What did I see: Helicopter lights while hovering at night?

Jack Mallory

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Sorry for the novel, but I just don't know how else to explain this or how to pose the questions that I'm most interested in.
The primary question is: WHAT DID I SEE?

About twenty years ago I observed something while driving on a familiar highway through central Connecticut that has baffled me ever since.
It was approximately 10:00 pm on I-84, heading west to east, approaching the capital city of Hartford. That highway tends be somewhat circuitous, and almost always busy, so keeping one's eyes on the road is a must. Coming around one bend in the road I saw a very conspicuous craft of some sort hovering in one spot almost directly over the highway, at what I'm guessing was an altitude of no more than 500 ft (150m). It was not very high, and appeared to be consistent with what one might expect from a traffic or news helicopter.

What was most striking were two distinct rows of horizontal lights emitting a sequential strobing pattern. Although I'd never witnessed anything even remotely similar to that before (or since) I assumed that this was a helicopter, and that the strobing lights were merely a safety feature when hovering in place at night. There is a TV news station for the local NBC affiliate within sight of where this occurred, so my first thought that it was one of their helicopters either waiting to land or having just taken off (but still hovering for some reason). The number and size of the strobing lights would've been roughly equivalent to something taking up 3/4 the length of a typical domestic helicopter. At least that was my perception in the moment.

Not being sure what I was seeing, my immediate thoughts were, Why isn't anyone else noticing this? Why isn't traffic slowing down, at least out of curiosity? Why do I seem to be the only looking even glancing up? As previously stated, the serpentine nature of this highway demands a fair bit of attention from any driver, but I was glancing around at other drivers to see if anyone else was reacting in any way to these lights over our heads. They were not.

Again, this was highly unusual as well as being extremely conspicuous. Having grown up near there, I'd driven this highway literally thousands of times in my life, but never once encountered any such thing at that location or anywhere else. Also of note: there is a hospital with LIFE STAR capabilities only a couple of miles away, so the possibility of it being an emergency medical helicopter also crossed my mind. But there were no signs of any accidents or any emergency vehicles whatsoever anywhere in the vicinity.

While I was personally intrigued by the sighting, it was impossible to pull over or even slow down on this stretch of highway. Even though I was able to see it from one angle or another from somewhere between 30 to 60 seconds, I wasn't able to get a good look at it while stationary. As the highway continued to demand my immediate attention, I kept hoping that after one bend in the road, or on an elevated exit ramp that I planned on taking, I'd get a better vantage point, if only briefly. I was even hoping that once I got to my destination a few miles later, it would still be in view. But no such luck. The terrain is hilly, the road twists and turns, and when down at street level the abundant trees prevent much of a view of anything beyond a block or two. As curious and odd as this encounter was, the fact that no one else seem to notice or react in any way was somewhat disarming to me. Although I had assumed it was a helicopter, it wasn't until I started looking up images and videos of helicopters at night, and the various types of safety lights they often used, that I realize I couldn't find anything even close to what I had witnessed. And in the twenty or so years since, I never once come across anything similar.

It was only more recently when contemplating this whole thing again that it occurred to me (after studying various images) that the number and length of the lighting display that I saw was entirely inconsistent with what would even fit on a typical news helicopter. There just isn't enough practical space on the side of such a vehicle. I then considered the LIFE STAR medical helicopter, but with all the windows and sliding doors, it seems unimaginable that two rows of lights—which would've spanned the center of the helicopter and most of its length—would, or could, ever be installed.

So what did I see?
What I'm most curious about is if there are any helicopter pilots here who might speak to hovering protocols after dark, and if any such lighting is ever used. Because no matter how diligently I research this, I can't come up with anything similar in use, ever, under any circumstances, on any helicopters—civilian, police or military.

Could it have been an advertising blimp, and maybe the strobing lights were in some sort of stand-by mode, not projecting any letters or messages, but just simply flashing? To me, that's highly doubtful because such a blimp would have other lighting that would give its overall shape away, and I can't imagine myself not being able to spot at least part of the blimp structure.

A more recent speculation of mine is: Could it have been a helicopter with conventional lighting, but a reflection from the rotating blades created the illusion of strobing lights from my perspective? Perhaps if I had been stationary, but I would think that such an illusion would reveal itself as the angle between my car and whatever it was above me changed.

FWIW, I'm well aware of just how difficult it is to accurately judge any sighting, of any objects above, while driving in a car. I understand that. But if you can imagine a news/traffic helicopter hovering in place over a highway, that would be consistent with what I saw from a positioning stand point. But due to the fact that it was at night, and I was driving at probably 60 mph (95km/h), I just couldn't make out any specific shape or size beyond the lights. Nor could I hear anything due to traffic noise and the car windows being rolled up (and I probably had music playing as well).

