Debunked: OverpopulationIsAMyth.com (Overpopulation is a Myth, Population Research Institute)

[Mick West]

Yes, yes I can... http://overpopulationisamyth.com/ (http://archive.is/cID5i)
Check and chekmate.


What I don't get is how those eople who know that overpopulatin is a mayth and that those pushing it the myth are worng at best and liars at worse, will still believe those same people when they say that AGENDA 21 is really justa a suggestin for sustainable growth. I guess HItlers eugenics was just a recomendation on how to imrpiove your genetics. Its all word play and manipulation.

In a way that site is correct, overpopulation is not "the" problem, poverty is the problem. There's also enough arable land to feed five times the current population. And the world population will probably level off in 50 years.

However it's really being a little disingenuous. Overpopulation is a problem while we have poverty. Rapidly growing populations in poor countries just make that country more poor. It does not matter if there's arable land if there's corruption and war that limits access to resources. It does not matter if the world population will level off in 50 years if five billion children have to die of starvation on the way there.

Your site is a cartoon version of http://pop.org/ (http://archive.is/ClYuE) which is an organization that simply has a "pro-life" agenda - i.e. they are religiously opposed to contraception and abortion. They are pushing this nonsense science (like noting everyone in the world could fit in Texas, so heck, there's plenty of room) just because they want to promote pro-life policies.

The Population Research Institute is a non-profit research group whose goals are to expose the myth of overpopulation, to expose human rights abuses committed in population control programs, and to make the case that people are the world’s greatest resource. Our growing, global network of pro-life groups spans over 30 countries.

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pop.org is a privately funded organization, to the tune of $1.25 Million a year. They exist solely to promote the pro-life agenda via propaganda such as this. They really need a debunking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_Research_Institute

The Population Research Institute (PRI) is a non-profit organization based in Front Royal, Virginia. The PRI describes itself as "a non-profit research and educational organization dedicated to objectively presenting the truth about population-related issues." PRI argues against the notion that human overpopulation is occurring, and refers to itself as a "pro-life" organization.
The Population Research Institute has in past years received funding from The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Inc.,[1]​ which is stated by a liberal watch-dog group as being "the country's largest and most influential right-wing foundation".[2]​

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Example of their actual agenda:

http://pop.org/content/planned-giving-979 (http://archive.is/PaDHk)

PRI has been helping families for over 20 years! Our work has cost abortionistslike International Planned Parenthood and the UNFPA over $790 million, with a good portion of that redirected to family friendly programs like Child Survival.

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Many more:
https://www.google.com/search?q=abortionists+site:pop.org (http://archive.is/1ZiT0)

One from their president:

http://pop.org/content/correspondence-1915 (http://archive.is/DoDvl)

Dear Steve Mosher
Peace in Jesus Christ!

The practice of abortion, artificial birth control, sterilization and a culture of secularism/materialism have caused out country and the Church serious problems. Only God reigns and we must serve. Because of the above we lack native-born children and hence need immigration and Catholic families need children to replenish the Church and give us priestly and religious vocations.

[We spread] our immoral habits abroad and it revolts Muslim countries especially. Our culture and survival as a prosperous nation needs Catholics to marry young, have more than two children, and preach the God-given glories of motherhood — a woman’s fertility is our greatest treasure and not the boardroom of business of politics.

Anthony D. Lutz, Virginia

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Mr. Lutz,
We agree with you totally. Our bad habits of contraceptive use and sterilization are indeed killing our nation. As history has shown all over the world, religious vocations come from larger families. So if we continue to have small families, we will continue to have the priest and religious shortage we see growing in our country today.
Steven Mosher, PRI President

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Mosher equates homosexuals to Nazis:
http://pop.org/content/homofascists-march-on-705 (http://archive.is/eNX6G)

Homofascists March On

Dear Colleague:
As the homosexual “rights” movement gains ground, it seeks to silence the opposition.
Steven W. Mosher
President
When Nazis are talked about today, there is usually no mention of certain of their prominent aspects. Of course, those aspects which don’t fit into the politically correct view of history are those which get no mention.
So you rarely hear of the Nazis’ push for eugenic abortion, for euthanasia of the unfit (i.e., the disabled, sick, or dying), or their persecution of the Catholic Church. You are even less likely to hear of the prominent role that homosexuality and a hyper-masculine homosexualist ideology played in the early days of the Nazi Party until Hitler purged the most flamboyant of those elements, perhaps to prevent average Germans from turning away from the newly successful fascists.
Some of that spirit lives on and is growing. Today’s homosexual “rights” activists are determined to impose upon Western society a neo-paganism that is anti-life, anti-family, and anti-religious, and they actively seek to punish those who disagree. Obviously, homosexuality is opposed to the propagation of new human life, and the huge campaign in favor of it we now experience comes at a time when birthrates have already fallen below replacement in almost every Western country. In fact, as early as the 1960s, Planned Parenthood listed the encouragement of homosexuality as one of the methods for reducing human populations. And male homosexual behavior spreads AIDS, which increases the death rate.

