Debunked: Dr. Stanley Monteith's claims about Jeff Bauman's injuries

[Tobes]

http://fauxcapitalist.com/2013/05/1...s-i-believe-that-this-young-man-was-an-actor/


I think this can be blown out of the water quite easily.
Monteith had never examined Bauman in person. He gave his diagnosis after examining photos and videos.
No competent doctor would give any sort of diagnosis without actually examining the patient in person.

Admin Update:

The primary claim made was that the "amputations" were below the knee, but later photos show Bauman's legs amputated above the knee. This has been debunked by multiple accounts that explain that after the initial below knee trauma (the effects of the explosion seen in the icon photo), there was an initial at-knee amputation, then finally an above knee amputation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/08/sports/beyond-the-finish-line.html?_r=0

An iconic sporting event had turned into a scene of chilling devastation, and a photograph of Bauman in the aftermath, his legs gruesomely lost, later became a searing symbol of the attacks.

The day of the bombings, Bauman had had an emergency, through-knee amputation that lasted about two hours. A surgeon had sifted through layers of skin, tissue and muscle, preserving what was healthy, cutting what was dirty and sick. He had removed what was left of Bauman's lower legs at the knee joints.

Two days later, Kalish had performed a formal amputation at about four inches above the knee. He had measured the legs and cut each layer — skin, tissue, muscle and bone — farther up in the thigh, like a staircase. Then he washed out the legs for 10 minutes, tucked the muscle, and stitched the tissue.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stop-attackers-seeing-blast-claimed-legs.html

On the day of the bombings, he underwent an emergency amputation to remove his legs at the knees, and two days later, flesh was amputated until four inches above the knees.

 

[deirdre]

Do you have the pictures this Monteith is talking about?

 

[Tobes]

Do you have the pictures this Monteith is talking about?

No, but does it really matter? One cannot make a diagnosis from photos.

 

[Pete Tar]

Were they just the ones that were circulating at the time directly after, or close-up photos taken at the operation or something like that?

But yeah, that is true, generally. Unless they were different photos to what everyone is familiar with.

 

[deirdre]

No, but does it really matter? One cannot make a diagnosis from photos.

I agree. but its hard to debunk in full if we don't know what this guy is talking about. (which I don't)

Bauman got that 'death look' makeup on pretty fast too for the wheelchair pics.

 

[Pete Tar]

And basically, I know that they're lying to us because of a picture that I saw on that very first day. It was a devastating picture. It was a fellow that had both legs blown off. A young man sitting in a wheelchair, being wheeled, certainly by a gentleman — a cowboy figure — who had a cowboy hat on and he was actually holding a tourniquet on the left leg, which was a below knee amputation, and there below, certainly, the stump of the below knee amputation, was the tibia — a bloody tibia — sitting and certainly, but the interesting thing is why the tourniquet wasn't applied.

The tourniquet was just sort of underneath the leg, holding it up, it wasn't stopping any flow of blood because there wasn't hardly flow of blood on that side. It looked like there was some blood on the right leg which was taken off above the knee. But why would they take somebody who had just had both legs blown off and put him into a wheelchair? He would've been in profound shock. And why weren't the tourniquets on both legs, certainly clamping off the blood supply? And when I saw that, I knew something was wrong.
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"Grandpa Liberty", Dr. Stan Monteith, a 50-year veteran researcher of alternative information suppressed by the mass media, a radio broadcaster since 1993, and a 35-year orthopedic surgeon who has performed many leg amputations...

So yeah, not special pictures just the iconic one.

 

[Soulfly]

The tourniquet was just sort of underneath the leg, holding it up, it wasn't stopping any flow of blood because there wasn't hardly flow of blood on that side. It looked like there was some blood on the right leg which was taken off above the knee. But why would they take somebody who had just had both legs blown off and put him into a wheelchair? He would've been in profound shock. And why weren't the tourniquets on both legs, certainly clamping off the blood supply? And when I saw that, I knew something was wrong.

So yeah, not special pictures just the iconic one.

My guess is there was little blood flow because the "cowboy figure" had the sense to use his fingers to pinch off the artery. Which you can see in the photo.

 

[deirdre]

And basically, I know that they're lying to us because of a picture that I saw on that very first day. It was a devastating picture. It was a fellow that had both legs blown off. A young man sitting in a wheelchair, being wheeled, certainly by a gentleman — a cowboy figure — who had a cowboy hat on and he was actually holding a tourniquet on the left leg, which was a below knee amputation, and there below, certainly, the stump of the below knee amputation, was the tibia — a bloody tibia — sitting and certainly, but the interesting thing is why the tourniquet wasn't applied.

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so there are pics of his amputations at the hospital too? he seems to imply seeing them.

 

[Pete Tar]

Oh I missed that, but he does say he knew because of that picture.

 

[Pete Tar]

And you can see pictures of him — he's waving a flag, and he has two above knee amputations. Above knee amputations. Now wait a minute, the Jeff Bauman we saw initially had a below knee amputation and this is an above knee amputation.

I puzzled over that. How could that be, until I talked to a gentleman named Jim Fetzer who will be a guest in our programs and we said he was wearing a prosthesis, they put a prosthesis on him. There are even pictures where the prosthesis accidentally fell off, so they put the prosthesis on to give you the idea that it was a fresh amputation — it wasn't, it was all contrived.

Look at the pictures, ladies and gentlemen — ask yourself, how could he have possibly have had a BK amputation in the initial pictures and now he has two AK amputations? We're being lied to at every turn."

This picture?

Found this detail...

On the day of the bombings, he underwent an emergency amputation to remove his legs at the knees, and two days later, flesh was amputated until four inches above the knees.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stop-attackers-seeing-blast-claimed-legs.html


Anyway, pretty ridiculous and offensive.

 

[Sean]

http://fauxcapitalist.com/2013/05/1...s-i-believe-that-this-young-man-was-an-actor/


I think this can be blown out of the water quite easily.
Monteith had never examined Bauman in person. He gave his diagnosis after examining photos and videos.
No competent doctor would give any sort of diagnosis without actually examining the patient in person.

Doctors can diagnose skin problems from Selfies. Can't speak to how competent these doctors are.
http://time.com/7429/dermatologists-can-diagnose-selfies-sent-from-your-smartphone/

 

[Mick West]

And you can see pictures of him — he's waving a flag, and he has two above knee amputations. Above knee amputations. Now wait a minute, the Jeff Bauman we saw initially had a below knee amputation and this is an above knee amputation.

I puzzled over that. How could that be, until I talked to a gentleman named Jim Fetzer who will be a guest in our programs and we said he was wearing a prosthesis, they put a prosthesis on him. There are even pictures where the prosthesis accidentally fell off, so they put the prosthesis on to give you the idea that it was a fresh amputation — it wasn't, it was all contrived.

Look at the pictures, ladies and gentlemen — ask yourself, how could he have possibly have had a BK amputation in the initial pictures and now he has two AK amputations? We're being lied to at every turn."

This picture?

Found this detail...

On the day of the bombings, he underwent an emergency amputation to remove his legs at the knees, and two days later, flesh was amputated until four inches above the knees.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stop-attackers-seeing-blast-claimed-legs.html

And that detail is really all that is needed to debunk the entire thing. I've updated the OP with it, and another similar account from the NYT, and marked the tread debunked.

If someone feels there's another claim there that needs debunking, then please start a new thread.

 

[Pete Tar]

It should be noted this claim was from last year and not a new one.