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Newest Sighting of MH370 in Bengal Bay & Andaman Sea Area

David

Member
I don't know what to think of her story

Tonight is the first time I've actually really looked at it properly, and the questions in this thread have been what have encouraged me to explore what I saw. This thread constitutes the only record I have of it. If it helps to make sense of what happened, I'll be glad. If not, then nothing lost, except my credibility.

I'm not interested in media. I would prefer not to see any of them, it would unsettle the dogs. Plus we are currently couchsurfing while the boat is on the hard getting all the leaks fixed, and it would be just rude to our hosts if journos appeared on the doorstep. And all I have is, like you say, what's in my memory, and even I doubt the accuracy of that!
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A lot of useless information, seems like she loves telling stories.
 

Jason

Senior Member
This is the new gal stated sighting of a plane on fire in the area that night: http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f108/i-think-i-saw-mh370-127132.html
and strange enough: the area was near the Malaysia woman claimed she saw a downed airplane on the Andaman Sea.


I just don't see this as being a possibility. Mostly because the plane continued to fly well after it supposedly turned south, and if the plane crashed it's highly unlikely Inmarsat would've been able to communicate with the plane.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
It's like random people confessing to famous crimes. Not worth our time without some actual evidence.
 

zebra100

Member
Her story was suspicious at least but plane fire caused the whole plane impaired to disaster was not unheard of:
 

vooke

Active Member
What makes her story impossible, the supposed continuous pings from #MH370 for over 6 hours? They chased pings into the ocean and vowed they belonged to the FDRs. At that point in time, any skeptic was aksd to guess what else would give artificial sounds in the middle of nowhere. So, presently with this 'evidence' of over 6 hours worth of pings, what if they never came from #MH370?
 
Vooke, your understanding of the 'pings' are completely misguided. You're talking about 2 separate things here, let me explain this to you so you will no longer write erroneous things like your previous comment. There were handshake signals, also being referred to as 'pings,' that were picked up by Inmarsat. These were hourly packets of data recorded from the interaction between the plane, a satellite, and a ground station. These pings contained information on only the frequency shift of the plane relative to the satellite, and the time for the signal to get back to the ground station. These pings were heard hourly for 6 hours after the plane lost contact with radar, and analysis of this data led investigators to believe that the plane flew for 6 additional hours and most likely flew in the southernly direction. This combined with estimated groundspeed led them to search in the South Indian Ocean. The 2nd set of pings were initially heard once the search team started searching the South Indian Ocean, and were heard from underwater devices that pick up sounds from underwater. When planes crash, there black boxes emit signals which help the search team locate the black box. The search team picked up 4 different underwater signals, and initial analysis of the signals led them to conclude that they were most likely from the plane's black boxes. However, just a few days ago, all 4 of these underwater signals were completely discounted as having come from the plane. They are no longer part of the search evidence. So the only thing they are going with at this point in time are the Inmarsat handshake pings, which are a bit ambiguous in their own right. The search team is positive that the Inmarsat signals came from MH370, and these are the ones that were picked up for 6 hours. Just wanted to clear that up with you.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
Inmarsat ping = radio communication from the plane to a satellite (while plane in flight) - detected
Black box ping = audio beep from underwater locator beacon (after plane is underwater) - not detected, previous signals were a mistake.

The use of the term "ping" for these satellite communications comes indirectly from the audio version, via the computer network version.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping_(networking_utility)
Ping is a computer network administration utility used to test the reachability of a host on an Internet Protocol (IP) network and to measure the round-trip time for messages sent from the originating host to a destination computer. The name comes from active sonar terminology which sends a pulse of sound and listens for the echo to detect objects underwater

The ping utility was authored by Mike Muuss in December 1983 as a tool to troubleshoot problems in an IP network. He was inspired by a remark by David Mills on using ICMP echo packets for IP network diagnosis and measurements.[2] Mike named it after the sound that sonar makes, since its methodology is similar to sonar's echo location.
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zebra100

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In the very unlikely scenario that she really spotted the plane, would mean that the plane had some kind of smothering fire which impaired the whole crew and passengers and damaged certain controls(similar to the Valuejet plane in much less degree caused by the battery cargo? to a lesser degree also because of 777 got rid of hydraulic controls) but still capable of flying at an altitude much lower that previously calculated--which meant more air resistance, slower speed and more fuel consumption which would ending up way above of supposed crash site on the last Inmarsat ping arc. But in that case, was the fuel still could last that long(about 7 1/2 hours)? Maybe not.