Now, in all honesty, after all these years, I can't clearly remember if the two rows of lights were white, or if one row was white and the other either red or blue. I have mixed memories of that. But there was never any green light noticeable (which would be typical for at least the right cabin side by aviation standards).

I'm including a few crude images to help illustrate my observations. In most of these diagrams I'm using red and blue lights simple for clarity, while I admit that one, or both rows of lights could've been plain white.

The depiction of these lights is roughly what I imagined at the time—if it were a helicopter. But as you can see, such a light placement would be impractical if not outright absurd.
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In order for a helicopter to properly fit the lights I remember seeing, it would have to be much larger craft, but when I pull up pictures of the LIFE STAR helicopter, it doesn't seem possible that two rows of horizontal lights would ever be mounted in such a manner.
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Lastly, here are a couple of images of a CT State Police helicopter (one with a rough approximation of where such lights would need to be mounted to resemble anything close to what I saw that night).
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The last consideration would be maybe a military helicopter. A Chinook would have ample room for such lighting (possibly). But, again, I can't find anything to indicate that any military helicopters ever employ such lighting (and I've never once seen a military helicopter in this area, and certainly never hovering at night).

Last image: A map of the location.

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Thanks for your time. I just hope this renders properly with all the images.
(Still trying to get used to the formatting on this platform.)
 
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I'd like to add just a few more thoughts on the matter:

The fact that no one else was reacting, in any noticeable way, to this was not only perplexing but also somewhat revealing. For argument's sake, let's pretend that this was some sort of "alien craft." It seems to me, after this experience, that one could very well appear in plain sight, over a very congested area, and not receive any attention at all. As odd as that might seem, I can't escape that realization.

The other thing I must consider is this simple question:
What are the chances that this was something wholly conventional and explainable, and easily recognizable to (apparently) every driver on the road except me? Again, having grown up near here, I would say those chances are close to zero. But why did no one else react?

I do remember watching the news that evening, looking for some mention of either something unusual that others reported, or a report of mistaking identification with clarification offered, or perhaps even a mention of some public event that could possibly explain why there were lights in the sky that night. But nothing. No mention of any such thing. That section of highway does border a large shopping mall area, but I can't imagine there'd be any sort of promotional event happening at a time of night when most of those stores would be closed, and I'm fairly certain that this was in the middle of the week as well. I'm at a loss.
 
Thank you!

I'd like to ask for a few more facts.

I think you got the impression it was a helicopter because you saw hovering (but strobing) lights. But did you actually notice anything about it besides the lights? My expectation is that you wouldn't have.

Could you please mark on the highway the first and the last place you saw it? and the approximate direction you saw it in?

Sit in your car (stationary). Hold your hand out at arms length in front of you, in the direction where the lights would've been seen. How wide was the pattern of lights, compared to your hand/fingers? Measurements would be ideal. What I really want to be able to approximately figure is the viewing angle.

How bright were the lights, compared to oncoming headlights?

What month was it?
Can you nartow the date down?

You saw this through the windshield?
 
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The fact that no one else was reacting, in any noticeable way, to this was not only perplexing but also somewhat revealing.
It makes me wonder if it was a reflection of some sort.

Did you yourself react to it in a way other drivers would have noticed? You seemed to simply have kept going.
 
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perhaps your saw what i saw in this thread https://www.metabunk.org/threads/my-eyes-deceived-me-so-i-had-to-debunk-myself.9270/#post-235279



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I thought I was watching a helicopter at night in far off distance with its navigation lights blinking red blue green yellow but it was a star.
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Just a small spec far off in the dark nite sky twinkling red, blue, yellow, white green hues but no sound so I & all my home family agreed must a chopper hovering way off and high.

Taking small interested we casually observed it a short time, later it moved off to the north then I guess returned,,, but it wasn't a chopper was it because the next night it was back same location...This time I watched more carefully and concluded it was a star or planet.. A quick stellarium search found it Sirius a twin star that when rising low in sky can twinkle many colors due to atmosphere..
I guess a way to test is use stellarium https://stellarium-web.org/ and wind the date star sky clock back see if Sirius was in the sky you were observing

i have done a quick stellarium assuming the date 2004 and found Sirius was in eastern Connecticut sky


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I added this link to explain Sirius blinking lights

See Sirius, the brightest star in the night sky
https://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/sirius-the-brightest-star/

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It's a flashy rainbow star
Although white to blue-white in color, Sirius might be called a rainbow star, as it often flickers with many colors. The flickering colors are especially easy to notice when you spot Sirius low in the sky.

