secrets have been kept for decades if not longer. David Grusch has suggested that the government has been retrieving UFOs since the Roosevelt administration, as in Teddy (1901-1909). So, back when the leading defense contractor was something like Newport News Shipbuilding. It's still around today, but is rarely mentioned as a contractor having crashed UFOs.

 

[JMartJr]

I assume the number comes from a funky calculation of taking the distance travelled, a small amount of time and a high mass.

My assumption differs -- I'd assume unless shown otherwise that they pulled it outta their (redacted) because they needed a big number that sounds really amazing.

 

[Giddierone]

More than an hour in some cases are mentioned and visualized:
Elsworth Air Force Base, South Dakota. A huge spherical object like a "mini sun," "the size of a Super-Wall-Mart building" above a missile blast door. (no date, time given).

A similar case from Missouri of a large rectangle seen over a missle base at Whiteman Air Force Base, "multi faceted, matt black finish, an oddly-shaped diamond, absolutely silent, no means of propulsion, 50ft up in the air...while we're watching this thing it shot off over the horizon...instant acceleration." (no date, time given)

Bob Jacobs' debunked claim that a UFO shot a missle down during a test at Vandenberg AF base.
For those interested Jeff Knox has put all the material in a thread on Twitter
Source: https://x.com/mrjeffknox/status/1702629860508913989?s=20


They follow with Robert Salas and his claims of UFO interference with nuclear missiles at Malmstrom AFB. [discussed here https://www.metabunk.org/threads/uf...mstrom-eagle-flight-skeptical-resources.3284/]

Jeffrey Nuccetelli (who spoke at the recent 2025 UAP hearing) —Vandenberg AFB - 14 Oct, 2003, "Giantantic red square object hovering in the air", later in the day they see something rectangular "as large as a football field" that shot off at "thousands of miles an hour."

 

[Jack Mallory]

Elizondo has already made that claim in his book, which I haven't read but I remember the quoted number. The book says 1.1 trillion, but I guess 1100 billion sounded better for the documentary.

They performed acrobatics that would challenge any aircraft the radar operators had ever seen. They even popped up on the radar at 80,000 feet, where you begin to get into space, well above the normal envelope of aircraft, even military aircraft, with only a few notable exceptions, which include the U-2, the Blackbird, and the alleged Aurora. What's more perplexing was that the objects would drop from 80,000 to 50 feet in a fraction of a second, then go right back up. There is no aircraft made by humans that can do that.
The Tic Tac encountered by the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group exhibited propulsive performance characteristics that imply a propulsion system power generation/output of 1.1 trillion watts. That is more than 100 times the daily electrical utility power generation in the US. Simply put, that is the power required to do what these things do.

(bolden by me)

Wait, that's a quote from Elizondo's book?
Curious, because that's the verbatim statement from Eric Davis in the film. So either Davis is simply reading the script handed to him from Elizondo, or Davis is one who originally came up with the stats but without attribution from Elizondo in the book. Either way, it's a perfect example of how this same cast of characters simply continue to quote and reference one another as part of an endless circle of reinforcement.

One of the other most revealing Elizondo quotes in the film doesn't occur until quite late in the production.

@ 1:47:28.
"I want to tell the American people what I know, but I can't because the vast majority of it remains highly classified." - Lue Elizondo

It's a shame that Dan Farah opted to leave that particular quote out of the trailer.

Imagine writing a book on the very subject, appearing in numerous documentaries about the subject, going on every podcast that will have you to talk about the subject, and making the rounds of major network TV shows to promote the topic. Yet within all of that, your stance is still, I can't tell you about the topic. This is truly Clown World.

 

[JMartJr]

From Giddierone's post above, some cases cited:

A huge spherical object like a "mini sun," "the size of a Super-Wall-Mart building"

...

"Giantantic red square object hovering in the air", later in the day they see something rectangular "as large as a football field" that shot off at "thousands of miles an hour."

It surprises me that they think talking about these "mega-UFOs" does not make their overall claims seem less credible. Sure, true believers will go along with whatever but if the goal is to convince the unconvinced, somebody that might think that something the size of a fighter jet might be bopping around undetected might also think that something the size of a Super-WalMart or a football field you'd expect would be noticed by a LOT more people.

 

[Calter]

Curious, because that's the verbatim statement from Eric Davis in the film. So either Davis is simply reading the script handed to him from Elizondo, or Davis is one who originally came up with the stats but without attribution from Elizondo in the book.

