Yeah, I moved it forward a bitnot quite; the white car (assuming I interprete right) is too far behind:
Yeah, I moved it forward a bitnot quite; the white car (assuming I interprete right) is too far behind:
the camera person is standing to the right of your first table pole too.Yeah, I moved it forward a bit
Can anyone tell which car is being reflected in the restaurant window? Is it the same reflection used on the Good Boys poster?
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ell-STAGED-photo-N-close-friend-attorney.html
External Quote:
The first picture of Ghislaine Maxwell in more than three years was staged by her close friend and attorney, Leah Saffian, DailyMail.com has learned exclusively.
the car dealership signs match.Is there anything in the photo that dates it?
the car dealership signs match.
in jan 2019 (according to the Google street car) they didn't have the "pre-owned" banner there. would be pretty lucky to have an old photo that just matches the signage. Or if you did that much research to photoshop the current dealership sign, then wouldn't you photoshop the current bus ad?
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Your angles don't seem to match the photo...
Yes! That further-location is exactly what I sensed when I said: "I believe the SUV's forward region is at least well passed the sign and much further from it than my example above." The SUV should not even be reflected by the sign at all.I did a quick mock-up of the scene:
Lines show the reflective plane of the poster, and the reflected line of sight.
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So, yeah, looks like it was shopped.
Because it would make the insertion seem believable. Even after we read the Daily Mail report saying there was never a Good Boys poster there, we got stymied by the reflection, which shows how effective it was at disguising the editing.If the original unphotoshopped photo didn't have the reflection, why would someone go to the trouble of adding one?
Because it would make the insertion seem believable. Even after we read the Daily Mail report saying there was never a Good Boys poster there, we got stymied by the reflection, which shows how effective it was at disguising the editing.
Imo, the deeper question is why go to all the trouble to add the Good Boys poster? As I've said, I think it served to act as counterfactual to anyone who might say the photo is like a year old. Still, it seems like a daft idea.
There's another level to this... a lot of people are assuming that because the photos where photoshopped, Maxwell was photoshopped in. I believe she is in the photo for several reasons, one being the person has a similar body shape (eg, to be blunt, long-hanging breasts). However, given the level of skill the Good Boys editing demonstrates, I think the possibility that she's not even in there ought to be considered as a fact-checking default. After all, we believed the sign was there. A photo faker worked on this photo who is skilled enough to get a 3D rotated SUV image, create perfect reflections, is able to exactly simulate the grain in the original photo and who even has shaded waves along the left side of the fake poster exactly the same in two photos. Wow! That is someone who could fake almost anything, like a person.
Sure, she can. And I see no evidence that she's not there at that location. We also saw no obvious evidence that the sign was edited in, for a while. When you have highly and deceptively manipulated photos with evidence of a skilled editor involved, the veracity of the photos in total should be questioned.You do realize she can hop on a private jet and be in LA in 6 hours. take some pics, hit Rodeo Drive for a few hours or the hair salon.. jump back on the private jet and be home in Massachusetts the same day. So it's kinda unrealistic to go through all the hassle of faking a photo shop that doesn't prove she isn't living in Massachusetts anyway.
Do you think these heavily manipulated photos would be admissible evidence in a court for determining her whereabouts?
Because it would make the insertion seem believable. Even after we read the Daily Mail report saying there was never a Good Boys poster there, we got stymied by the reflection, which shows how effective it was at disguising the editing.
The ER poster in the current photo doesn't reflect any cars. If you were photoshopping it, would you even think of adding a reflection that's not there? I'd try to make it look as much like the ER poster as possible. But it's an interesting theory, adding something fake to make the image look more real than the real photo.
Maybe a bit off-topic, but I saw some people on Twitter pointing out that a user 'G. Maxwell' placed a 5-star review on Amazon for this book https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/R2I84ALLN2/?tag=cowboyprogra-20She was reading The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives, according to the NY Post.
As I quoted above, her father was accused of spying for the KGB or the Mossad. There were conspiracy theories about his death ostensibly from falling off his boat.
What to think of this? probably just a joke by someone who changed his profile name to 'G. Maxwell' for this occasion. The fact that this user read the Kindle Edition seems to indicate that it is not actually Ghislaine Maxwell.External Quote:A comforting read after a personal tragedy
August 15, 2019
Format: Kindle Edition
A good friend of mine died recently under very tragic circumstances. Some of us saw it coming for quite a while but it was still a huge shock when it finally happened. I picked up this book at the advice of a friend and absolutely couldn't put it down. I'd read it walking the dog, getting fast food, or even just lounging around the house. It helped me realized that my friend really believed in something, and that giving your life for the CIA, NSA, FBI, Mossad, or other intelligence agency is truly a higher calling and not something to mourn. A wholehearted recommendation.
The white car looks like it's directly in front of the poster form the angle I would guess if you were adding the poster in and you were decent at image manipulation you'd see what might be reflected and add it in, it's a case of being good but not quite good enough.