The brightness, twinkling and color changes sometimes prompt people to report Sirius as a UFO!
 
Have you considered the possibility you could have seen a night aerial advertising display? I've seen these on fixed-wing aircraft, helos, and lighter-than-air craft, the first time as a youngster in the early 70s. Don't have time to do any significant research on whether such a company existed in that area/at that time, but here's the first outfit that came up when I googled "helicopter night advertising."

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Light your advertising up in stars with a Digital Helicopter Night Sign. Flashing across the night sky will be hundreds of computer-controlled lights mounted to a helicopter displaying YOUR message.
https://wildonmedia.com/what-we-do/aerial-advertising/sky-nightsigns/
 
Have you considered the possibility you could have seen a night aerial advertising display?
That's really interesting. I did consider something similar (not sure if you read this part)
Could it have been an advertising blimp, and maybe the strobing lights were in some sort of stand-by mode, not projecting any letters or messages, but just simply flashing?
If it had been an advertising aircraft of some sort, there was no message on display during the time that I saw it. Just two rows of strobing lights. I also mentioned that there is a large shopping mall and adjoining plaza just off the highway where I witnessed this. But this would've been later in the evening than any such business are open, so I'm not sure why they'd be advertising at those hours. If something legible had been on display, then problem solved. I wouldn't care so much about the exactness of the aircraft because the purpose behind it would've been revealed. All that being said, what you propose seems to be a high probability (based on those links you offered). It would explain much of it, and would correlate with what I remember seeing (except for the lack of any discernible messaging).

Thank you.
 
Thank you!

I'd like to ask for a few more facts.

I think you got the impression it was a helicopter because you saw hovering (but strobing) lights. But did you actually notice anything about it besides the lights? My expectation is that you wouldn't have.

Could you please mark on the highway the first and the last place you saw it? and the approximate direction you saw it in?

Sit in your car (stationary). Hold your hand out at arms length in front of you, in the direction where the lights would've been seen. How wide was the pattern of lights, compared to your hand/fingers? Measurements would be ideal. What I really want to be able to approximately figure is the viewing angle.

How bright were the lights, compared to oncoming headlights?

What month was it?
Can you nartow the date down?

You saw this through the windshield?
Thanks for the interest.

1) I wasn't able to make out anything besides the two rows of lights.

2) I was traveling west-to-east at the time. The position of the lights didn't appear to move at all; the object seemed to be quite stationary. It was ahead of me, then slightly overhead (as I went under it), then behind me as I kept driving. I indicated the approx location on that map by the white oval with two rows of red dots (quite near the NBC pinpoint).

3) This is purely guesswork, but my best estimate (with all the years that have passed since) is that width of the lights would've roughly spanned the width of my palm (about 4 inches) with my arm outstretched.

4) The lights in the sky were significantly brighter, larger and more noticeable than oncoming headlights.

5) Unfortunately, I simply can't recall the month of the year, but it was very likely between 2004 and 2006 (definitely no later than that).

6) Yes, I saw this mostly through the windshield but I also had a moonroof at the time that allowed me look more directly up, and I'm pretty sure I saw brief glimpses of it in my rear-view mirror as I drove further away.

Re: My reaction
There wasn't much I could do because of the nature of the highway along that stretch. You really just have to keep driving. So no, I didn't do anything that would've gotten the attention of any other drivers.
 
That's really interesting to me, but for entirely different reasons (I'll be respond more directly a bit later in that thread you linked).
However, what I saw in regards to the OP was definitely not a celestial object. This thing was close, and almost directly overhead as I continued driving. My relationship to it changed as I drove in a manner very consistent with it being a helicopter or something similar that was only a few hundred feet in the air.
 
There are a few lighted sign advertising helicopters out there -- any chance it was something like this?

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Source: https://theskywriters.com/aerial-night-signs/

They've been around for awhile, I recall Philip Klass writing about them in "UFOs: The Public Deceived" published in 1983.

EDIT: I now see Duke already proposed this, but I'll leave this up for the pictures and the note on how long they've been around unless somebody objects, while acknowledging Duke has the prior claim! ^_^
 
There are a few lighted sign advertising helicopters out there -- any chance it was something like this?
As previously mentioned, I am now leaning towards this as an explanation. Although, in my mind's eye, the arrangement of lights that I saw would've been perpendicular to this (as if they were positioned along the side of the craft). However...