Neither option would surprise me

@ 1:47:28.
"I want to tell the American people what I know, but I can't because the vast majority of it remains highly classified." - Lue Elizondo

I saw that quote with more context on a reddit post the other day, and I had a chuckle reading it

I want to tell the American people what I know, but I can't because the vast majority of it remains highly classified. I feel tremendous pressure to share what I can because I know there will come a time where we all wish we had done things differently. That moment is imminent and when that moment comes, I know people will say, I wish somebody would have told me sooner.

I imagine being in the theater and going "He said the thing!" when he said imminent.

By the way, if someone is interested in quoting things from the documentary, someone shared a transcript on reddit.

 

[jimmyslippin]

Wait, that's a quote from Elizondo's book?
Curious, because that's the verbatim statement from Eric Davis in the film. So either Davis is simply reading the script handed to him from Elizondo, or Davis is one who originally came up with the stats but without attribution from Elizondo in the book. Either way, it's a perfect example of how this same cast of characters simply continue to quote and reference one another as part of an endless circle of reinforcement.

It's verrrrrry close. The exact statement from Davis is:
UAPs have exhibited propulsive performance characteristics that imply the generation of 1100 billion watts of power. This is more than 100 times the daily electrical utility power generated in the US. (1:19:55)

Compared to Lue's book:
The Tic Tac encountered by the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group exhibited propulsive performance characteristics that imply a propulsion system power generation/output of 1.1 trillion watts. That is more than 100 times the daily electrical utility power generation in the US.

 

[jarlrmai]

The source is Knuths paper as I mentioned above

 

[Jack Mallory]

On top of so many other absurdities, one of the most brazenly preposterous claims of the entire film is, once again, provided by Eric Davis with Hal Puthoff sitting silently at his side.

Consistent with nearly every other story told, there is no pretext to this tale, and literally zero follow-up. None whatsoever. It's just dropped into the narrative as if it randomly fell out of the sky, and then the film immediately cuts to an entirely different scene featuring Christopher Mellon fear-mongering about China. Seriously. That's the typical flow from this convoluted work.

If any aspect of this film warranted further scrutiny, you'd think it would have be this one. But nope. The audience is given no such respect or courtesy. I've included the quote in its entirety, as this one is well worth parsing out.

Eric Davis @ 49:13
"We have seen highly-credible U.S. government intelligence on the Soviet recovery of a crashed UAP in 1989. They recovered a tic-tac-shaped UAP that was twice as big as the tic-tac that was encountered by the U.S.S. Nimitz Carrier Strike Group, and they did recover four bodies of humanoid aliens. The Soviet scientist took apart the recovered craft, and discovered a very advanced directed-energy weapon."

And that's it! It reads like a children's sci-fi fantasy. The entire segment lasts barely more than 30-seconds, and then it's on to a completely different narrative.

I'm left with so many questions.

For starters, who is the "we" is this story? Can even a single, other person confirm any of this?
What defines "highly-credible" U.S. intel?
How was the size of the craft determined to be "twice the size" of the Nimitz tic-tac (especially since the Nimitz object was never actually recovered)?
(For that matter, why does Davis become overly-pedantic in referring to "the U.S.S. Nimitz Carrier Strike Group"?)
How were the Soviets able to "take apart" the tic-tac UAP, when (IIRC) Lacatski and others have claimed that U.S. scientist were unable to even breach similar craft?

Re: The supposed four alien bodies recovered:
Um, shouldn't such a revelation be the primary focus on the entire film, as opposed to the mere footnote that it's presented as?
Did any these aliens survive the crash?
Is there any description, whatsoever, of the physical characteristics of these aliens?
Because there's zero chance that such intel would somehow escape the Soviets without also including some of the most obvious details that would be of greatest interest.

Re: The "very advanced directed-energy weapon."
Well now, wouldn't that seem to be game-over if the Soviets somehow unlocked the workings of this imaginary weapon?
Did they get it to work?
If not, how did they arrive at the conclusion that it was a weapon at all?
Since that was now more than 30 years ago, have the Russians been able to put this alien tech to work in any fashion whatsoever?

Not to mention:
Of all things to have come across the desk of a U.S. intel officer, wouldn't this particular one fall under the highest possible secrecy clearance imaginable? Yet Eric Davis is somehow free to discuss this on film, while Elizondo supposedly fears for his life if he reveals too much of what our government knows? Grusch wouldn't even elaborate on Roswell during his JRE appearance, but Eric Davis can talk openly about a supposed incident from 1989 that would be far more relevant and potentially devastating if proven to be true?

