Is this a chemtrail aircraft?

anonname

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I've seen a bunch of pictures similar to this, a bit odd to have a converted passenger plane with tanks.
If it was for fighting forest fires it would not have windows and no one transport liquids like that way to expensive.
Any logical explanations would be much appreciated!

 
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FreiZeitGeist

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I've seen a bunch of pictures similar to this, a bit odd to have a converted passenger plane with tanks.

Take a look to this thread, these kinds of pictures are collected there - mostly with the original source.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/661-Debunked-Chemtrail-Plane-Interior-(Ballast-Barrels)

This was taken at the upper deck of an A380 Prototype that was presented worldwide on Airshows. Normal People could go through it and make their own Photographs in it.
 
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Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
I've seen a bunch of pictures similar to this, a bit odd to have a converted passenger plane with tanks.
If it was for fighting forest fires it would not have windows and no one transport liquids like that way to expensive.
Any logical explanations would be much appreciated!

Whomever is showing you those pictures is showing you nonsense. Whenever you find someone with an outrageous photo:

- save a copy of the image on your computer's desktop by right clcking the image and "save as"
- go to google, click on "Image" search.
- in the place you usually type, click on the camera icon
- You will see two options:
"Paste URL" and "Upload an Image"
-click on "Upload an Image"
- click on "Choose File"
- locate the file on your desktop and double click on it.

You will be taken to many locations where the image has previously been displayed online, and usually you can find the original source of the image.

Then, you will have debunked the likely erroneous or even fallacious use of the image. Show others how you did this so that they don't get zoomed by another hoax photo.

Good Luck!
 

M Bornong

Senior Member.
Dang, when will these ballast tanks be recognized for what they are? Every plane, regardless of size must go through proper testing. Each tank represents a person, people on planes sometimes move around. Shifting water between the tanks is the easiest way to simulate this.
 

anonname

New Member
ha theirs probably a few pilots out their right now feeling very under appreciated, posting work photos on facebook and then having his house vandelized by hippies.
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
Can anyone please tell me what sort of plane this is in this old reuters thing that I have been sent yet again and what is it spraying and how it is spraying it. Thanks, I need details to help inform people about the truth of what that plane is really doing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/21/us-geoengineering-idUSTRE69K18320101021

It is a CASA C-212-300.

Source: http://www.planespotters.net/Aviation_Photos/photo.show?id=414669

As to what it is likely spraying? As the caption indicates, it is being used for cloud seeding, as part of the Thai "Bureau of Royal Rainmaking and Agricultural Aviation".

Here, the Wiki entry for this airplane:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASA_C-212_Aviocar

Note the specifications:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASA_C-212_Aviocar#Specifications_.28Series_300.29

That figure of 26,000 feet is barely at altitudes where contrails will form...and, note that such maximum published service ceilings are usually only attained with light payloads. Also, this airplane does not have a pressurized cabin, so its use is primarily for altitudes at or below 10,000 feet above MSL.

Some additional info that may help:

http://flaps-aviacion-aviation-luft...9/casa-c-212-aviocar-40-years-in-service.html

(My emphasis added).
 
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Belfrey

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Can anyone please tell me what sort of plane this is in this old reuters thing that I have been sent yet again and what is it spraying and how it is spraying it. Thanks, I need details to help inform people about the truth of what that plane is really doing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/21/us-geoengineering-idUSTRE69K18320101021
Hi Rusty Far Eye, that appears to be just what the caption states - a plane doing cloud seeding. Cloud seeding involves the release of materials (usually silver iodide) into clouds to induce or enhance precipitation. It's not new or secret, and it's not geoengineering or "chemtrails." See the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

A lot of cloud seeding is done from the ground, but aerial cloud seeding involves either the use of generators or flares mounted on the airplane.

 
Thanks heaps Weed Whacker and Belfrey, you guys rock. I had seen those pictures you posted before Belfrey, but I hadn't seen the plane in the link I had posted come up when I have been looking at cloud seeding and I did also need more details about what sort of plane that is. Some of my friends do say I am to sceptical of to many things to often, but I do like to know the details about what I am looking at.
 