I'm willing to concede the possibility that perhaps due to the angle between the aircraft and my car, and the fact that I was in motion, maybe I was only able to see the top and bottom edge of what were letters and words, and it only appeared to be two parallel rows of horizontal lights. I can't rule that out. I'm also considering the possibility that, since it was after normal business hours, it's possible that any advertising had already come and gone, and the lights were just in neutral mode (no discernible messaging) as a safety precaution, and for whatever reason the helicopter simply hadn't left the area yet.
 
I'm also considering the possibility that, since it was after normal business hours, it's possible that any advertising had already come and gone, and the lights were just in neutral mode (no discernible messaging) as a safety precaution, and for whatever reason the helicopter simply hadn't left the area yet.

I guess it is also possible that the programming got shorted out or something and it was inadvertently just flashing nonsense?
 
The fact that no one else was reacting, in any noticeable way, to this was not only perplexing but also somewhat revealing. For argument's sake, let's pretend that this was some sort of "alien craft." It seems to me, after this experience, that one could very well appear in plain sight, over a very congested area, and not receive any attention at all. As odd as that might seem, I can't escape that realization.

This is an idea Jaque Vallee and Garry Nolan have put forth. Multiple witnesses see different things, or some don't see anything all at the same event. This is because the aliens are projecting different images into the minds of the witnesses. Why is unclear. Here is Nolan with Tucker Carlson explaining it in a very similar situation to yours (bold by me):

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Garry Nolan
There's a great case. It's in France, this family, this is just within the last few years, driving down the highway, a mother and two children in the back, they have an open top car during the day, a crowded, crowded highway, they see over their head through the window. Craft is obvious and, right. And then she's looking around the mothers looking around and saying and noticing that nobody else seems to see this. Okay, so the kids in the back, have a camera phone, you know, phone, take a picture. When they get home, they will take a look at the picture. There's not a craft, but there's an object, a small sort of star shaped object about 30 or 40 feet over there, over their car. So that's let's say that that's the object, but it projected an image of something else. And yet, that's all they saw. So what what happened, you know, it's sort of like they, it was a projected 3d image of something, but it was only seen by them. So when you start to hear many of these cases, and Jacque really talks about this a lot, that whatever these things are, seem to have the ability to project altered reality into people's minds. I know that sounds crazy. And I'm just repeating the stories

Tucker Carlson
no crazier than any other thing that we've been talking about. I mean, it's all outside the bounds of what we understand the science anyway, right?

Garry Nolan
Yeah, I mean, I have, I have the picture of that they took of that star shaped object, and the story and Jacques had been the person who went and did the interviews for it. And that was sort of a mind bender, for me, the first time that I had seen evidence of something that was different than what people had perceived. Right. And so this notion of projected reality, is something that really has to be part of the discussion at some point.
The problem with this idea is it creates a situation where anyone can see anything while nobody else sees it and even if they photograph it, it looks totally different from what they saw. Whatever "it" is, can never be identified. IF the aliens can just put anything into people's minds at any given time, then there is no "real" alien UFOs or if there are, you wont see them, right? It gets horribly convoluted.

Personally, I think its Vallee and Nolan grasping at anything to keep their alien narrative going. In the example case, a woman driving supposedly "sees" some sort of craft, but perceives that no one else on the road does. Then when her kids take a photo, it doesn't match what she thought she saw. If she's trying to drive down a busy highway and not crash, she can only get glimpses of whatever she thought was a craft. There is no description giving for the craft. In addition to the driver trying to glimpse the craft, she's also looking around at the other drivers to see if they see it. Then has her kids take a photo which doesn't match what she remembered seeing.

It doesn't make sense, so they come up with this "projected reality" idea, instead of something mundane like a plane or misidentification. The photo could just as easily been of something else, like a crack in the sunroof and just missed the plane. I think they keep the story vague for a reason, so they can inject the "projected reality" claim as the only explanation.

Part of the problem here is you're offering a 20 year old memory of what you saw and perceived. There are now mountains of evidence that our memories are very pliable and always changing and evolving. So, part of your challenge is what you saw 20 years ago, and what you now remember seeing 20 years later. It can be tricky.

Thinking about what you described, it sounds like you're having to pay attention to driving on the highway at night when this happened. In addition to seeing the lights, you say you took time to look at the other drivers around you to see if they are seeing it too. So, you're driving ~60mph through a couple of bends in the highway, which is busy enough for there to be other cars around you. You see the lights and check the other drivers, who are in the dark or just the light of their dash boards, all while navigating the road. If this lasted around 30 seconds or so, you were doing a lot of looking back and forth between the road, the lights and the other drivers around you.