Again, though, this otherwise-earth-shattering reveal is only accorded a mere 30-seconds of the film. Make that make sense.

 

[Ann K]

It surprises me that they think talking about these "mega-UFOs" does not make them overall claims seem less credible. Sure, true believers will go along with whatever but if the goal is to convince the unconvinced, somebody that might think that something the size of a fighter jet might be bopping around undetected might also think that something the size of a Super-WalMart or a football field you'd expect would be noticed by a LOT more people.

Having had recent vision problems myself, I wonder if the reason for single-viewer dark objects might be a literal blind spot. (Mine is very small but annoying, as it slows down my reading. Please excuse any misspelled words in my posts!) There is also the "iris-response" problem, in which a person who has been inside in bright light (in, say, a Super-Walmart) is temporarily blind when stepping outside into the dark; iris response tends to take longer with older people. There are also after-images, with which we are all familiar, which might explain many sightings such as Elizondo's "orbs"; I wonder how many unshaded light bulbs are in his house?

One suggestive factor for all those conditions is that the "object" can zip away at any fantastic speed you care to name, just by moving your eyes.

 

[Ann K]

And that's it! It reads like a children's sci-fi fantasy. The entire segment lasts barely more than 30-seconds, and then it's on to a completely different narrative.

That's reminiscent of the six-year-old's boast "Oh yeah? Well, I've got TWO ponies!"

 

[NorCal Dave]

On top of so many other absurdities, one of the most brazenly preposterous claims of the entire film is, once again, provided by Eric Davis with Hal Puthoff sitting silently at his side.

Story aside, it does clear for me who the "Chief Scientist" was for AATIP:

Which makes some sense, given that Elizondo was running AATIP and has claimed that Puthoff helped him with his remote viewing abilities.

I'm really shocked they used AATIP this much given what's now known. As for Davis, one can listen through his rambling claims before some gullible Congress people at Chris Melon's UAP Disclosure Fund Presentation, which also included Elizondo as the moderator. In the OP of the thread linked below one can find the link to the video, or one can read through my transcribed highlights.

In a nutshell Davis claims that the US, Russia and China have crashed UFOs, the Eisenhower administration acted to hide all UFO programs from Congress and FOIA requests (though Davis knows all about them), the hiding is done by the CIA and defense contractors (which again, Davis seems to know about), he was the main source for Leslie Kean's 2017 NYT story, he was the main source for Grusch whom he met through Stratton and a UFO that crashed in Italy in 1933 was subsequently brought to Wright-Patterson AFB, among other claims.

It gets almost farcical.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ua...ith-house-oversight-committee-may-2025.14218/

 

[Mendel]

@ 1:47:28.
"I want to tell the American people what I know, but I can't because the vast majority of it remains highly classified." - Lue Elizondo

He could've told the Intelligence and Armed Services committees of both houses of Congress at any time in the past 8 years, or AARO at any time. He hasn't.

I'm really shocked they used AATIP this much given what's now known.

Not enough people know.

 

[FatPhil]

It's also unclear how they can compare units of power (the 1100 billion W = 1.1TW) with units of energy. By the way, the US generate 11.2 TWh daily, according to Google AI).

Just divide by square fahrenheit to convert between the two.

 

[beku-mant]

Watched it. It was more centered on Lue and AATIP than I hoped. But there were some notable statements in it from high level officials I haven't heard from before. Take away was as expected. Demands urgent independent investigation to get to the bottom of it. I recommend we form a large diverse panel of trustworthy scientists and experts. Give them the security clearances to see all of the evidence. Make absolutely sure it's not just some of the evidence, has to be all. Put Roger Penrose, Terrance Tau, Avi Loeb, Mick West, Lisa Randall, Leonard Susskind, and some 500 others on it. Enough people with relevant expertise and public trust, that it covers all relevant domains of inquiry and sides. Split them into independent groups. Each group studies the evidence in depth, and then publishes the results of their assessment. The panels are updated or expanded regularly, and the independent investigations go on indefinitely.

 

[jarlrmai]

They pretty much did it, it's called AARO.

People just didn't like that there was not any aliens.

 

[Angatar]

To anyone that watched it (I will not): does Elizondo's psychic powers come up at all? Him torturing people in Guantanomo from the other side of the world with his mind?