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[Joe]

Originally Posted by jvnk08
You need to correct your links as they are broken.

There is no doubt that a few counties within the US have had forced sterilization programs a long, long time ago, but they're just that - in the past. VA just recently had hearings regarding reparation payments for them. Do you live in the US currently? Do you honestly think there is eugenics taking place today at the behest of UN Agenda 21?



That was fromn wiki . Oregon is the only state where some sterlization is underway .Not forced of course but . Sure they are pushing abortions in many countries in africa and of course birth conrol . Which with the problems in Africa would seem to make sense . but who has the right ? There is a new form of eugenics coming called Transhumanization coming . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism Yes Im in Florida

 

[Mick West]

It's very interesting looking at their official facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/groups/111779065924/

The admins are Joel Bockrath (an activist anti-abortion Catholic, and employee of pop.org, salary $86,509) and Elizabeth Crnkovich. But the current main poster on there seem to be Keith Harcourt, who posts some normal anti-abortion propaganda, but also things like this:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/111779065924/permalink/10151201775335925/

The link going to:
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...up-of-wealthy-elitists-is-pulling-the-strings

Which seems rather odd that a group funded by old money, the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Inc. is promoting conspiracy theories about how old money is seeking to enslave everyone. Perhaps though Harcourt is just a busy poster, doing his own thing, and they just tolerate him, or maybe have not been paying attention.

Then we have:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/111779065924/permalink/10151190042010925/


Which is an interesting connection. Are movements like Zeitgeist and Thrive piggybacking on conservative groups like this? Maybe they pop.org does not realize the type of people it is attracting.

Maybe though, and here I go off into conspiracy speculation, there's some link - with people like pop.org encouraging the fringes of the conspiracy movement for some reason.

 

[Dan Wilson]

A tale of two countries. A look at Nigeria and Japan today suggests what's ahead. Given Nigeria’s high birthrate and large number of women of childbearing age, the population is expected to more than double by 2050, while the population of Japan is expected to decline.

This is an image from a 2011 special issue of Science. They published some really great articles on population.

 

[Mick West]

Yes, the problems with overpopulation are very much regional problems. That's a huge thing that pop.org likes to gloss over. One cannot simple look at the surface area of the Earth, divide it by the number of people, and then say everyone can fit in it. Yet that's the kind of ridiculous reasoning they use.

There could be many more people in the world if everything were perfect. But it's not. And it's vastly more complex than they suggest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpopulation#Effects_of_human_overpopulation

 

[Cairenn]

The birthrate is going down in many areas of Nigeria and other places in the 3rd world. As women become more educated they choose to have smaller families. Women whose mothers hoped to have 10 children, now to not want more than 4. When asked why, their answer is because that is all they can afford to educate.

When many children are lost in childhood, it is reasonable that folks have more than they expect will live. That was true in the west until fairly recently.

Africa has major problems of many kinds. The amount of disease there cuts into the productivity of the people (when an average worker is out sick 2-3 months of every year, it is had to run a factory. Disease, warfare (much of it due to country boundaries that do not respect the tribal aspect and famine, (often related to the warfare problem) and the disease problem, plus the fact that Europeans attempted to have folks farm in areas where grazing is more reasonable

 

[Mick West]

The birthrate is going down in many areas of Nigeria and other places in the 3rd world. As women become more educated they choose to have smaller families. Women whose mothers hoped to have 10 children, now to not want more than 4. When asked why, their answer is because that is all they can afford to educate.

No thanks to pop.org president Steve W. Mosher
http://www.pop.org/content/case-nigeria-818

The report went on to note that the Nigerians are a religious people and that most object to Western birth control methods on moral grounds. In fact, a pair of World Bank consultants were cited in the report to the effect that opposition to Western birth control programs spanned the religious spectrum: “[P]oliticians, civil servants, and political activists all feel that the programs may run counter to the basic spiritual beliefs and emotions of African society.”Another section warned that political currents were equally unfavorable to an ambitious anti-natal program: “The political furor surrounding censuses in Nigeria reflect some of the political obstacles to family planning. Political groups, regions, and ethnic groups and religions vying for position all want to be numerous.”
Past efforts to enlist African governments and leaders into promoting population control among their own people failed, the report said bluntly, because those embracing such activities in the past “have repeatedly been attacked on the grounds that population programs are a form of foreign intervention and that they are imperialist, neo-colonialist plots to keep Africa down.” For this reason, “African governments have given either no leadership or uncertain leadership to family planning programs.”