It sounds like a very active situation, perhaps one that led you to seeing something in a different way on that particular night? The direction and parallax can make aircraft appear to hover. I've seen this many times at a particular convergence of interstates near an AFB. It's fun to watch a giant C5 Galaxy or C17 Globemaster just sit in the sky for a while, not appearing to move. But I don't think I've ever seen it at night, or at least I don't remember any times. I wonder how it would look?

I'll note a small regional airport is directly in your line of site, with the larger Bradely International 12 miles N and a bit W of this one. I have no idea what the flight patterns are going in and out of these airports.

Just a suggestion, and it doesn't really work with you seeing it through the sunroof, but again we're talking about a 20 year old memory.



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As you also noted, you were driving by a large shopping center. Maybe a tethered blimp type thing with some lights on it? Those seem to be fairly common.
 
Personally, I think its Vallee and Nolan grasping at anything to keep their alien narrative going. In the example case, a woman driving supposedly "sees" some sort of craft, but perceives that no one else on the road does. Then when her kids take a photo, it doesn't match what she thought she saw.
Yeah, the novelty of Vallee wore off years ago for me. I feel that he gets a lot of extra mileage from his French accent in some anglophone circles that he otherwise might not, whereas Nolan tends to position himself as "in the know," without ever revealing anything revelatory or incontrovertible (IMO).

And there shouldn't be any great mystery to "my digital photo didn't look anything like what I saw!"
I can't really understand why Nolan would fall for that.
That's pretty much to be expected when taking pics on a phone, at night, of lights in the sky. I have countless images myself of things that look spectacular or even inexplicable, but, being the one who took the pics, I know exactly what the camera was looking at. This is especially true when taking pictures through the window of a passenger plane. All sorts of refraction and reflection is taking place in that environment, and the camera images will rarely match the naked eye for accuracy. I should probably start a separate thread about just that, with several examples I have from just the last two trips that I took.

But I would have to reject the theory that what I saw was a plane, or even moving at all during my time of observation. It was too low for that. At such an altitude, any movement would've been fairly obvious to me and it wouldn't have been to able to stay in my line of sight. When I said that I could see it for maybe "30 to 60 seconds," I meant that quite literally. In that, if you were to set a timer to even 30 seconds, and imagine yourself driving, and looking up, and looking around, and looking up, and glancing back-and-forth, that's actually a fair bit of time to take in a lot of information. It doesn't sound like a long time on paper, but it can be for real-world observation. Double that to 60 seconds, and that's a large window of time.

FWIW, my dad was an aeronautical engineer (most of his work was associated with fighter jets), with a lifelong passion for military and civilian flight, as well a deep interest spaceflight and all things NASA-related. I mention that only to convey that I observed a lot with him over the years, and identifying things in the sky (or at least noticing them) was somewhat of a family pastime, if you will. So even as a kid, I was used to looking up and "noticing." But the situation I've described here was a singular event that has yet to repeat itself in my life.

But could you clarify this a bit?
Just a suggestion, and it doesn't really work with you seeing it through the sunroof

Thanks again, to everyone, for the responses.
 
I guess it is also possible that the programming got shorted out or something and it was inadvertently just flashing nonsense?
That's possible. But now I'm really curious as to when and where these things are typical in use. Because of the traffic patterns where my sighting occurred, it would almost seem negligent, if not grossly irresponsible, to use something like that due to the possibility of causing a traffic accident. It wouldn't take many eyes looking up from the highway to create a very dangerous situation. Yes, there's a sprawling mall right there, but the surrounding area is all fairly dense suburbs, and those people wouldn't make for much of a target audience due to limited line-of-sight. The only other candidates would be mall shoppers walking to or from their cars, but that doesn't seem like a very effective advertising strategy either. It's still puzzling to me.
 
That's really interesting to me, but for entirely different reasons (I'll be respond more directly a bit later in that thread you linked).
However, what I saw in regards to the OP was definitely not a celestial object. This thing was close, and almost directly overhead as I continued driving. My relationship to it changed as I drove in a manner very consistent with it being a helicopter or something similar that was only a few hundred feet in the air.


Ok understood, however that is so much the same i observed perceived & so thought, I was so positive i was looking at a helicopter.
Im wondering if the planets Venus Mars Jupiter and Sirius intersected as they moved across sky creating a stronger larger light source?

