JD Vance Says UFOs Are Actually Demons

You don't need to rationalize interstellar travel or complicated physics or the lack of evidence -- you just need an evil genius that sometimes makes some people think they're seeing things.
But we know that some people are seeing things!
The thing on GIMBAL exists!
It's just not where and what people think it is.

And at that point the call is coming from inside the house: the people who make them think that these are aliens/demons/threats are the believers and the complicit journalists themselves.

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If you encountered the luminous balls described in this video, what would you think they were?
My immediate thought would be that people are very bad at judging motion and distances of context-less dots of light. A little over a year ago we heard many firsthand stories from people who believed they were seeing mysterious orbs fly just above the tops of trees or just over the ground or even below the tops of the trees, through a forest, or making rapid motions that were hard to physically explain, and it turned out they were seeing distant normal aircraft and misjudging the angles and distances to them. Even when it was pointed out that these mistakes were happening people still continued to insist that the witnesses couldn't all be wrong and some of it must have been real. Many of these witnesses even believed they saw these 'orbs' shapeshift from spheres into more defined aircraft that they insisted were not human-made aircraft they were familiar with. The reliability of eyewitness accounts like this is not good, and is not a good basis for drawing conclusions and factual takeaways from.

You can search for patterns among the eyewitnesses and you will find very close similarities. You can build up theory around the categories of things people report seeing and the timings and locations, and try to build a narrative that correlates it with places of interest or dates/times or world events, but this can all just be an illusion. The fact that multiple reports share similarities doesn't necessarily make their accounts more reliable, as in this case with the 'shapeshifting orbs', they were in fact seeing the same types of things at the same time, but, they were all primed to make similar kinds of misinterpretations by the (mis)information they'd been reading or seeing on TV.

The point I keep trying to make to people is you need to look at all the times people have described anomalous events, in which the factual evidence demonstrates that their description of what happened is either definitely, or very likely, incorrect. And the next time you hear an eyewitness account like it, you should consider all the times and ways similar accounts have been mistaken, and if there's no way to rule out those kinds of mistakes in this story, then it's very possible it is similarly mistaken. Descriptions of miracles or paranormal/"anomalous" events often share similarities because they often involve the witness similarly misinterpreting similar real things.
 
I find it consistent that someone who (I presume, I don't have quotes) believes in a pending rapture, could push a narrative of the fallen angels, or demons, appearing at the same time. Some in the spiritual (specifically christian) woo-o-sphere call this "the great deception". E.g. one random woo-meister (who coined the catchy phrase "when we go up [rapture] they show up [aliens]"):
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LA Marzulli: What JD Vance's UFO Interest Means for the Coming Great Deception

By Abby Trivett Aug 8, 2025

In recent months, the topic of UFOs—or unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs)—has surged into mainstream political and cultural conversations. Among the voices taking a serious look at these mysteries is Vice President J.D. Vance, who has openly expressed his fascination and concern over the growing evidence of unexplained objects in our skies.

As L.A. Marzulli shared, Vance discussed UFOs candidly on the Ruthless Podcast, acknowledging the many puzzling videos and reports that have emerged in recent years. "I haven't gotten to the bottom of it yet," Vance admitted, "but we're only six months into the administration." His comments reflect a growing political interest in uncovering the truth behind these phenomena, especially as they continue to appear in military and civilian airspace.

Marzulli, a prominent researcher and host known for his work on the supernatural and UFO topics, highlights Vance's involvement as a key moment in public awareness. Marzulli also issues a stark warning that goes beyond politics: UFOs represent what he calls the coming great deception, a spiritual and global event that many are not prepared for.
-- https://mycharisma.com/culture/la-m...nterest-means-for-the-coming-great-deception/

Apologies for any braincells lost reading that.
This is one of the reasons why Metabunk, in its own way, is important. These are the forces of 'unreason', superstition and irrationality, actually forces of barbarism, that have never changed. Humans haven't evolved one joe since we trembled in terror before a solar eclipse. Every skeptic is a bulwark against civilisational collapse. No pressure, people!
 
Okay.. Can they go up early? Oh, right, right. Nevermind. But isn't it the same problem with nuts 'n bolts UFOs? You go up, but where… unless some transformation happens to your body and you can fly somewhere. I dunno.. :rolleyes: What about drones and stuff? Ouch. But they say things will get really bad down here (worse).
I'm gonna go with just trying to help other animals and people, instead.
 
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If you encountered the luminous balls described in this video....