None of this really mattered to the elitists gathered around the table. The “spiritual beliefs and emotions” of the Nigerian people they regarded as mere superstition, the desire for large families as a false consciousness, and the unwillingness of African leaders to lead an anti-natal campaign as mere political cowardice. These considerations would affect their tactics, but not their overall strategy. The US government had determined that Nigeria’s population was growing too rapidly. For a whole host of reasons ranging from U.S. national security (remember Nigeria’s oil) to improving the health of Nigeria’s women (women who have been sterilized do not die in childbirth), Nigerians had to stop having babies in such numbers. State Department officials were determined to seize the opportunity presented by Nigeria’s economic slowdown to force the country’s leaders to adopt a Western-dictated population policy.

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Interesting that despite him insisting that population is about to decline naturally soon - he's totally opposed to any suggestion that Nigerians have fewer children.

 

[Mick West]

Steven W. Mosher is the president of PRI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_W._Mosher

Steven W. Mosher is a social scientist and writer who publishes books and essays on matters dealing with China and population control. He speaks both Mandarin and Cantonese. He is the president of Virginia-based Population Research Institute, a pro-life organization that argues that overpopulation is a myth. The Institute has connections to Human Life International (both of which were started by Father Paul Marx). Mosher is father to nine children[1]​ and author of numerous non-fiction books such as "Broken Earth: The Rural Chinese" (1983), A Mother's Ordeal, and Hegemon.

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Paul Marx was the founder of PRI, Mosher co-wrote this obituary:
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=35962

Fr. Paul Marx, OSB, Founder and long-time Chairman of Population Research Institute (PRI), was a pioneer in the worldwide pro-life movement. He was a man of God but also a man of action in the mold of St. Paul, his name saint.

He understood the dangers posed by abortion, euthanasia, and contraception as well as the organizations that promoted these evils. He foresaw the Demographic Winter that the agents of Population Control have now brought about.

He knew the mortal harm that birth control would cause everywhere, including its effect on the loss of faith of Catholics and on the Catholic Church itself. And he organized a worldwide movement to meet these threats to life and family head on and defeat them.
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Like a pro-life Johnny Appleseed, Father Marx planted pro-life organizations wherever he went. He founded Population Research Institute (PRI) in the U.S., Family Life International in the U.K., Family Life International in New Zealand, Family Life International in Australia, and literally dozens of other groups around the world.

This network of organizations, under his direction, and with the help of generous donors and under God´s grace, grew to be the greatest pro-life organization in the World. The effectiveness of Fr. Marx and his organizations caused the International Planned Parenthood Federation to label him "Public Enemy Number One."

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[Mick West]

The suggested climate change link to eugenics is discussed here:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/547-Anthropogenic-global-warming-Eugenics-version-2-0

 

[Clock]

Mick, what do you think about this? I found it while surfing OverpopulationIsAMyth yesterday.

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To me, it seems pretty accurate, but what about you?

 

[Mick West]

Mick, what do you think about this? I found it while surfing OverpopulationIsAMyth yesterday.

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To me, it seems pretty accurate, but what about you?

It's meaningless. It's just one estimate of future population trends. The total number is not the issue. It ignores the most important regional issues.

Overpopulation is a regional issue.

Also a very large reason why their graph tends downwards is because of China's policies, which they are adamantly opposed to.

It's like they are saying: "look everything is okay, we don't need to kill babies in Nigeria because China is killing their babies".

Remember this is all about abortion.

 

[jvnk08]

Here is a pretty neat tool for exploring population trends:

http://www.gapminder.org/world/

You can clearly see a correlation between smaller family sizes and life expectancy/standard of living.

 

[Cairenn]

The Sep of 2011 National Geographic had an interesting article "Girl Power in Brazil', that mentioned how the birth rate there has dropped without any government interference and in spite of it being a Catholic country.

 

[DontBeAfraidEVER]

This video should be seen by everyone, eventhough if they dont buy in to overpopulation ^^

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[Jay_Bee]

All of this is value laden and raises the question of who is deciding what 'the real problem' is, and what are they basing their conclusion on? In my book, if the population is near or above the carrying capacity, then population itself is a real biophysical problem. Given things like the rate of soil loss, the depletion of phosphorous deposits, salinization of soils from irrigation, and the dependence on very large amounts of energy to fix nitrogen -- we should not assume that we can support a massive population indefinitely.