I guess a stellarium animation at the 2004 date assumed may show this
 
Have you considered the possibility you could have seen a night aerial advertising display? I've seen these on fixed-wing aircraft, helos, and lighter-than-air craft, the first time as a youngster in the early 70s. Don't have time to do any significant research on whether such a company existed in that area/at that time, but here's the first outfit that came up when I googled "helicopter night advertising."

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Light your advertising up in stars with a Digital Helicopter Night Sign. Flashing across the night sky will be hundreds of computer-controlled lights mounted to a helicopter displaying YOUR message.
https://wildonmedia.com/what-we-do/aerial-advertising/sky-nightsigns/
This is really compelling because in the examples shown, all you see is the display lights. You can't see the helicopter at all. This is perfectly consistent with my experience and may very well be the explanation I was looking for. In all my online searches, I just never thought to include the word "advertising." If only I had seen the word "PIZZA" in bright lights, it would've been mystery solved right away. :)

I've just never known those types of helicopters to be in use in that area. As a very young kid in the '70s, I have memories of seeing sky writers occasional. It was quite the spectacle, but I've never seen it in my adult life. Same with advertising blimps, with few exceptions. I remember seeing them as a kid, but it's extremely rare these days. But never those illuminated helicopters or planes. I'd never seen them in person.
 
After reading these helpful responses, if I had to put money on it, I would say that it was, in all likelihood, a nighttime advertising helicopter. Especially after watching this particular video. You can see how the signage appears to "curve" and "rotate" as if moving around a circular object. Such a display could easily be mistaken for a circular craft, and the overall size, spacing and movement of the lights comes the closest to what I remember. Why I only saw two rows of circular lights instead of letters is anyone's guess, but there could be a dozen very simple explanations for that.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ktbK9Q1nM

If you look at this mapped image of the shopping area, you can get a sense of how dense it is, and maybe it was a Grand Opening being advertised (many of the specific businesses would've been different that long ago). As much as I expressed concern about the safety of having a distracting illuminated display directly above the highway, it's easy to imagine that that was their precise goal, if promoting one of these businesses was the objective.

You can see the highway, in yellow, at the top of the image, and the upper-right quadrant is approximately where I believe the lit object was hovering.
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Something you said in your initial post just caught my attention......Hartford, as in Connecticut. As you probably know, Sikorsky, a world's leader in helicopter development and production, is based in Stratford, CT. How often did you see helos flying around from Sikorsky? Looks like a relatively short flight.

I'm wondering if you could have seen a modified/missionized helo conducting night operations testing? You said this happened about 20 years ago, about the time when spending was ramping up for Special Operators engaged in the War on Terror. Must have been a good chunk of change invested in development of/for rotorwing craft that provided so much support to the SpecOp forces.

All speculation of course, but if seeing helicopters being test flown in your area was not uncommon, it's another possible explanation.
 
Thank you for your answers to my questions! I think they narrowed the discussion down by excluding many possibilities that your initial account had left open for us.
Re: My reaction
There wasn't much I could do because of the nature of the highway along that stretch. You really just have to keep driving. So no, I didn't do anything that would've gotten the attention of any other drivers.
In turn this means that some other drivers may well have spotted it as well, without you noticing that they had.

I kinda expect if it was a helicopter that it had an anti-collision strobe light. But I don't know if it would've stood out enough among the other lights to notice.
 
Something you said in your initial post just caught my attention......Hartford, as in Connecticut. As you probably know, Sikorsky, a world's leader in helicopter development and production, is based in Stratford, CT. How often did you see helos flying around from Sikorsky? Looks like a relatively short flight.
Actually, what's much closer is the Kaman Corporation in Bloomfield, CT.
https://kaman.com
They manufacture helicopters and other various hi-tech aerospace products. But I seriously doubt that either they or Sikorsky would've been testing any products at night, during the week, over such a heavy (and reasonably affluent, i.e. litigious) residential area. There are other places and towns that would be far better suited to any such thing, but not this particular location. (The wealthy suburb of West Hartford, where this actually occurred, is worlds apart from the capital city of Hartford.)

To answer your other question:
I can't say I've ever seen Sikorsky helicopters, specifically, in flight. What we typically get are the LIFE STAR helicopters flying to and from the three major hospitals in the area (St. Francis, Uconn, and Hartford Hospital), or small helicopters flying out of local airports such as Brainard or Robinson airport (in neighboring Plainville). We will also see occasional flyovers from CL&P (Connecticut Light & Power) helicopters that are surveying for trees that may need to be taken down when there's too much growth around power-lines. Sightings of military helicopters are fairly uncommon.
 