I wonder if they, and the other phenomena described, had anything to do with the son's almost classic description of sleep paralysis which he describes happening after the encounters. (I think we can think of the son as the primary witness). Perhaps similar episodes happened before.
I wonder if the investigators gave any consideration to the possible role played by sleep paralysis or some similar parasomnia.

From approx. 49 mins. 18 secs. into the video,
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Then he adds something else, hesitantly. He says he does not know how to explain it. At times, he says, the sleepiness morphed into a strange out of body experience, and he could not move, not an arm, not a finger, not a leg, nothing.

This would last a few seconds when it happened. This occurred mostly in the early morning, around four or five o'clock. Awake in bed, he would begin to drift. He would try to speak, and after a few moments he could no longer move. His body would not respond, but his mind remained clear, his awareness remained intact.

This happened two or three times. He said it felt as though his mind was outside his body. He tried to command his body, but could not. He was like someone dead, he says. Yet he was fully conscious, his limbs no longer obeyed him. The second time it happened, he was petrified. He remembers thinking, this time you are paralyzed. He tried to call out. He could not. He was blind [eyes closed?] mute, and limp.
All that remained was awareness. Asked whether this sensation involved his body, he hesitates. He says it felt as though he was floating above his body. He is asked whether he had the impression of seeing himself lying there. He answers no.

The family appear to have been "interviewed" as a group, so it's not a particularly systematic investigation. In the first few minutes of the video, there's a vivid account of the grandmother's testimony- she saw lights moving in June 1966, and is worried of the risk of fire, but as far as I can make out she doesn't say that the lights were flying, or describe anything extraordinary. The father's testimony to the investigators was subject to prompts/ interjections from the son. Even then, the father's account of six lights moving in (not above) a field 1-1.2 km away at walking pace might have a mundane explanation. The lights converge at a larger lit feature, and appear to merge (or perhaps they enter, or are extinguished on reaching the object).
When the narrator gets to talking about the mother's experiences, we find out that other family members are present:
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The investigators then turn to the mother of the family, who until now has said nothing... ...She answers that she did seee the lights, but no longer remembers clearly, adding that she is nearsighted. The father remarks that she is not particularly interested in such matters.

The original investigators seem to regard the son as the main witness;
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The events recorded up to this point reflect the unfolding of the 3rd sequence of the investigation. The witness [not witnesses] has given this account three times, first in a letter, then to Monsieur Dupand de Lagger Vier [Sic? YouTube subtitles] and finally to the investigators themselves.

While the essential facts and the core of the account are identical in all three versions, there are, as one would expect, differences in detail... ...the investigators do not attempt to catalogue these discrepancies.
...Throughout the investigation, the investigators had the constant impression that the witness [singular] was reliving his observations...
There is no clear reference to comparing accounts across the claimed witnesses, which would be difficult as they were probably interviewed together; the only cross-checking made is across the son's three accounts: And the investigators "do not attempt to catalogue" any "discrepancies".

It might be relevant that the son has gone full contactee, if he is the person identified as Robert L. / "Roro" by some French UFO enthusiasts, see "Rouen – CR N°16 : Robert L", Les Repas Ufologiques website https://lesrepasufologiques.org/com...ur-dans-une-base-extraterrestre-43-ans-apres/, which describes a "UFO dinner" at a restaurant in 2013, which Robert L. attended via Skype.

He has met at least three aliens (described as a guide, ethologist and biologist) several times, and was flown to their base, probably in the Himalayas. He spent some time there (a year?) and received alien teachings. Among these are: yoga good, nuclear explosions bad, free/ zero-point energy is available, the Apollo Moon landings might have been hoaxed and if they weren't they probably needed alien help to get back from the Moon, and were told to stay away, but the aliens don't mind us if we stick to Earth orbit.

Flown back to France in 1969 in an alien combat ship, he saw two French Mirage jet fighters follow them.
He wrote down the ID numbers visible on one, and there was a Mirage III in service with that number- we know this because one of the diners, familiar with Robert L's story, points out it's in a museum.
He is (or was) host to an alien symbiote (me neither). And that has something to do with eating salt and avoiding dairy.

Why the makers of the 1966: Something Moved Between Continents video chose to omit these further experiences of Robert L. is anyone's guess; they're at least as interesting, and more specific, as the 1966-1967 events, and they explain where the lights came from: They're caused by aliens (who are human) operating from a base in the Indian Himalayas.
It's almost as if the makers of the video aren't in favour of full disclosure :)

The same account of the 2013 dinner/ Skype call is given at the Freedom UFOs website, https://freedomufos.com/2013/10/27/...-dans-une-base-extraterrestre-43-ans-apres-2/ under the title (machine-translated) "16th UFO Dinner: Robert L., Stay in an Alien Base; 43 years later!"; this version also has copies of some of the teachings given to Robert L. (but as JPEGS, text in French).