 

[Giddierone]

Beyond the words spoken here the three camera setup here is really all you need to know about the film as a whole. It's not a documentary, it's propaganda.

 

[Gary C]

Another review on Skeptic.com

The Age of Disclosure is packaged and produced so well that naïve viewers may come away thinking that something strikingly original, shockingly new, and world-shaking is about to be loosed among the world, everywhere the ceremony of innocence drowned (Yeats, of course).

Alas, it is not to be. ...

Source (may require registration): https://www.skeptic.com/article/the-aliens-are-here-again-a-review-of-the-age-of-disclosure/

 

[NorCal Dave]

Beyond the words spoken here the three camera setup here is really all you need to know about the film as a whole. It's not a documentary, it's propaganda.

It's still the same old same old. They guys in the film know all this super-duper classified information even though it's kept from Congress and the president. It's a standard YouTube UFO video with big time production values. As a job site foreman I once knew used to say to me: "Davy, you can spend all day polishing a turd, but at the end of the day all you'll have is a shiny piece of shit."

 

[JMartJr]

Watched it. It was more centered on Lue and AATIP than I hoped. But there were some notable statements in it from high level officials I haven't heard from before. Take away was as expected. Demands urgent independent investigation to get to the bottom of it. I recommend we form a large diverse panel of trustworthy scientists and experts. Give them the security clearances to see all of the evidence. Make absolutely sure it's not just some of the evidence, has to be all. Put Roger Penrose, Terrance Tau, Avi Loeb, Mick West, Lisa Randall, Leonard Susskind, and some 500 others on it. Enough people with relevant expertise and public trust, that it covers all relevant domains of inquiry and sides. Split them into independent groups. Each group studies the evidence in depth, and then publishes the results of their assessment. The panels are updated or expanded regularly, and the independent investigations go on indefinitely.

We've had a lot of investigations over the decades, though none as large as you propose. The results have always been the same... it is disclosed that there is no real evidence of anything new and amazing. Would another such accomplish anything? Not that I'd be opposed, but I would not hope for anything much to come from it. It's been done. Repeatedly.

I suspect you'd also find that your group is too large to accomplish anything, but maybe I'm wrong. I guess it does not matter, since you and I don't have the ability to make anything like that happen.

 

[Scaramanga]

When I see these sort of films, I am reminded of the medieval witch craze, in which 'scholars' created huge treatises on how to identify a witch, and clerical conventions ( the medieval equivalent of Congressional hearings ) were held on how to educate the public. Even King James I got in on the act ( when he wasn't busy writing The Bible ), with an entire book on the reality of witches. It was one almighty bandwaggon...and people made money out of it too.

And 400 years later, it seems nothing has changed.

 

[beku-mant]

The results have always been the same... it is disclosed that there is no real evidence of anything new and amazing.

Tim Phillips from AARO said, "There are some spooky things in places they shouldn't be with performance characteristics we can't replicate today. So, what is it?" That's amazing.

 

[NorCal Dave]

It was more centered on Lue and AATIP than I hoped.

That's because it appears Farah bought the BS story of AATIP as it was written in the NYT. A story Davis claims to have been one of the main sources of. A story that had Elizondo running the US government's official UAP program, when he didn't.

Demands urgent independent investigation to get to the bottom of it.

What exactly in this rehash of old UFO stories and wild un-evidenced claims requires "urgent investigation"?

I recommend we form a large diverse panel of trustworthy scientists and experts. Give them the security clearances to see all of the evidence. Make absolutely sure it's not just some of the evidence, has to be all. Put Roger Penrose, Terrance Tau, Avi Loeb, Mick West, Lisa Randall, Leonard Susskind, and some 500 others on it. Enough people with relevant expertise and public trust, that it covers all relevant domains of inquiry and sides. Split them into independent groups. Each group studies the evidence in depth, and then publishes the results of their assessment

That's certainly ambitious! It assumes people like Susskind, Penrose, Tau and Randall are even interested in UFOs. We know Loeb and Mick are. It also makes a HUGE assumption that there is anything for them to look at. The director of the film said straight up, the only evidence presented is anecdotes from the people in the film. As I've noted many times before, it's pretty hard to study anecdotes.