Actually, what's much closer is the Kaman Corporation in Bloomfield, CT.
https://kaman.com
They manufacture helicopters and other various hi-tech aerospace products. But I seriously doubt that either they or Sikorsky would've been testing any products at night, during the week, over such a heavy (and reasonably affluent, i.e. litigious) residential area. There are other places and towns that would be far better suited to any such thing, but not this particular location. (The wealthy suburb of West Hartford, where this actually occurred, is worlds apart from the capital city of Hartford.)

To answer your other question:
I can't say I've ever seen Sikorsky helicopters, specifically, in flight. What we typically get are the LIFE STAR helicopters flying to and from the three major hospitals in the area (St. Francis, Uconn, and Hartford Hospital), or small helicopters flying out of local airports such as Brainard or Robinson airport (in neighboring Plainville). We will also see occasional flyovers from CL&P (Connecticut Light & Power) helicopters that are surveying for trees that may need to be taken down when there's too much growth around power-lines. Sightings of military helicopters are fairly uncommon.
OK, thanks.

There are any number of reasons testing like that dictates being conducted in similar environments and hours they might be expected to be employed operationally. Now why they would have had anything aboard that jives with what you saw is beyond me. Maybe some crazed psychological operation (PSYOP) program?

And yes, I forgot Kaman. At one time they were as good any of their competitors with both military and civilian helos being common. Now I understand they are a low-rater production outfit who fills a niche supplying small, but powerful aerial lift capacity. I saw one a few years ago go over my house, weird looking thing.
 
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But could you clarify this a bit?

Just going with some suggestions and the hovering aircraft that isn't really hovering is not uncommon. In your case, you remembered seeing it through the sunroof on your car, so a distant aircraft doesn't really fit that description. Sounds like some other ideas might be better fits. Sometimes it helps to throw out various ideas to see what works and what doesn't. I've never seen advertising helicopters, but obviously they exist.
 
And yes, I forgot Kaman. At one time they were as good any of their competitors with both military and civilian helos being common. Now I understand they are a low-rater production outfit who fills a niche supplying small, but powerful aerial lift capacity. I saw one a few years ago go over my house, weird looking thing.
Speaking of...
I found this little tidbit on Wiki to be of interest:

1953 - Kaman produced the first electrically-powered drone. :oops:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaman_Corporation
 
The fact that no one else was reacting,
how do you know noone else was reacting?

over a very congested area,
it was very congested at 10pm? (i havent been over west farm mall way in longer than 20 years.. but still wondering how congested it could be at that hour).

Mostly i'm nicely questioning your memory :) like what elevated ramp? are you sure you werent headed west? what "angle" were the lights from your car?

ive never seen any advertising flying things in ct. but im down by Danbury and if it was close to you it wouldnt be a Concert in Hartford. Maybe something theater related? But connecticut typically doesnt go so all-out for such things. The only thing it reminds me of is highway construction signs at night. to warn us to slow down. but even if im at low altitude and the sign is on top of a hill rise before me, would that look like 500 feet? < i dont know, i suck at distances.

you said "overhead".. if overhead is 12 oclock and right at eye level is 9 oclock.. where would you place the lights?
 
it was very congested at 10pm?
It could've even been later than 10:00 pm, but yes. I mean, it's I-84, the main artery in and out of Hartford. It's pretty much alway busy with commercial truck traffic in addition to all the cars. It only ever gets "quiet" perhaps between the hours of 2:00 am and 5:00 am. I grew up near there, and even decades ago the din of the highway was a constant throughout the night.
Mostly i'm nicely questioning your memory :) like what elevated ramp? are you sure you werent headed west? what "angle" were the lights from your car?
I understand. I was absolutely heading west as I was coming from New Britain into Hartford. That entire section of highway is elevated, and some of the exits even more so. There's a right-hand exit to S. Main St. in West Hartford that elevates even further, and that's the one I should've taken if I really wanted to investigate this further. It would've also allowed my to easily circle back on New Britain Ave to get a better look. (I can only assume, after so many years, that I had to be somewhere, or someone was expecting me, and that's why I didn't deviate from my destination at the time.)

But I was going a couple of exits further, to the left-hand Sisson Ave exit which not only elevates slightly above the highway, but puts you into a U-turn so that you're facing actually west when coming off the ramp. Even though it's a few miles down the road, I was hoping that I'd still be able to catch a glimpse of what I'd seen. But the line of sight simply didn't allow for that.
you said "overhead".. if overhead is 12 oclock and right at eye level is 9 oclock.. where would you place the lights?