Freedom UFOs also has a nice PDF detailing Robert's claims, https://freedomufos.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/year-long-stay-on-et-base.pdf

Carl Sagan wrote The Demon-Haunted World (1995, Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Demon-Haunted_World) in which he outlines a "baloney detection kit" to aid critical thinking and help us determine the truth about claims. Robert L.'s claims probably wouldn't fare very well if examined with Sagan's baloney detection kit.
 
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I'd wonder if they, and the other phenomena described, had anything to do with the son's almost classic description of sleep paralysis which he describes happening after the encounters.
I have had sleep paralysis a couple of times, and I was perfectly aware that it was happening. I could hear my husband tell the kids "Don't wake your mother", and I was completely unable to open my eyes or say "It's OK, I'm awake now". What I didn't have is what seems to be the essential ingredient in his account, somebody to persuade me of orbs or aliens or demons or mysterious encounters, someone to raise me who is steeped in UFO lore or other woo. People are suggestible, perhaps young people more than most.
 
I have had sleep paralysis a couple of times, and I was perfectly aware that it was happening.

I had one brief experience of this. Like (I think) your experience, there was no unpleasant or unusual imagery or perceptions, and I felt quite comfortable. Many people experiencing sleep paralysis seem to have "visions" of unpleasant/ anomalous visitors, though the nature of what they interpret them as has an element of cultural determination (the phenomenon is more widely recognised in some communities than in others, and some have specific names and descriptions for the "visitors", Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis).
I remember I wasn't sure if my eyes were closed or if the duvet was over my head.

Although "awake", when I fully awoke I thought it was strange that I hadn't been alarmed (e.g. hadn't been terrified I was experiencing a CVA), so perhaps some cognition wasn't operating as it would in a normal waking state (for which I was grateful).
 
I wonder if they, and the other phenomena described, had anything to do with the son's almost classic description of sleep paralysis which he describes happening after the encounters. (I think we can think of the son as the primary witness). Perhaps similar episodes happened before.
I wonder if the investigators gave any consideration to the possible role played by sleep paralysis or some similar parasomnia.

From approx. 49 mins. 18 secs. into the video,
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Then he adds something else, hesitantly. He says he does not know how to explain it. At times, he says, the sleepiness morphed into a strange out of body experience, and he could not move, not an arm, not a finger, not a leg, nothing.

This would last a few seconds when it happened. This occurred mostly in the early morning, around four or five o'clock. Awake in bed, he would begin to drift. He would try to speak, and after a few moments he could no longer move. His body would not respond, but his mind remained clear, his awareness remained intact.

This happened two or three times. He said it felt as though his mind was outside his body. He tried to command his body, but could not. He was like someone dead, he says. Yet he was fully conscious, his limbs no longer obeyed him. The second time it happened, he was petrified. He remembers thinking, this time you are paralyzed. He tried to call out. He could not. He was blind [eyes closed?] mute, and limp.
All that remained was awareness. Asked whether this sensation involved his body, he hesitates. He says it felt as though he was floating above his body. He is asked whether he had the impression of seeing himself lying there. He answers no.

The family appear to have been "interviewed" as a group, so it's not a particularly systematic investigation. In the first few minutes of the video, there's a vivid account of the grandmother's testimony- she saw lights moving in June 1966, and is worried of the risk of fire, but as far as I can make out she doesn't say that the lights were flying, or describe anything extraordinary. The father's testimony to the investigators was subject to prompts/ interjections from the son. Even then, the father's account of six lights moving in (not above) a field 1-1.2 km away at walking pace might have a mundane explanation. The lights converge at a larger lit feature, and appear to merge (or perhaps they enter, or are extinguished on reaching the object).
When the narrator gets to talking about the mother's experiences, we find out that other family members are present:
External Quote:
The investigators then turn to the mother of the family, who until now has said nothing... ...She answers that she did seee the lights, but no longer remembers clearly, adding that she is nearsighted. The father remarks that she is not particularly interested in such matters.

The original investigators seem to regard the son as the main witness;
External Quote:

The events recorded up to this point reflect the unfolding of the 3rd sequence of the investigation. The witness [not witnesses] has given this account three times, first in a letter, then to Monsieur Dupand de Lagger Vier [Sic? YouTube subtitles] and finally to the investigators themselves.