And JACC(Aussie Search Center) is looking into her story now.
 
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Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
Vooke, your understanding of the 'pings' are completely misguided. You're talking about 2 separate things here, let me explain this to you so you will no longer write erroneous things like your previous comment. There were handshake signals, also being referred to as 'pings,' that were picked up by Inmarsat. These were hourly packets of data recorded from the interaction between the plane, a satellite, and a ground station. These pings contained information on only the frequency shift of the plane relative to the satellite, and the time for the signal to get back to the ground station. These pings were heard hourly for 6 hours after the plane lost contact with radar, and analysis of this data led investigators to believe that the plane flew for 6 additional hours and most likely flew in the southernly direction. This combined with estimated groundspeed led them to search in the South Indian Ocean. The 2nd set of pings were initially heard once the search team started searching the South Indian Ocean, and were heard from underwater devices that pick up sounds from underwater. When planes crash, there black boxes emit signals which help the search team locate the black box. The search team picked up 4 different underwater signals, and initial analysis of the signals led them to conclude that they were most likely from the plane's black boxes. However, just a few days ago, all 4 of these underwater signals were completely discounted as having come from the plane. They are no longer part of the search evidence. So the only thing they are going with at this point in time are the Inmarsat handshake pings, which are a bit ambiguous in their own right. The search team is positive that the Inmarsat signals came from MH370, and these are the ones that were picked up for 6 hours. Just wanted to clear that up with you.

Trying to catch up... Is there still any clear data indicating the plane went on the arc to the south as opposed to the north?
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
They still seem to believe that, but I'm not really sure if there's been an official statement on what the sonar pings were.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/03/world/asia/malayisa-airlines-flight-370-search/
The search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight continues to focus along an arc hundreds of kilometers long, the area where investigators believe the Boeing 777 ran out of fuel, about 1,000 miles off the coast of Western Australia.

Martin Dolan, the chief commissioner with the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB), the organization leading the search into MH370 at the request of Malaysia, says an international team of experts continues to review the analysis of Inmarsat satellite data and aircraft performance.

In a television exclusive, Dolan told CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront" he remains confident the final resting place of MH370 is somewhere along that arc, the so-called "partial handshake" with the satellite:

"We've seen all the data. We've seen all the calculations. We are reviewing the calculations and are also developing our own model to cross check and verify that information," Dolan told Burnett.

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vooke

Active Member
Vooke, your understanding of the 'pings' are completely misguided.

@ConspiracyAtheist,
From an investigator's perspective, both pings serve one purpose; narrowing down search area. They used both to arrive at the search locations. The supposed black box pings have NOW been completely discounted. I just raised skepticism at Inmarsat pings as well. Are they foolproof? Could they be completely wrong?
 
In the very unlikely scenario that she really spotted the plane, would mean that the plane had some kind of smothering fire which impaired the whole crew and passengers and damaged certain controls(similar to the Valuejet plane in much less degree caused by the battery cargo? to a lesser degree also because of 777 got rid of hydraulic controls) but still capable of flying at an altitude much lower that previously calculated--which meant more air resistance, slower speed and more fuel consumption which would ending up way above of supposed crash site on the last Inmarsat ping arc. But in that case, was the fuel still could last that long(about 7 1/2 hours)? Maybe not.

And JACC(Aussie Search Center) is looking into her story now.

for a plane under fire to cross malaysia undetected then fly itself around Indonesia on its own is highly unlikely scenario even if we take disappearance right after handover point out of equation, I'd give more probability to aliens

regarding her seeing, she might have seen MH370 or another plane but "glowing orange" it would burn out and fall quickly so who knows what she has seen there under stress (coincidence she also had marriage problems like the pilot heh)

Trying to catch up... Is there still any clear data indicating the plane went on the arc to the south as opposed to the north?

@ConspiracyAtheist,
From an investigator's perspective, both pings serve one purpose; narrowing down search area. They used both to arrive at the search locations. The supposed black box pings have NOW been completely discounted. I just raised skepticism at Inmarsat pings as well. Are they foolproof? Could they be completely wrong?

they have compared data to northern track and they don't fit, I believe their experts know what they do and come out only with something they are sure of because proving otherwise could very much damage reputation of the company
 
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