KC-10FE

Senior Member.
Since we are on this topic,as far as silver iodide, what is its effect on the environment? I have people tell me that is is highly toxic and causes acid rain. What is a good response?
 

GregMc

Senior Member.
as far as silver iodide, what is its effect on the environment? I have people tell me that is is highly toxic and causes acid rain. What is a good response?

Silver iodide has been used by the Australian Snowy River Hydro authorities for quite a while and is specifically used in a national park home to endangered animals.
The park authority is very careful to monitor conditions . http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/11/09/3060615.htm



The plane that Rusty linked to http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/21/us-geoengineering-idUSTRE69K18320101021 performing Thai royal rainmaking is
quite likely to be releasing table salt, good old fashion NaCl or calcium chloride. Thai Royal rainmaking uses a multi stage process.
You can see how awesomely high tech and automated the delivery system is in this vid:
 

Belfrey

Senior Member.
Since we are on this topic,as far as silver iodide, what is its effect on the environment? I have people tell me that is is highly toxic and causes acid rain. What is a good response?
I'm no expert on cloud seeding or silver iodide chemistry, but I did some looking into this back when communicating with the guy from Artificialclouds.com (who thinks that cloud seeding indirectly causes chemtrails).

First of all, the amount of AgI released is really tiny compared to the area covered. I looked at the 2011 cloud seeding records that agriculturedefensecoalition.org requested from NOAA, and calculated that for those flights where both the amount of AgI and the area covered were reported, they released an average of 3.59 grams per square mile. Studies which have looked at the question (such as Tsiouris et al. (2002)) have generally found no measurable increase in the soil in areas where cloud seeding is done.

An early review of potential ecological effects is Cooper and Jolly (1970). They also found that the amount of Ag in rainwater from seeded storms was small, "0.01 to 0.03 g Ag per hectare per centimeter of rain." They found that there were no likely impacts to human health (since even the ingestion of large quantities of silver over a long time only causes tissue discoloration, argyria). They said that the silver in AgI, if at high enough concentrations, could conceivably have some effects on aquatic microorganisms and fish, but noted that this was based on lab studies using silver compounds such as AgNO3, "which is presumably fully ionized at the concentrations employed." They noted that silver iodide is nearly insoluble. However, they still called for studies which looked more carefully at effects of cloud seeding agents on freshwater systems.

Such studies were carried out as part of a series of projects funded by a program called "Project Skywater," and summarized in Howell (1977). They found that since the inputs were so small compared to the natural occurrence of silver in the environment and the threshold at which they could have an impact on aquatic life, there was no measurable, direct environmental impact from AgI as used for cloud seeding.
They further noted that while environments in some areas were either polluted enough from other sources or naturally enriched enough in silver or to have antimicrobial effects, "Precipitation management activities produce such concentrations only within a few meters of ground-based smoke generators, where some weak evidence of possible delay in decomposition processes is available (Sokol and Klein, 1975). Elsewhere, despite diligent monitoring, no trace of silver attributable to cloud seeding, or impact of such silver, has been found."

So to sum up: it has been studied, and the amount of silver iodide released is tiny compared to the natural amount of silver in the environment. It's generally too small to even cause a detectable increase of silver in soil or surface waters, much less cause measureable effects on the environment or human health. The "causes acid rain" part is a new one on me. Silver iodide has no effect on pH, as far as I know.
 
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Steve Funk

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I believe the main source of silver in the environment, at least the main human source, has been photographic film and processing chemicals. Don't have the source right at my fingertips. This is probably starting to change since nearly everyone has gone to digital.
 

Soulfly

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I believe the main source of silver in the environment, at least the main human source, has been photographic film and processing chemicals. Don't have the source right at my fingertips. This is probably starting to change since nearly everyone has gone to digital.
You can actually get the silver back from old film. I watched a show about people recovering precious metals from unexpected things.
http://www.kodak.com/ek/uploadedFiles/J210ENG.pdf
 
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