And there is a plausible clue of a white SUV behind a black one. What fantastic work! Really shows you have to model these situations in 3D before you have a clue. Can you post a blender-readable file of the scene?think I was wrong, I believe now at least the reflection on the poster to be genuine if theres a white car behind the black one in the left lane (which I believe to be the case and as also deirdre pointed out):
That's not at all what I proposed. If the sign is photoshopped in (what the Daily Mail story tells us), then we have this reflection on top of photoshop editing. So I'm not suggesting someone added something fake to make the image look more real than the real photo, which would be silly. I suggested if something was already added that is fake (the sign), also adding a reflection on top of it could have the faked content appear more real.The ER poster in the current photo doesn't reflect any cars. If you were photoshopping it, would you even think of adding a reflection that's not there? I'd try to make it look as much like the ER poster as possible. But it's an interesting theory, adding something fake to make the image look more real than the real photo.
If the Good Boys sign was edited in, imo, a skilled deceiver was involved. Right, a professional faker ought to have removed the metadata. Although you might know someone whose expertise is only graphical editing, not document forgery, and they asked that person to do some work. But with DasKleineTeilchen's modeling, adding the sign again seems questionable.there is no evidence they were heavily manipulated, imo. the second white car in the middle lane matches the angle well. I didn't look into the shop window much but it is at an angle, so it could be the same car or a car pulling into the restaurant.
@Agent K found that the time frame would be at least later than May of 2019.
There are little yellow flowers on the sidewalk in all the photos (although I don't know anything about growing seasons in California).
A skilled deceiver wouldn't put or leave "meadowgate" in the metadata.
Law enforcement knows where she is from passport and flight logs. Why would a court need to see some day trip photo? The whole premise makes no sense. But that is my opinion. It's cool if others disagree.
someone on reddit had mentioned something about how if you upload to the NYPost, then maybe the NYPosts server computer made new metadata? which would explain why the creation date is the 15th, even though the text in the metadata says the 12th. (just throwing that out there, I have no idea).Right, a professional faker ought to have removed the metadata.
theres a man behind her..see his balding head on her otherside?Here's another thing that bugs me, there seems to be a flat area of cloth behind her that seems inexplicable and that I've cropped out and overlaid to her right...
That's not at all what I proposed. If the sign is photoshopped in (what the Daily Mail story tells us), then we have this reflection on top of photoshop editing. So I'm not suggesting someone added something fake to make the image look more real than the real photo, which would be silly. I suggested if something was already added that is fake (the sign), also adding a reflection on top of it could have the faked content appear more real.
Bingo! I think that's the answer. The seemingly incongruent background is the residual portion of someone's head. We can see the hand of that semi-erased person...theres a man behind her..see his balding head on her otherside?
edit add: and here looks like evidence they clone tooled his face out. (like they did to edit out with garbage can with the cloned brick wall.)
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Ya, but with these edits: ...which would mean that the reflection was added to make the reflection-enhanced fake photo look more real than theIf the photoshopped reflection is physically wrong, then the real photo wouldn't have had that reflection, which would mean that the reflection was added to make the fake photo look more real than the real photo.
If so, and if it was Maxwell & Co that did it, not the NY Post, one has to wonder if they wanted to stoke conspiracy theories.
This photo taken since the NYP's article shows that seeing a reflection on the poster enclosure is possible...If the original real photo didn't have a reflection, then adding a reflection to the photoshopped sign would've been a strange attempt to make it look more real than the real photo.
Yes, but it's still highly ill-advised to do photoshop manipulations of photos presented as evidence, and the reason being that it undermines the trustworthiness of the photos. And some edits don't seem as easily explained, like taking out the sign for Miceli's across the street in only one photo.I think they did it for the same reason I do it. A bunch of stuff in the background distracts from the subject of the photo.
Yes, but the cloth is still curious. Is there such as thing as a "grey screen"? Seems unlikely, grey being so common versus green. But it's so flat, like a curtain more than body-hanging or worn clothing. And odd that it's edge, assuming she's really there, must be perfectly behind the pole, which of course it might be.Edit... unless it is an optical illusion caused by the corner of the page falling in just the right place to make it look like it is being hidden? Yes, the more I look at it, the more I think that's the answer:
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but that cant be the ad space right? its too wide? but the angle of the letters is correct.
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This photo taken since the NYP's article shows that seeing a reflection on the poster enclosure is possible...
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So the reflection in question probably was in the original.
You would think there must be some other photos taken at this location around the same time on social media showing that poster. I've looked on Instagram and Twitter but no luck so far.
@https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/us/ghislaine-maxwell-epstein.htmlExternal Quote:But Ms. Maxwell disappeared from the social scene after 2015, the year that Ms. Giuffre filed the defamation suit against her.
By 2016, Ms. Maxwell was no longer being photographed at events. That April, the New York townhome where she had lived was sold for $15 million. By 2017, her lawyers were saying that she was in London but that they did not believe she had a permanent residence.
@ https://nypost.com/2019/09/02/jeffrey-epsteins-model-scouting-pal-has-disappeared-without-a-trace/External Quote:The model agency boss accused of scouting young girls for pedophile pal Jeffrey Epstein has disappeared like a "ghost," as investigators scour the globe searching for him, a new report said.
French authorities want to quiz Jean-Luc Brunel, 72, over his ties to Epstein as part of their own probe into the late financier who had a house in Paris, according to the Daily Mirror.
"He is a ghost who has disappeared without a trace," a legal source in Paris told the paper of Brunel, who discovered some of the biggest names in modeling, including Christy Turlington and Angie Everhardt.