I would still say "overhead." Again, just imagine a helicopter hovering over the highway. If you were to drop a plumb-line straight down from whatever it was, I'd say it would've either hit the highway itself or have been within 50 or 60 feet. The "angle" of those lights was changing from my perspective as I approached, as they naturally would. At one point I drove under the lights and then past. I can't accurately say if those lights were directly above me, but they were, more or less "overhead."
 
if @JMartJr was here he might suggest a kite?
I'm always here.

I'm trying to remember when LED kites first showed up in the US in any numbers. (I just went to check, the first import of a Chinese LED kite with a programmed flashy light display would have been c. 2007, though it is always possible one snuck in with some individual person or another before that. And just hanging lights from a kite goes back a lot further.)

So maybe, but insufficient data would be my answer. One thing that argues against it being a kite is that it was directly over a highway. Especially at night when winds tend to be a bit flukey, that is a dangerous place too put a kite! And especially in hilly terrain where turbulence is a problem. Not to say that nobody ever does anything foolish and dangerous, but it makes it somewhat less likely.
 
Just remember in this case, my opinion is just a guess -- and my guess is just a "maybe!" An informed guess, hopefully, but without pics or vids, that's about the best I can do.
 
how do you know noone else was reacting?
Sorry, I missed this bit the first time.

How do I know? Because one of the first things I did was to glance around at other drivers to see if they were even noticing this. We've all been in situations where there's an accident, or a nearby fire, or animal crossing the road...people react. You'll easily be able spot other drivers glancing, maybe pointing, or at least slowing down to get a better look. But nothing. I had hoped that traffic might slow but, since it wasn't, I wasn't going to be the first one tapping the breaks. Not on that stretch of highway.
 
Question for those more familiar with Starlink than I. Could two rows of lights be caused by Starlink flares or something to do with Starlink?
 
Question for those more familiar with Starlink than I. Could two rows of lights be caused by Starlink flares or something to do with Starlink?
If you are asking if Starlink could account for what @Jack Mallory saw, since he said it was ~20 years ago, that would predate Musk's project. I remember first hearing about Starlink not long before we started hearing about COVID, probably mid/late 2019.
 
"overhead."


are you saying saw the lights / object above car though the sun roof ? if so could it be reflection from a light source within the car? onto sunroof glass ?? This happens a lot with UFO sightings though windows turning out to be lamp shades down lights etc
 
Question for those more familiar with Starlink than I. Could two rows of lights be caused by Starlink flares or something to do with Starlink?
As Duke stated, Starlink didn't launch until 2019 and my sighting was pre-2006.
FWIW, I've seen Starlink a few times. Totally different from I saw some twenty years ago. Starlink traverses the sky like a celestial pull chain. It seems to magically appear out of nothingness, shines bright for roughly 30 seconds while in motion, and then fades as the angle from the satellites to the sun no longer provides adequate reflection.

What I saw was quite different. Whatever was supporting these lights was stationary (as best I could tell) while the lights themselves were scrolling as if on a marquee. And they didn't appear to be much higher than a tall building (yet there are no such buildings in that entire town).
 
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are you saying saw the lights / object above car though the sun roof ? if so could it be reflection from a light source within the car? onto sunroof glass ?? This happens a lot with UFO sightings though windows turning out to be lamp shades down lights etc
Yes and No. I first spotted them though my windshield. It was only as I passed roughly beneath the lights that I could seem them briefly through the moonroof. I can not stress enough that this in no way a reflection off any internal glass. These lights were incredibly conspicuous, as if they were meant to be seen—much like the videos posted upthread of the advertising helicopters. Except I wasn't seeing any words or letters, just two rows of lights.
 
FWIW, I've seen Starlink a few times. Totally different from I saw some twenty years ago. Starlink traverses the sky like a celestial pull chain. It seems to magically appear out of nothingness, shines bright for roughly 30 seconds while in motion, and then fades as the angle from the satellites to the sun no longer provides adequate reflection.
As an aside:
You describe Starlink orbit-raising. On-station Starlink can be seen as a small area of sky criss-crossed by short streaks.
spacex_starlink_visibility_945.jpg

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/mu...ing-starlink-flares-racetrack-illusion.12586/ is the thread where we started figuring the second kind out; https://www.metabunk.org/threads/wh...mostly-reported-from-planes.12720/post-282480 is where the geometry was developed to the point that Mick's sitrec tool can now accurately recreate and even predict these "racetrack" flares.

It caught a lot of people out who "knew what Starlink looks like".
 
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