While the essential facts and the core of the account are identical in all three versions, there are, as one would expect, differences in detail... ...the investigators do not attempt to catalogue these discrepancies.
...Throughout the investigation, the investigators had the constant impression that the witness [singular] was reliving his observations...
There is no clear reference to comparing accounts across the claimed witnesses, which would be difficult as they were probably interviewed together; the only cross-checking made is across the son's three accounts: And the investigators "do not attempt to catalogue" any "discrepancies".

It might be relevant that the son has gone full contactee, if he is the person identified as Robert L. / "Roro" by some French UFO enthusiasts, see "Rouen – CR N°16 : Robert L", Les Repas Ufologiques website https://lesrepasufologiques.org/com...ur-dans-une-base-extraterrestre-43-ans-apres/, which describes a "UFO dinner" at a restaurant in 2013, which Robert L. attended via Skype.

He has met at least three aliens (described as a guide, ethologist and biologist) several times, and was flown to their base, probably in the Himalayas. He spent some time there (a year?) and received alien teachings. Among these are: yoga good, nuclear explosions bad, free/ zero-point energy is available, the Apollo Moon landings might have been hoaxed and if they weren't they probably needed alien help to get back from the Moon, and were told to stay away, but the aliens don't mind us if we stick to Earth orbit.

Flown back to France in 1969 in an alien combat ship, he saw two French Mirage jet fighters follow them.
He wrote down the ID numbers visible on one, and there was a Mirage III in service with that number- we know this because one of the diners, familiar with Robert L's story, points out it's in a museum.
He is (or was) host to an alien symbiote (me neither). And that has something to do with eating salt and avoiding dairy.

Why the makers of the 1966: Something Moved Between Continents video chose to omit these further experiences of Robert L. is anyone's guess; they're at least as interesting, and more specific, as the 1966-1967 events, and they explain where the lights came from: They're caused by aliens (who are human) operating from a base in the Indian Himalayas.
It's almost as if the makers of the video aren't in favour of full disclosure :)

The same account of the 2013 dinner/ Skype call is given at the Freedom UFOs website, https://freedomufos.com/2013/10/27/...-dans-une-base-extraterrestre-43-ans-apres-2/ under the title (machine-translated) "16th UFO Dinner: Robert L., Stay in an Alien Base; 43 years later!"; this version also has copies of some of the teachings given to Robert L. (but as JPEGS, text in French).

Freedom UFOs also has a nice PDF detailing Robert's claims, https://freedomufos.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/year-long-stay-on-et-base.pdf

Carl Sagan wrote The Demon-Haunted World (1995, Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Demon-Haunted_World) in which he outlines a "baloney detection kit" to aid critical thinking and help us determine the truth about claims. Robert L.'s claims probably wouldn't fare very well if examined with Sagan's baloney detection kit.
Thank you for looking into that! Very nice work :)
I also had some problems with aspects of the case, but was focused on the balls of light as animated, and was curious how folks would react in such a situation.
 

LA Marzulli: What JD Vance's UFO Interest Means for the Coming Great Deception

By Abby Trivett Aug 8, 2025

In recent months, the topic of UFOs—or unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs)—has surged into mainstream political and cultural conversations. Among the voices taking a serious look at these mysteries is Vice President J.D. Vance, who has openly expressed his fascination and concern over the growing evidence of unexplained objects in our skies.

As L.A. Marzulli shared, Vance discussed UFOs candidly on the Ruthless Podcast, acknowledging the many puzzling videos and reports that have emerged in recent years. "I haven't gotten to the bottom of it yet," Vance admitted, "but we're only six months into the administration."
This is one of the reasons why Metabunk, in its own way, is important. These are the forces of 'unreason', superstition and irrationality, actually forces of barbarism, that have never changed. Humans haven't evolved one joe since we trembled in terror before a solar eclipse. Every skeptic is a bulwark against civilisational collapse. No pressure, people!
I always instinctively, involuntarily recoil at sentences like:
"I haven't gotten to the bottom of it yet...but we're only six months into the administration." :oops: :rolleyes:

It just comes off as so phony and pretentious, to me. Was anyone, anywhere, thinking:
"If we can just get the great mind of JD Vance on this, this topic could be solved!" ?
And the added: "...we're only six months into the administration," suggests that hey, these geniuses
have only used 1/8 of their administration (at that point), there's 7/8 left for them to dazzle us!

JD Vance & this clueless, feckless administration aren't going to "get to the bottom of this" at any point!
They couldn't if it were a top priority...and I see no reason to believe that it's any real priority at all...
 

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