The reality is, no one really cares that much. We have fun with UFOs here on an obscure forum. UFO enthusiasts attend conferences and Ancient Aliens Live shows. I attended the McMinnville UFO Festival last May where I rode my bike within 10' of Elizondo, and it was just a big carnival. Some Congress people are holding useless hearings, but in the grand scheme of things, nobody cares. That's why there isn't any kind of sober, thoughtful review of all these debunked claims. Rather it's a hyped up, over produced string of anecdotes we're told to take on faith because of who's sharing them.

 

[beku-mant]

What exactly in this rehash of old UFO stories and wild un-evidenced claims requires "urgent investigation"?

It was already urgent a long time ago. Some of the statements by some of the people in the doc just reiterate that urgency.

That's certainly ambitious! It assumes people like Susskind, Penrose, Tau and Randall are even interested in UFOs. We know Loeb and Mick are. It also makes a HUGE assumption that there is anything for them to look at. The director of the film said straight up, the only evidence presented is anecdotes from the people in the film. As I've noted many times before, it's pretty hard to study anecdotes.

Tim Phillips of AARO said they have hard evidence of things we can't replicate today.

Nobody should be forced to study the evidence if they don't want to. I think a lot of people will want to.

The reality is, no one really cares that much.

Speak for yourself. I think a lot of people care a lot. If we have to, lets have a pubic vote.

 

[JMartJr]

Nobody should be forced to study the evidence if they don't want to. I think a lot of people will want to.

It would be easy to test if people want to officially investigate all this again: produce the evidence of things we can't replicate today, or of spooky stuff here it shouldn't be, and see if anybody wants to devote time to it. If it is just the same old same old stuff trotted out again (and again and again and again) I'd bet interest among serious researchers would be nil. The folks over at Big UFO could prove that wrong tomorrow by actually bringing the evidence to the table and letting the cat sniff it.

If we have to, lets have a pubic vote.

There is no mechanism to do that, at least in the US.

 

[beku-mant]

It would be easy to test if people want to officially investigate all this again

It has never happened before. We've not had an independent transparent investigation of classified UFO evidence.

 

[Ann K]

The reality is, no one really cares that much.

There are some who do, but... the people who care are already all in the camp of UFO Believers.

It would be a massive boost to the career of a serious scientist in a relevant field of study if he were able to find positive proof (or even flimsy evidence) of aliens visiting earth. It would put him on the front page of every newspaper in the world, and in every book on the history of science. Great wealth and loud acclaim would come his way. One would think that many would jump at the chance, but no, none of them seem willing to touch that opportunity with a ten foot pole.

Why do you suppose that is? Because they're smart enough to know the odds are heavily against the discovery of such a revelation, and they're also aware that proving a negative is a fool's errand. They also know that the True Believers already have decided what they want to believe, and will ignore any evidence to the contrary.

It has never happened before. We've not had an independent transparent investigation of classified UFO evidence.

I've just explained why. That also presupposes that there actually IS any "classified UFO evidence".

 

[Mendel]

It has never happened before. We've not had an independent transparent investigation of classified UFO evidence.

Please read the AARO Historical Report Volume 1. We've had many investigation efforts before, and we had the question asked and answered whether it's worth studying them, and it's not.

The only thing the current research efforts aim at is to gain experience with multisensor setups so they can put a surveillance unit anywhere, and have AI identify everything it sees.

If you do not trust the government, you should absolutely decry these efforts. Instead they got you believing in Visitors, and develop that automated surveillance tech under your nose.

That's what you'll wish you'd done differently.
(Government surveillance is one of the subjects we had a genuine whistle blown on, if you remember.)

 

[Mendel]

Tim Phillips from AARO said, "There are some spooky things in places they shouldn't be with performance characteristics we can't replicate today. So, what is it?" That's amazing.

a) that's not an exact quote

b) "I want to know what it is, because I think it's an adversary capability. I think it comes from this world, not aliens."

c) https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ti...tence-of-anomalous-black-triangle-ufos.14278/

 

[beku-mant]

a) that's not an exact quote

b) "I want to know what it is, because I think it's an adversary capability. I think it comes from this world, not aliens."

c) https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ti...tence-of-anomalous-black-triangle-ufos.14278/

Technology that we can't replicate today, that's been around since at least the 40s, and we don't know who's it is or where it came from (or maybe someone does, but not AARO). That's the reality, as much as you'd like it not to be.

He doesn't think it's aliens, but that doesn't make the mystery go away. It might not be aliens. Or it could be. Or it could be both aliens, and our own technology derived from recovered alien technology. We don't know. You don't know.